Sen. Rand Paul continues making false claims of 2020 election fraud

[Frankfooter]

It is the realm of the Right Wing fantasy world. Do not get too close, if you get caught in the spin, you're doomed.

Its more fun than that, all the right wingers have this wacko fantasy that their was real fraud but it just wasn't ivnestigated.
But if you ask them specifically to detail what allegation of fraud wasn't looked at they all just squirm away.
jcpro included.

 

[tastingyou]

Incorrect. A judge's laughter is no substitute for a credible investigation. Justice not only must be done, but it must be also seen.

Your idea of a credible investigation is probably one headed by Rand Paul, Rudy, and various other nutcases on the extreme right of what once was a credible political party. People who do not think proven science is real or that truth is truth.

Get yourself a good head doctor before you end up in the jungle like James Jones followers did drinking the coolade.

 

[Leimonis]

Giuliani is now being sued by dominion machines for $1.2 billion. So maybe now we are going to see that irrefutable evidence! That damn Hugo Chavez and his coconspirators must be shaking!

 

[jcpro]

Your idea of a credible investigation is probably one headed by Rand Paul, Rudy, and various other nutcases on the extreme right of what once was a credible political party. People who do not think proven science is real or that truth is truth.

Get yourself a good head doctor before you end up in the jungle like James Jones followers did drinking the coolade.

As soon as you reach for "extreme right", "nutcases", etc. your input has zero value. Especially, after four years of constant conspiracy theories fuelled by "credibles" like Clapper or Brennan or even the holder of "evidence" Schiff. The integrity of the electoral process screams to rise above the petty politicking, but, once you get to power, like in Canada's electoral reform, who give a shit, eh?

 

[jcpro]

Then what happened with Trumps very right wing appointees throwing him under the bus and not willing to play the LET'S STEAL THE ELECTION game for the want to be dictator?

Once you compromise the electoral process, once the faith and trust in the system is unhinged, you really will see a dictator. Don't cry when that happens. You have been warned.

 

[Frankfooter]

Once you compromise the electoral process, once the faith and trust in the system is unhinged, you really will see a dictator. Don't cry when that happens. You have been warned.

Do you think that was Trump's goal when he kept saying the elections are corrupt but also refused to do anything to fix them?
Or was he just trying to game the system so his followers would back him when he tried to overturn the election he lost?

 

[Dutch Oven]

What Rand Paul has to say was correct, and what a journalist has to say in response is of no consequence. Perhaps instances of election fraud were too limited to affect the outcome of the election. We'd know for sure if there was a serious public investigation by someone other than those who ran the flawed elections in the first place. How Stephanopolous can laugh off the issues related to unconstitutional changes to state election laws is pure gaslighting. There is no factual dispute about these changes, and SCOTUS has not heard any cases about these issues.

The media is doing the public no favors when they use the word "false" when what they actually mean is "unproven in a court of law".

 

[Leimonis]

The media is doing the public no favors when they used the word "false" when what they actually mean is "unproven in a court of law".

It sure works for you and your friends when you talk about Russian interference and trump coordinating it with the Russians

 

[Dutch Oven]

It sure works for you and your friends when you talk about Russian interference and trump coordinating it with the Russians

Really? Were the election irregularity allegations cooked up by a British spy based on a Russian intelligence source, assessed as unreliable by the FBI yet used as the foundation for FISA warrants as well as a continuing investigation for years by FBI agents determined to undermine Trump's presidency?

Or is there no reasonable comparison worth mentioning?

 

[jcpro]

What Rand Paul has to say was correct, and what a journalist has to say in response is of no consequence. Perhaps instances of election fraud were too limited to affect the outcome of the election. We'd know for sure if there was a serious public investigation by someone other than those who ran the flawed elections in the first place. How Stephanopolous can laugh off the issues related to unconstitutional changes to state election laws is pure gaslighting. There is no factual dispute about these changes, and SCOTUS has not heard any cases about these issues.

The media is doing the public no favors when they use the word "false" when what they actually mean is "unproven in a court of law".

Rightly or wrongly there are literally tens of millions of voters, this very moment, that believe that something not kosher occured. Fail to address it, and it will become the "truth".

 

[Leimonis]

Really? Were the election irregularity allegations cooked up by a British spy based on a Russian intelligence source, assessed as unreliable by the FBI yet used as the foundation for FISA warrants as well as a continuing investigation for years by FBI agents determined to undermine Trump's presidency?

