2020-21 Maple Leafs Thread

gcostanza

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Medical report:

Auston Matthews at practice
Andersen/Woll/Hutchinson on ice
Campbell in full uniform, on bench
No William Nylander

Wayne Simmonds should return in 7-10 days
 

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I'm not sure about other teams but it seems like the Leafs have had a constant rotation of guys being injured to varying degrees. And it's hardly ever just one or two guys. It doesn't seem to have slowed them down much and whatever combination of players takes the ice has had success. In that respect one has to credit the work of both Dubas and Keefe (so far).
 

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He needs to take some rest, he’s not used to working hard. I was wondering why that play of him back checking lingered in my mind even hours later, then I realized it’s because it was such a rare scene. History is repeating itself, the last time he got benched, he went on a tear for about 6-7 games and then slowly reverted back to his usual style of play. Will see how long the benching effect lasts this time.

Sorry Nylander lovers, I couldn’t help myself either, 😂
 

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Auston Matthews & Freddie Andersen are both scheduled to be in the Maple Leafs lineup tonight.
 
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Would you trade Matthews for McDavid. Conor would probably love it but Auston would be miserable. He likes his Mexican eats, not enough of that in Edmonton.

 

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Well thanks... It's not going to happen now. :rolleyes:
Well, lookie here. Andersen in. That's step 1.
It would make it more interesting if Edmonton also played their third goalie.
 

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I know many people think +/- is crap.
It's not advanced stats but I think with a large enough sample size and under some context it gives a good indication of who some of the more effective players are at even strength.
Marner +18
Hyman +12
Matthews +10
Brodie +10
Muzzin +9

Last is Vesey -4

McD is +3
Draisaltl is +13
Plus/minus can useful but it can explained easily if it's good or bad, it can be misleading...such as Hyman having a higher rating than Connor McDavid.

If only there was a stat to show who works hard and who is lazy...you need an observational evaluation for that.
 

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Plus/minus can useful but it can explained easily if it's good or bad, it can be misleading...such as Hyman having a higher rating than Connor McDavid.

If only there was a stat to show who works hard and who is lazy...you need an observational evaluation for that.
I'm not a huge fan of +/-, comparing players from Team A to players with Team B.
Players on stronger teams are more likely to have a better +/- than on lesser clubs.
Comparing +/- between teammates can be interesting, but you have to factor in strength of competition.
Which opponents does Player A spend most of his time on the ice vs., and Player B faces who?

There are statistics that show possession numbers for individual players. 'CORSI For'
As in, when Player A is on the ice, his club possesses the puck 54% of the time, Player B, 49%.
Generally speaking, when your team possesses the puck more, you're more likely to score than the opposition.
Example:
AM34, his CORSI For % at even strength is 50.8%, (anything above 50% is good,) career is 52.5%
CM97, his CORSI For % at even strength is 55.5%, career is 52.1%
JV26, his CORSI For % at even strength is 46.7%, career is 46.2%
TE63, his CORSI For % at even strength is 43.6%, career is 46.1%

There are other statistics as well that can show expected goals for/expected goals against.

The eyeball test has value, but so do statistics.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of +/-, comparing players from Team A to players with Team B.
Players on stronger teams are more likely to have a better +/- than on lesser clubs.
Comparing +/- between teammates can be interesting, but you have to factor in strength of competition.
Which opponents does Player A spend most of his time on the ice vs., and Player B faces who?

There are statistics that show possession numbers for individual players. 'CORSI For'
As in, when Player A is on the ice, his club possesses the puck 54% of the time, Player B, 49%.
Generally speaking, when your team possesses the puck more, you're more likely to score than the opposition.
Example:
AM34, his CORSI For % at even strength is 50.8%, (anything above 50% is good,) career is 52.5%
CM97, his CORSI For % at even strength is 55.5%, career is 52.1%
JV26, his CORSI For % at even strength is 46.7%, career is 46.2%
TE63, his CORSI For % at even strength is 43.6%, career is 46.1%

There are other statistics as well that can show expected goals for/expected goals against.

The eyeball test has value, but so do statistics.
I'm aware of CORSI... but again if relies on players you play with and doesn't take into account who you play against...
 

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I don't know what you're trying to say...
I rephrsed the question and made it into a statement.
+/- is not advanced stat.
Provides a high level view with very minimal to no context.
Context being those that are built into advanced stats.
Quality of line mates, quality of opponents, zone starts, and the like is context.
 
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I don't know what you're trying to say...
A larger sample size minimizes how much external variables will affect the individual's stats, the numbers will find a medium. If he plays a short stretch, the player is in a slump, his line isn't clicking, they've played a string of top teams, it will skew the numbers super negatively and not reflect the long term overall performance of the player.
 
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