Texas Covid cases going down after relaxing mask law coupled with multiple factors

[Phil C. McNasty]

Which turns out to be very little if any?

Only in your warped imagination

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Here's an interesting article it may answer some questions.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article250730594.html
It says that" A mix of vaccinations, continued mask wearing, people already having immunity and the weather warming up has slowed down the spread, said Diana Cervantes, a professor of biostatistics and epidemiology at UNT Health Science Center."
And
"Cervantes believes, in general, most people have taken the virus seriously and not ditched safety measures. If anything, lifting the mask mandate made people want to be safer. On March 10, people didn’t immediately take off the masks and go back to pre-pandemic times, Cervantes said. Most large businesses like Walmart, Target, Kroger, HEB and others are still requiring mask and other coronavirus protocols. The UT Southwestern model is heavily dependent on how well people keep masking and following other protocols."
Also
" Macy Moore, co-owner of HopFusion Ale Works in the Near Southside, previously told the Star-Telegram that he planned to enforce face coverings at his business. But now, he isn’t doing so to avoid altercations with customers. But still, Moore said 80% of his customers come in wearing masks. Most of his employees are vaccinated and they are required to wear masks."
" Tarrant County and the city of Fort Worth have required masks in their buildings. Whitley believes people have grown accustomed to wearing masks and are making the right choice not only for themselves but for others."
" Nora Palomino, manager of Los Zarapes restaurant in north Fort Worth, has continued to require masks. She has lost some regulars, but at least half of the customers who come in are already wearing masks, she said. Those who don’t are provided with masks."

I dont know if you've followed any of my other threads, but my position has always been that regular medical masks which most people are currently wearing arent making any difference. Wearing of N95 masks is whats needed.

And now we have a Toronto Star article posted yesterday that appears to corroborate what I've been saying all along.
Have a look: https://outline.com/MBK2Bg

I quote the relevant parts:

Canadian study of surgical masks is needlessly putting health-care workers at risk of catching COVID-19, complaint alleges

Signed by 17 Canadian and international researchers, physicians and academics, the complaint letter says the “weight of historic and contemporary evidence” points to surgical masks as providing “little to no protection from inhalation of small infectious particles...The results of such a study are indefensible.”

While transmission theories initially focused on respiratory “droplets” that spread to people and surfaces through things like coughing or sneezing, growing research has found strong evidence for tiny aerosols that can travel on air currents for hours. That increasingly accepted airborne transmission theory has been linked to a call for N95 respirators for health-care workers.

For routine patient care that doesn’t involve close contact, most nurses in Canada continue to wear surgical masks, he said. For so-called “aerosol-generating” procedures, such as intubating a patient, N95 masks are common to account for the higher risks, he said.

Nurses in Ontario commonly wear N95 masks during routine patient care since the province gave them an option last October.

So in other words, if you work in a hospital and you are not in close contact with infected patients a surgical mask is fine.
However, if you ARE in close contact with infected patients N95 masks are a must

 

[NotADcotor]

I dont know if you've followed any of my other threads, but my position has always been that regular medical masks which most people are currently wearing arent making any difference. Wearing of N95 masks is whats needed.

...

So in other words, if you work in a hospital and you are not in close contact with infected patients a surgical mask is fine.
However, if you ARE in close contact with infected patients N95 masks are a must

So regular masks don't work and they also work fine.
Smooth.
You remind me of a Jebus cultist who was a bible literalist who believed that Judas both hung himself after giving away the 30 pieces of silver and also bought a field with that silver and fell headlong killing himself and that this wasn't a contradiction.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So regular masks don't work and they also work fine.
Smooth

Surgical masks are better at reducing the spread of bacteria. Thats because bacteria are larger in microns.
Thats what I meant with wearing a surgical mask is fine (meaning you will still have some protection from bacteria).

Viral particles however will go right through a mask, and right around a surgical mask.
This is why N95 masks are needed (just as the study in Toronto Star article suggests)

 

[shack]

Surgical masks are better at reducing the spread of bacteria. Thats because bacteria are larger in microns.
Thats what I meant with wearing a surgical mask is fine (meaning you will still have some protection from bacteria).

But when you were in Mancini mode you told us 1,000 times that masks, aside from N95, are useless. That was a blanket statement no qualifiers. But now that you've clearly contradicted yourself, you will go for the qualifiers. I can't wait to see them.

If they provide even some protection, you are clearly stating that they are NOT useless.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

But when you were in Mancini mode you told us 1,000 times that masks, aside from N95, are useless. That was a blanket statement no qualifiers. But now that you've clearly contradicted yourself, you will go for the qualifiers. I can't wait to see them.

If they provide even some protection, you are clearly stating that they are NOT useless

Look up one post, genius

 

[NotADcotor]

Surgical masks are better at reducing the spread of bacteria. Thats because bacteria are larger in microns.
Thats what I meant with wearing a surgical mask is fine (meaning you will still have some protection from bacteria).

Viral particles however will go right through a mask, and right around a surgical mask.
This is why N95 masks are needed (just as the study in Toronto Star article suggests)

FFS.
First of all the Star article was talking about hospital use where intubating patients will aerosolize the virus of really fucked up patients and being surrounded by such patients for 8 hours shifts. It wasn't referring to normal people going about their day.
If you carefully read the article instead of skimming it looking for talking points you might have realized that.
Also Covid travels normally on droplets which are bigger than the coronavirus so your image is misleading to the point of being a lie



Also we are not talking about bacteria in this thread, nor did you mention bacteria in your other post. I figure you were called out and just changed story. Maybe you have a future writing for DC comics aka Disregard Continuity. I also find it beyond weird that you say you need N95 masks for covid but suggest normal masks are fine for people in hospitals because they are good enough for bacteria... You know there is Covid going around right? So I need to wear an N95 mask but some nurse in a hospital that doesn't deal directly with covid patients doesn't.