Or is there no reasonable comparison worth mentioning?

Okay no need to recite your newsmax menu.

Russia interfered - it is a fact. Their officers were indicted for it - it is a fact.
trump asked them to interfere on television is a fact.
trump promised on television the results ie hacked emails is a fact.
trump campaign lied about their contacts with Russia is a fact.

if not for POS like Barr even righties would be able to see it. But it’s not convenient so let’s talk about British agents as if it matters.

 

[Frankfooter]

Really? Were the election irregularity allegations cooked up by a British spy based on a Russian intelligence source, assessed as unreliable by the FBI yet used as the foundation for FISA warrants as well as a continuing investigation for years by FBI agents determined to undermine Trump's presidency?

Or is there no reasonable comparison worth mentioning?

Yup.

Investigated by the FBI, confirmed by a bipartisan senate committee and published by the DOJ.
So unreliable.

Not like the investigation lead by Guiliani and Powell, who is partly responsible for getting Trump impeached twice and now both are being sued for $1.2 billion by the people they accused of being behind their imaginary fraud.

bud is totally clueless here.

 

[Leimonis]

Rightly or wrongly there are literally tens of millions of voters, this very moment, that believe that something not kosher occured. Fail to address it, and it will become the "truth".

It’d help if they addressed it by hanging all the people who created this falsehood. Like stone and trump and bannon.

 

[Anbarandy]

Rightly or wrongly there are literally tens of millions of voters, this very moment, that believe that something not kosher occured. Fail to address it, and it will become the "truth".

It could so easily be "righted" if they who have and still are engaged in a campaign of lies, disinformation, falsehoods, fantasy and conspiracies in their efforts to brainwash their "cult of ignoramuses" just:

"TELLING THE TRUTH"

 

[Dutch Oven]

Russia interfered - it is a fact. Their officers were indicted for it - it is a fact.

Indicted yes (for quite specific alleged conduct), tried and convicted no.

trump asked them to interfere on television is a fact.

If "Russia, if you're listening.." on a publicly televised debate is the "factual" evidence of Trump's diabolical plot, I don't think I have to respond further.

trump campaign lied about their contacts with Russia is a fact.

Lying about lawful activities shouldn't normally lead to charges, but the DOJ proved otherwise. I'm not sure why anyone would applaud it. It leads to justifiable decisions to discontinue prosecutions, and failing that, justifiable pardons, as actually occurred.

if not for POS like Barr even righties would be able to see it. But it’s not convenient so let’s talk about British agents as if it matters.

You guys can't decide if Barr is a patriot (no evidence of widespread voter fraud, Trump dishonoured his office by what he said to the protesters) or Trump's lackey. Only once you decide which would there be anything to respond to.

 

[shack]

As soon as you reach for "extreme right", "nutcases", etc. your input has zero value.

When you say that judicial impartiality is a conspiracy theory, your input is less than zero. It not only means nothing, it also shows that you are not mentally stable.

jcpro is a pro at posting Just Crap.

 

[mandrill]

Judges being impartial THAT is a conspiracy theory. Every one knows that judges are ideological and far from impartial.

Just no.

Some people have integrity and I credit the vast majority of the Bench with being among them.

The contests about judicial appointments are re the judge's juridical views, the judicial and legal philosophies they ascribe to and their own moral influences and tendencies. For instance, there are judges who strongly support the Second Amendment or who have suggested that Roe v Wade be limited. Much as I would oppose these views and those appointments, they are legitimate judicial philosophies in the US.

We're not talking about judges simply refusing to convict defendants because they're Republican voters, come from Fayette Co, wear green socks or have long noses. Your ideas about the judiciary are straight out of grade school. Next you'll be telling me the Reptilian Overlords are telling the judges who to convict and eating the judges who refuse to obey.

 

[mandrill]

Once you compromise the electoral process, once the faith and trust in the system is unhinged, you really will see a dictator. Don't cry when that happens. You have been warned.

Damn!

We're back to Hitler again!

 

[Leimonis]

Damn!

We're back to Hitler again!

Also known as

 

[jcpro]

When you say that judicial impartiality is a conspiracy theory, your input is less than zero. It not only means nothing, it also shows that you are not mentally stable.

jcpro is a pro at posting Just Crap.

Garbage. Judicial impartiality is a myth. Every one knows that.