Public or Private healthcare for Canada?

[Valcazar]

These private insurance plans only supplement certain things not covered such as prescription drugs, dental and vision. They do not offer alternative private medical care as in the US for services like surgery.

Yes, although I am pretty sure that while they can't do it legally, some do it anyway.

But as you can see, many countries have found ways to make it function. Whether that is actually unstable is an interesting question, and studying how (for instance) Australia does it could help clarify what would or would not work in Canada.

 

[danmand]

Yes, but those doctors could have been working in Canada.

That is one of the points I was trying to make. If a private hospital was in Niagara Falls instead of in Buffalo, those doctors and nurses could have been working in Canada, and the money would have stayed in Canada.

Also when there is no option but the public one there is an incentive by the rich and powerful to make it first class. When a private option is introduced I think there will be less pressure and incentive from the politicians and wealthy/influential to make it excellent

That is a valid argument, but is hard to believe it would make any difference, when the rich ( and a broke ass like me) can just go to across the border and get service.

But as you can see, many countries have found ways to make it function.

As far as I am aware, Canada is the only country that does not allow private hospitals.

 

[stinkynuts]

Why Canada Doesn't Allow Private Healthcare

As a B.C. lawsuit to legalize private healthcare wraps up this week, we review how it got this way

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Interesting article

 

[contact]

I am 100% in favor of universal health care., and have no complaints about it.

I believe it is a mistake to not allow private health care in Canada.

We effectively have a 2 tier system anyway, because we are so close to USA. I had surgery in USA some years ago.

Why not keep the money, doctors and nurses in Canada, instead of people going to USA for care.

doctors and nurses go to the usa because they can make a lot more money the they can in Canada

I wish you could opt out I pay my taxes (too much) and never use the health care system for the few times I do I would rather pay then wait

 

[contact]

That is one of the points I was trying to make. If a private hospital was in Niagara Falls instead of in Buffalo, those doctors and nurses could have been working in Canada, and the money would have stayed in Canada.



That is a valid argument, but is hard to believe it would make any difference, when the rich ( and a broke ass like me) can just go to across the border and get service.


As far as I am aware, Canada is the only country that does not allow private hospitals.

private hospitals are allowed its up to the provinces I know of one in Ontario shouldice hospital

 

[Charlemagne]

We agree on a universal health care system. Absolutely.

But you have not presented any argument against allowing private health care companies to operate in Canada. They operate in Buffalo, fercrissakes.

Actually, in Denmark, where they have an excellent universal health care system, the public system will pay for treatment at a private hospital, if the public system cannot provide service within a reasonable time.

Private insurance companies will cause a two tiered system, if they operate without messing with what we have, then I'm okay with them operating. People with money should not get preferential treatment due to what they can afford.

If they are to operate here, they should have their own hospitals and there shouldn't be any tax breaks given to anyone who can afford to go to them. Nor should these hospitals or companies get any tax breaks.

 

[danmand]

Private insurance companies will cause a two tiered system, if they operate without messing with what we have, then I'm okay with them operating. People with money should not get preferential treatment due to what they can afford.

If they are to operate here, they should have their own hospitals and there shouldn't be any tax breaks given to anyone who can afford to go to them. Nor should these hospitals or companies get any tax breaks.

Absolutely, we agree. Any private hospital should operate as if it was in Buffalo.

 

[contact]

Private insurance companies will cause a two tiered system, if they operate without messing with what we have, then I'm okay with them operating. People with money should not get preferential treatment due to what they can afford.

If they are to operate here, they should have their own hospitals and there shouldn't be any tax breaks given to anyone who can afford to go to them. Nor should these hospitals or companies get any tax breaks.

people with money always get preferential treatment always have /will

I hate lines before I had money I lined up, now that I can afford to I pay my way around or to the front (upgrade pass/tickets or whatever)

I think the public system will collapse its too expensive to operate too many users and eventually the tax base will balk at paying more and more of their salaries not to mention with covid I think the tax base may shrink due to retail and restaurants closing

 

[danmand]

I think the public system will collapse its too expensive to operate too many users and eventually the tax base will balk at paying more and more of their salaries not to mention with covid I think the tax base may shrink due to retail and restaurants closing

There is no way universal health care in Canada will be abolished. It is the conservatives wet dream, but they do not even dare propose it.