You have had your errors constantly pointed out and you have been continuously debunked. I am not sure if you really are that dense, if you have some vested interest in people wearing N95 masks or nothing or if you are just trolling.

 

[Captain Bly]

My vote goes to dense

 

[basketcase]

I admitted no such thing

So why have you avoided discussing, despite what you started this thread about, that the big decrease happened weeks before the mask mandate ended?

 

[basketcase]

Thank you for admitting that I'm close to being right. I was of course referring to stores, small businesses, banks, malls.....etc.
Absolutely nobody would know for sure how many people wear masks in less public places.
...

Right. And I'm sure you think that covid can only be transmitted in stores and not non-public workplaces.

 

[basketcase]

I dont know if you've followed any of my other threads, but my position has always been that regular medical masks which most people are currently wearing arent making any difference. Wearing of N95 masks is whats needed.
...

Despite not being aware that N95 masks need to be fitted properly to get optimum protection.

You also never proposed a plan to get men to shave daily so the masks would fit properly when there is still a proportion of people who refuse to wear any mask.

 

[basketcase]

....

Seems no matter how many times you try this bullshit and get called on it, you're still not afraid to step up to bat again.

There is no evidence of transmission from free-floating viral particles. The transmission is from respiratory droplets and aerosols, the smallest of which are in the 5 um range.

 

[shack]

Seems no matter how many times you try this bullshit and get called on it, you're still not afraid to step up to bat again.

There is no evidence of transmission from free-floating viral particles. The transmission is from respiratory droplets and aerosols, the smallest of which are in the 5 um range....

...and surgical masks filter down to 1um.

Phil needs to be reminded.

 

[basketcase]

...and surgical masks filter down to 1um.

Phil needs to be reminded.

He knows. Unfortunately knowledge is only half the battle.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

FFS.
First of all the Star article was talking about hospital use where intubating patients will aerosolize the virus of really fucked up patients and being surrounded by such patients for 8 hours shifts. It wasn't referring to normal people going about their day

If you're sitting on a streetcar or bus with 1 or 2 infected people besides you thats just as bad because it doesnt take much for a person to get infected. This virus is airborne and highly contagious. The point of the study was surgical masks dont offer any protection. Only N95 masks do

If you carefully read the article instead of skimming it looking for talking points you might have realized that.
Also Covid travels normally on droplets which are bigger than the coronavirus so your image is misleading to the point of being a lie

As I've pointed out in other posts Covid-19 is airborne through free particles as well. Those can infect you just as quick as larger droplets, if not quicker (thats because large droplets fall to the ground, while free particles will float in the air for many hours)

Also we are not talking about bacteria in this thread, nor did you mention bacteria in your other post. I figure you were called out and just changed story. Maybe you have a future writing for DC comics aka Disregard Continuity. I also find it beyond weird that you say you need N95 masks for covid but suggest normal masks are fine for people in hospitals because they are good enough for bacteria... You know there is Covid going around right? So I need to wear an N95 mask but some nurse in a hospital that doesn't deal directly with covid patients doesn't

I've talked about bacteria versus viral particles many times in other threads.
Maybe you're new around here and didnt see my previous posts:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/post-6972818

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/page-41#post-6942171

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/new-faster-spreading-strain-of-covid-19.733631/post-6930323

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/post-6895991

You have had your errors constantly pointed out and you have been continuously debunked. I am not sure if you really are that dense, if you have some vested interest in people wearing N95 masks or nothing or if you are just trolling

Not true, I have backed up all my arguments with facts, studies and links.
Dont try to play the troll-card when you are starting lose the debate, its a bad look on you

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So why have you avoided discussing, despite what you started this thread about, that the big decrease happened weeks before the mask mandate ended?

Because its irrelevant. The only timeframe that matters is from March 10th till now
(or if you wanna get technical March 12th till now since the incubation period can start within 2 days in some people)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Right. And I'm sure you think that covid can only be transmitted in stores and not non-public workplaces

I never said such a thing. Now you're hallucinating

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Despite not being aware that N95 masks need to be fitted properly to get optimum protection.

You also never proposed a plan to get men to shave daily so the masks would fit properly when there is still a proportion of people who refuse to wear any mask

This is just a dumb response. But we're used to that from you.
Do you now wanna argue only men with beards can spread Covid because they dont shave properly??

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There is no evidence of transmission from free-floating viral particles

Liar!!

COVID-19 Spread by Droplets? Free Particles? Or 'A Little Bit of Both'?

Setting plays key role in transmission dynamics, expert says

www.medpagetoday.com

Here's more proof you are wrong: https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/07/can-the-coronavirus-spread-through-the-air/

However, a growing body of research shows that airborne transmission of the virus through aerosols—microscopic respiratory droplets 5 μm or smaller in size—is possible and should not be ruled out.

Once the aerosols are airborne, the water in the tiny droplets quickly evaporates, leaving even smaller virus particles that can float in the air for an extended period of time. One study showed that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, can remain viable in aerosolized form for three hours, while another found that the virus could live up to 16 hours in the air in certain indoor conditions

So you see, the water that the viral particles are suspended in evaporates and leaves you with free floating Covid particles

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

...and surgical masks filter down to 1um.

Phil needs to be reminded.

Not true. Most masks cant even stop vaping smoke.

And what about the 4 large gaps that a surgical masks has??
The top, the bottom, and the 2 sides??
Can air not escape from there??
And where do you think that infected air goes to??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1312810470449979392