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That might be true if it were true. But no one here is defending the other action so it is a false equivalence.
They're actions are defended every day, through inaction. The silence and lack of protest when one side errs is blatant defense of those actions.

It's not going unnoticed.
 

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It being on paper is no less just a thought. a thought you can see, but a thought none the less.... unless ABC's scare you.
One can think "I'm going to kill so and so". But if one says to that so and so "I'm going to kill you", that is a threat and criminal. It's the same thought, but by making it known to others it results in a different outcome.
 
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Far-left activists have been going after Carano for months ever since they learned that she did not conform to their worldview and was perhaps a supporter of Donald Trump.

We say “perhaps” because it’s not like she’s even all that vocal about it and has been pretty vague in her remarks.

There’s a term for the campaign to fire Carano: Intolerance. And it’s unacceptable. This is happening way too frequently.

These immature activists need to realize that it’s a big world out there and you’re occasionally going to cross paths with people who don’t share your views.

It stands to reason that if almost half of the American electorate voted for Trump, then in every workplace — including the entertainment world — there’s going to be Trump supporters.

The childish mob who called for Carano’s firing need to grow up and realize that when they’re in line at the grocery store, walking in the park, or sitting in a cafe there will be people around them who don’t share their views.

This is the real Gina Carano problem — and the problem is with the mob, not her.

 
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The persecution of Gina Carano.

Her sacking perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy and intolerance of the woke elites.

It’s official: only liberals are allowed to talk shit about the Holocaust. That’s the take-home message of the Gina Carano scandal. For here we have a right-wing woman being shamed and sacked for doing what luvvies and leftish types have been doing for years: comparing the early 21st century to Nazi Germany.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was at it just a few weeks ago. He spoke about the Capitol riot in the same breath as Kristallnacht, the anti-Jewish pogrom of 1938 which led to the deaths of almost 100 Jews and the internment in concentration camps of 30,000 more and which is widely considered to be the starting point of the Holocaust. Was Schwarzenegger harried, condemned and sacked from everything for his hysterical comparison of a stupid riot with the start of the greatest crime in history? No, he was idolised.

Guardianistas gushed over him. Every social influencer in Christendom shared his mad Kristallnacht video and said ‘Go Arnie!’. Carano, by contrast, was hounded by the Twittermob, called a disgusting anti-Semite, and eventually relieved of her acting work by Disney, who branded her comments ‘abhorrent’.

Schwarzenegger’s Holocaust Relativism was arguably more egregious than Carano’s. Hers was at least a little vague. He marshalled a specific event, one of the darkest in human history, and used it to make a showy, viral political point in the here and now. And yet he became the man of the hour while Carano is a witch who must be burned.

It gets worse. Another star of The Mandalorian itself has engaged in Holocaust Relativism and received no rebuke from Disney. Pedro Pascal, a couple of years ago, shared a grotesque meme comparing America’s imprisonment of illegal immigrants with the incarceration of Jews in death camps. Carano’s comment pales into insignificance in comparison with Pascal’s witless diminishment of the horrors of the death camps, his use of the Nazis’ factories of death to score brownie points with Trump-hating social-media users. And yet she is ‘abhorrent’ and sacked, while he carries on taking the Disney dollar.

 

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The persecution of Gina Carano.

Her sacking perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy and intolerance of the woke elites.

It’s official: only liberals are allowed to talk shit about the Holocaust. That’s the take-home message of the Gina Carano scandal. For here we have a right-wing woman being shamed and sacked for doing what luvvies and leftish types have been doing for years: comparing the early 21st century to Nazi Germany.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was at it just a few weeks ago. He spoke about the Capitol riot in the same breath as Kristallnacht, the anti-Jewish pogrom of 1938 which led to the deaths of almost 100 Jews and the internment in concentration camps of 30,000 more and which is widely considered to be the starting point of the Holocaust. Was Schwarzenegger harried, condemned and sacked from everything for his hysterical comparison of a stupid riot with the start of the greatest crime in history? No, he was idolised.

Guardianistas gushed over him. Every social influencer in Christendom shared his mad Kristallnacht video and said ‘Go Arnie!’. Carano, by contrast, was hounded by the Twittermob, called a disgusting anti-Semite, and eventually relieved of her acting work by Disney, who branded her comments ‘abhorrent’.

Schwarzenegger’s Holocaust Relativism was arguably more egregious than Carano’s. Hers was at least a little vague. He marshalled a specific event, one of the darkest in human history, and used it to make a showy, viral political point in the here and now. And yet he became the man of the hour while Carano is a witch who must be burned.