On the contrary, it should be expanded to include dental and prescription drugs.

I would agree to a small, largely symbolic, user fee, i.e. $10 for a doctors visit.

 

[contact]

There is no way universal health care in Canada will be abolished. It is the conservatives wet dream, but they do not even dare propose it.

On the contrary, it should be expanded to include dental and prescription drugs.

I would agree to a small, largely symbolic, user fee, i.e. $10 for a doctors visit.

who will pay for expansion?? were talking billions a year a user fee would have so many exemptions that in the end nobody would pay it

 

[danmand]

who will pay for expansion?? were talking billions a year a user fee would have so many exemptions that in the end nobody would pay it

Not necessarily, if it is a small fee.

Universal coverage of prescription drugs will come. Ohip already covers prescription drugs for young and old people, with a $100 yearly deduction.

There are savings in covering presciption drugs for everybody. Ohip dictates use of cheaper generic versions of the drugs.

 

[kherg007]

Yes there was a private system in Australia along w medicare (the public system). The govt in oz encouraged people to join the private system. You did get access to private hospitals, and could claim a Dr. However, if you know the surgery your Dr works in you just went whilst he or she was working and Bob's your uncle you have a private Dr. But you could not guarantee to be seen by the dr you wanted.

The other twist was the public system in Oz actually was more medically advanced as it was tied extensively with the research hospitals and laboratories. Thus the more cutting edge treatments were found in the public system.

 

[Spunky1]

Eventually, Canada will slowly morph one way or another into a 2 tier system . They just won't call it that. It's inevitable. It has already started years ago when a procedure I needed was no longer covered by Ohip and was now categorized as "cosmetic" . I was fine paying out of pocket but it got me thinking about what else they will determine to stop covering in the future. The list will grow yearly.

Hospitals are already somewhat privatized behind the scenes.There are a few big for profit private companies that hold contracts for management of staffing , services and supplies.
It's going to spread from the inside of the system.

 

[shack]

I do not see that. Why would you not be happy with people going to USA or somewhere else to get medical care? It frees up slots for Canadians.

And that's similar to what I think would happen in a two-tiered system. The gov't can provide what they think is the proper level of care and if people want more then they can go for the private. When people opt for the private, it frees up more resources for the public system.

 

[Frankfooter]

who will pay for expansion?? were talking billions a year a user fee would have so many exemptions that in the end nobody would pay it

You will, with tax increases because that's what all of Canada wants.

 

[contact]

You will, with tax increases because that's what all of Canada wants.

you seem to be really really good at telling others what they want fortunately for us that's not they way it works

 

[Frankfooter]

you seem to be really really good at telling others what they want fortunately for us that's not they way it works

Sure it does, that's exactly how democracy works.

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[contact]

Sure it does, that's exactly how democracy works.

Poll finds majority of Canadians want corporations, the very rich to help pay for COVID-19 recovery | Canadians for Tax Fairness

Three in four Canadians endorse a wealth tax to help cover rising COVID-19 costs, according to a new Abacus Data poll

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polls are real trustworthy and accurate wasn't Clinton going to beat trump with a commanding lead??

 

[Frankfooter]

polls are real trustworthy and accurate wasn't Clinton going to beat trump with a commanding lead??

The election was within the margins of error for the polls.
Just as 2018's election and 2020's and elections here in Canada.

You're just trying to deny reality because your views are unpopular.

 

[contact]

The election was within the margins of error for the polls.
Just as 2018's election and 2020's and elections here in Canada.

You're just trying to deny reality because your views are unpopular.

once again you change the subject I stated "polls are real trustworthy and accurate wasn't Clinton going to beat trump with a commanding lead??"

Only with you you seem to have to be the center of attention and right every time or you change the subject threaten people or accuse them of things that are untrue