You may not own or display it but you seek to whitewash what is is which is perhaps more reprehensible. It is a symbol of insurrectionist states who sought to destroy the country in order to preserve slavery. The people who displayed it many years ago were traitors and the people who do so today are no better.
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You may not own or display it but you seek to whitewash what is is which is perhaps more reprehensible. It is a symbol of insurrectionist states who sought to destroy the country in order to preserve slavery. The people who displayed it many years ago were traitors and the people who do so today are no better.
Anyways congress continues to certify Joe Biden. Anyway, slave owners cannot stop democracy.
And there is the consideration of evoking the 25th amendment by the GOP. Even Republicans know Trump lost his mind.
Well, you couldn't say that about the US flag. Not associated w slavery, at least as of 1863 and after.
Regional representation and a lost cause? Yes. But it becomes a circular argument. The reason the South seceded and created the flag is because it feared the Republicans would inevitably emancipate the slaves and cause grievous economic damage to the politically dominant planter class in the South. So the flag is a symbol of the South - at least to white southerners. But it's a symbol created and brandished to protect the institution of slavery.
This aspect was minimized for over a century, up until the last 15 years or so. You could "sanitize" and glamourize the flag by simply omitting to discuss the role of Blacks in Southern society. And the conventional presentation of the Civil Was, even in "sophisticated" productions like Ken Burns' documentary series was exactly that. You could present Southern participants as simple homespun heroes from a less complicated and more colourful time. But one did that by close-focusing on the soldiers themselves (and perhaps their close family members). You had to remove almost all mention of Southern Blacks and their experience. Because that allowed you to concentrate on whether Lee should have attacked at Gettysburg or the grief of a Southern soldier's wife and excused you from considering whether Southern society was fundamentally corrupt.
Problem is that the Civil War and the mythmaking about it that took place afterwards has come increasingly in the cross-hairs of academic revisionism. My niece took an MA in American history and there was massive concentration on how the South created and sold the rest of America on "the Lost Cause" and "Southern regional pride" in the period 1890 - 1950. It made it impossible for me to look on the Southern flag in the same way after reading some of her textbooks.
Hard to argue that the BLM protests were not treated far more harshly by the police and NG than today's protest.
Second day after the Floyd protests started, I shrugged and said "Okay, it's blown itself out. There's been a little looting, like always. A little venting and it's done." But then, I saw cops shoot a female reporter in the face with a rubber bullet and blind her, arrest other reporters (who were fully ID-ed), tear gas clearly peaceful parts of protests marches and attack other peaceful protestors with batons. And I said "This time it's different. The police violence is going to create more reaction in the media and the Black community and this is NOT going to just blow over". And it didn't.
Now it appears that the Capitol cops were taken by surprise and quickly overwhelmed and I give them the benefit of the doubt. And it could be that they will be considerably harsher with the alt right assholes tomorrow. They are already tear-gassing them But the initial perception is that the alt right rioters are being treated far more gently than BLM protestors.
The people of today are generations removed from slavery........It's not how the vast majority of them feel
And you became the spokesmen for them when? Is it only then a coincidence that the preponderance of those flags are flown in the US south and among whites. Don't blacks believe in regional representation etc. Please don't continue to embarrass yourself to a ridiculous defense of the indefensible.
Boy, have you ever lived in rural South Carolina? My sister did about 20 years ago for a couple of years. Shit I could tell YOU!
They don't believe in slavery, no. It's still heavily segregated below the surface. THAT hasn't changed.
You don't need immense experience living in the States to see that you are wrong. PS: I lived there
LOL. Prior to Covid I spent 1 week per month in New York and the winters in Palm Springs which as it happens may be one of the whitest places in the US. I claim no special knowledge or experience but I do not seek to speak for all confederate flag waivers or anyone else for that matter.
Not unless the soon to be former insurrectionist in chief tells me to believe it.
they police were overrun very quickly true but how? its not like this was a flash mob that just appeared without warning they knew this was coming for days I would have expected more police and fencing but hey what do I know?
as far as rubber bullets not too sure about that incident, but usually the police give an order to disperse before they use them if you hang around press or not things can go badly for you
You went to school in an all white private school, right? The blacks went to school in public schools that were underfunded?
There was a white side of town and a black side of town?
You went out drinking in a "private social club" - essentially a roadhouse that only allowed whites to drink there?
You went to church in an all white church? The blacks had their own churches?
Because that was the place my sister lived about 20 years ago.
Question we're all asking ourselves. But I'm prepared to accept that police management was just incompetent because I've seen TPS fuck up bad.
US is very divided now. Too much hatred from both sides. Very very sad.
One of the most basic principles is voting. That's how officials and government is elected.
When millions of people say voting was rigged, fraud commited - there should be a commission who'll investigate for the purpose of transparency so everyone can sleep at night.
Unfortunately, over 70 million people were simply told to accept the outcome.
One of the most basic principles is voting. That's how officials and government is elected.
When millions of people say voting was rigged, fraud commited - there should be a commission who'll investigate for the purpose of transparency so everyone can sleep at night.
Unfortunately, over 70 million people were simply told to accept the outcome.