It gets worse. Another star of The Mandalorian itself has engaged in Holocaust Relativism and received no rebuke from Disney. Pedro Pascal, a couple of years ago, shared a grotesque meme comparing America’s imprisonment of illegal immigrants with the incarceration of Jews in death camps. Carano’s comment pales into insignificance in comparison with Pascal’s witless diminishment of the horrors of the death camps, his use of the Nazis’ factories of death to score brownie points with Trump-hating social-media users. And yet she is ‘abhorrent’ and sacked, while he carries on taking the Disney dollar.

''Guardianistas''.......LOL.......Priceless!!
 

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Far-left activists have been going after Carano for months ever since they learned that she did not conform to their worldview and was perhaps a supporter of Donald Trump.

We say “perhaps” because it’s not like she’s even all that vocal about it and has been pretty vague in her remarks.

There’s a term for the campaign to fire Carano: Intolerance. And it’s unacceptable. This is happening way too frequently.

These immature activists need to realize that it’s a big world out there and you’re occasionally going to cross paths with people who don’t share your views.

It stands to reason that if almost half of the American electorate voted for Trump, then in every workplace — including the entertainment world — there’s going to be Trump supporters.

The childish mob who called for Carano’s firing need to grow up and realize that when they’re in line at the grocery store, walking in the park, or sitting in a cafe there will be people around them who don’t share their views.

This is the real Gina Carano problem — and the problem is with the mob, not her.

There is a difference between something being "unacceptable" or "intolerant" and illegal. Her employer has the sole discretion and right to fire her if she breached her contract. It's got nothing to do with you, the angry mob, Donald Trump, etc. If Disney acted illegally (or even legally) she can always sue them. They do it all the time in 'Merica.

If we remove the employer's right to fire people because the public doesn't like it then there would be no reason to have employment contracts. All companies would turn into union shops where you can't be fired for anything.
 

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If we remove the employer's right to fire people because the public doesn't like it then there would be no reason to have employment contracts. All companies would turn into union shops where you can't be fired for anything.
I will agree with you on this one. Employers have a right to fire or let an employee go.

Can Disney let anyone go? Yes! Absolutely!

The issue is: if it is a company's policy to fire someone for making political statements on social media or to fire someone who uses nazi comparisons - then they should at least be consistent and fire all offenders, but that's not what happened.

This is a long thread. It'll be even longer if we have to start posting same links twice. There's plenty of articles above that show hypocrisy of Disney and society in general.
 

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I will agree with you on this one. Employers have a right to fire or let an employee go.

Can Disney let anyone go? Yes! Absolutely!

The issue is: if it is a company's policy to fire someone for making political statements on social media or to fire someone who uses nazi comparisons - then they should at least be consistent and fire all offenders, but that's not what happened.

This is a long thread. It'll be even longer if we have to start posting same links twice. There's plenty of articles above that show hypocrisy of Disney and society in general.
This is the problem of all threads on here. We don't know what Disney's or the talent agency's policies, the reasons for firing her (the private statement to her and not the press statement), the reasons for not firing other people, what is contained in their contracts or if they are inconsistent in applying them. That is inside information that we will never know. Unless she reveals that information and that would land her in further legal trouble, then the points you've brought up are pure speculation. There's no way we can make any conclusions or debate with so little information. All that we know with total certainty is that she was terminated.

It really shouldn't surprise you that Disney and society is hypocritical. All people including you have always been that way.
 
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so then.... what did she say that was akin to that?


you do realize that what a call to action is or a threat is right?

the difference in what she said and what you said is that one is a statement of intent, while the other is an opinion... a thought.

forgive me for thinking that your take on the matter is a bit clouded and heavily biased.
I was debating about the difference between a thought in someone's mind and that person airing that thought in some manner. By doing so, it is no longer a case of getting into trouble with the thought police and I used the "I will kill so and so" as an example of the difference between thinking it and stating it.

I was not debating the specifics of her case in particular. I know next to nothing about her and have no bias regarding her case other than once she voices her thoughts or opinions to the public she is opening herself to potential fallout.
 

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this whole "their employer has the right to."

thats a load of bullshit because then an employer can say "no woman, no blacks, no jews" and you would have to simply say "they got that right."

Unless its in her contract that she also cant have right wing views, how come there is no line saying no left wing views.... i understand that the reality is that they have a line that says "we hold the right to terminate if you are damaging our brand." but then you have to step back and ask.... why is speaking the truth damaging your brand? this isn't a Disney issue, its a society at large issue.
How is this bullshit? An employer can terminate you if you breached your contract and / or company policies assuming that they are valid and legal documents. It's almost always spelled out exactly how that happens in your contract or employee policies. You might want to look at your own.

A contract cannot say "no women, blacks, conservative, liberal, Jewish, Muslims, etc." because that is discrimination and would surely make it illegal. The legality of her contract and polices would depend on the relevant state and federal laws and if they apply to Careno. It could be that she is considered a contractor and has effectively no protection at all. If she chose to sign a contract like that (assuming it was legal), then she chose to accept the consequences.

You can't play the victim when you willingly give away your rights.
 

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hmmmm no, it has absolutely everything to do with the mob.


disney could give less of a shit if we still had slavery... so long as it turned a profit (seing as walt himself was a massive racist)

they do not care about politics, they care about public perception.... and that angry mob is what they are trying to please.
Do you have the termination letter so we can see what their stated reasons for firing her? If you can prove that firing her was illegal then we can have an actual debate. Every other random post you can dig up online is pure speculation. Facts don't care about your feelings.

All organizations be they for profit or non-profit need to care about making money at the end of the day. Maybe your company spent time and money getting those "Best Places to Work" awards, but they still have to be profitable or they go bankrupt and you lose your job. That's the cold reality of capitalism.
 

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yet discrimination based on political leaning is okay? not even extreme political leaning... just being conservative?
Yet we don't have any concrete proof that political discrimination happened. Since we don't have proof and she's not likely going to release it then we can't conclude anything. Again, if she felt that she was wrongfully terminated then she should be able to sue.
 
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Yes, she is a victim and was totally canned just for being a right wing nut, noooot at all because of her holocaust statement.


ohh no... people reaaally care about feeligns too much.

its impossible for a document to say it will fire you fore leaning left or right.... thats actually illegal in the US.


whats not illegal like the most basic thing in any contract is the right to protect ones brand. this means that a company can terminate someone if they find them to be potentially damaging.

i dont know why you saying that facts dont care about feelings... because im not the one who had his fee fees hurt when a strong woman spoke the truth on the internet.

truth be told i dont even know what you are actually aluding to right now tho... so maybe some clarification would be good for both of us.
 

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ohh no... people reaaally care about feeligns too much.

its impossible for a document to say it will fire you fore leaning left or right.... thats actually illegal in the US.


whats not illegal like the most basic thing in any contract is the right to protect ones brand. this means that a company can terminate someone if they find them to be potentially damaging.

i dont know why you saying that facts dont care about feelings... because im not the one who had his fee fees hurt when a strong woman spoke the truth on the internet.

truth be told i dont even know what you are actually aluding to right now tho... so maybe some clarification would be good for both of us.
I was being a smart-ass with my facts don't care about your feelings quote because that's a trademark of Ben Shapiro.

All along, I've been trying to say that we don't have any verifiable facts for why Disney terminated her and if it was legal. That's kind of important in any debate. The only verifiable fact that we have is that she was terminated. We don't know Disney's actual reasons as contained in the termination letter (if there is one.) We don't know their code of conduct. We don't know what is in her contract. We don't know if labor laws apply to her. We don't know if she signed away the right to sue them. We can't make rational conclusions with so little information.

I understand that contracts cannot be illegal. That's why I said: "A contract cannot say "no women, blacks, conservative, liberal, Jewish, Muslims, etc." because that is discrimination and would surely make it illegal. The legality of her contract and polices would depend on the relevant state and federal laws and if they apply to Careno."

Maybe it's just me, but I'm very careful not to make conclusions or decisions when I have incomplete or no information. That is the bigger issue that this thread has shown me. People are far too quick to jump to conclusions with no first-hand information and are only relying on random web-sites or social posts.
 

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explorezip, if the plutocrats who insure the studios say it's legal, then it's legal...she's done as an actor.

New Information.

Steven Spielberg ordered Michal Bay to fire Megan Fox for calling him a Hitler. She could have gotten squashed like Carano but Spielberg showed mercy. He petitioned the plutocrats not to blackball her, his reasoning was that it was an act of poor judgement, not a belief system. Had she been blackballed, all her endorsements (which she made major $$$$ on) would have vanished.

Tom Hardy got canned for slapping Paul Bettany. Christopher Nolan took a risk casting him in Inception, there were no objections.
 
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