Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story

[doggystyle99]

Useless without a comparison of the number of tests per day.

Countries testing do not fluctuate over long periods of time, there might be daily drops here and there but number of testing in countries are consistent. Reported number of cases are very important on their own regardless.
Sweden's testing as always been horrendous as they did not believe in preventive measures, up to a couple of weeks ago they were only testing 20k/day on average, only in the last 2 weeks have they finally been able to increase to 30k/day on average, it's even worse when comparing testing/Million to their immediate bordering neighbours Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

Sweden--------313,539/Mln
Finland---------355,564/Mln
Norway--------421,888/Mln
Denmark------1,306,021/Mln

Testing is one of the reasons why there is such a large disparity between the number of cases/Mln, and deaths/Mln in those countries in comparison to Sweden as Sweden from the beginning had a lack of testing issue and lack of preventive measures issue.

Sweden: weekly tested coronavirus 2020 | Statista

The weekly number of people tested for the coronavirus (COVID-19) in Sweden overall increased during the period.

www.statista.com

 

[lenny2]

We've been over this 100 times. Sweden has many big cities and the other countries mentioned have few. You just said that population density plays a part. Sweden did it right.

Actually the 3 countries combined - Norway, Sweden & Denmark - have 17 cities over 100K population. Sweden only has 9.

"Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677"

So Sweden's approach was a colossal failure.

No wonder they been moving toward more restrictions recently. They finally woke up to the truth.

 

[lenny2]

"Population density is a very big deal for sure, one of the top variables without a doubt

Which makes you wonder why states like South Dakota and North Dakota are struggling with the highest infection and death rates still, and needing to send patients out of state to hospitals and bring in health care professionals from out of state.

Sweden, Norway, Finland have remarkably similar population densities when compared to the world ranking
159th, 171st, 172nd respectively

Denmark is much more population dense (ranking at 64th) with about 6 times more people per square km than Sweden so there's that.

obviously other variables are at play"

"COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation' "

"The US reports 3,100 coronavirus deaths in one day -- 20% more than previous record https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

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[lenny2]

Fake News.

Facts:

Sweden thought they were going to reach herd immunity months ago. They were wrong! Their strategy was a colossal fuck-up failure.

Sweden had 1 death yesterday, 8 the day before. They did it right.

That's nothing. New Zealand had 0 reported - infections - & deaths for over 100 days & returned to normal life.

Sweden's 3 Nordic neighbours continue to destroy Sweden as they did in the early pandemic. In November they crushed Sweden's performance badly.

The 3 countries combined - Norway, Sweden & Denmark - have 17 cities over 100K population. Sweden only has 9.

"Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677"

So Sweden's approach was a colossal failure.

No wonder they been moving toward more restrictions recently. They finally woke up to the truth. Which also explains their recent lower death count, lol.

 

[basketcase]

Cases Smayshes.

What are the EXCESS deaths?

What are the bankruptcies and LIVES AND LIFE SAVINGS OF BUSINESS OWNERS RUINED?

What debt has been created that will result in lower standards of living ( and health care spending in the future- excess deaths in the FUTURE) going forward?

No matter what you want to claim, Sweden has had a way higher death rate due to covid and their GDP still dropped over 8% in Q2

 

[lenny2]

"6 months ago Captain Cotard was explaining to us how "I heard" immunity was imminent in NY and NJ.

That didn't quite work out, missed it by about 10k a day.

So to save that cowpie of a face he is now pointing the finger he removed from his bunghole at the liberals.

I figure about half a milly by. spring depending on the bear hibernation cycle in the upper midwest and the always imminent "I heard" immunity. Or the tards poke their own eyes out pointing their fingers at anything blue that is smarter than them."

"COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation' "

Fake News. Sweden had 1 death yesterday, 8 the day before. They did it right. NJ with all time record cases today, watching the failure of these whako dem governors sure is enjoyable. meanwhile I'll be going to the casino tomorrow.

forums.eog.com

LOL.

 

[barnacler]

Actually the 3 countries combined - Norway, Sweden & Denmark - have 17 cities over 100K population. Sweden only has 9.

"Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677"

So Sweden's approach was a colossal failure.

No wonder they been moving toward more restrictions recently. They finally woke up to the truth.

first of

No matter what you want to claim, Sweden has had a way higher death rate due to covid and their GDP still dropped over 8% in Q2

I don't care about "Death Rate due to COVID". I care about total death rate. If death rate is the same, then COVID deaths (and there is a lot of nonsense about the reporting of COVID deaths) are merely replacing Pneumonia, the Flu, heart failure, and other natural causes of death.

Every year there are NEW flu strains. That's why we get a NEW flu shot.

Every flu could be given a new name (they probably are).

So every year we could have a ruckus about how "This BLINGBLANG Flu is killing so many people". Quietly, though, the previous year's MUCHADO flu is hardly killing anybody, even though last year it was a leading cause of deaths.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That is the issue with total mortality.

 

[kherg007]

Agreed. The cdc numbers show excess deaths. If you look at the bottom of this CDC document there is a table of all deaths, and a line at which the rate would be considered "excess". You can see in early 2020 that line gets surpassed in the USA anyhow..

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

 

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first of


I don't care about "Death Rate due to COVID". I care about total death rate. If death rate is the same, then COVID deaths (and there is a lot of nonsense about the reporting of COVID deaths) are merely replacing Pneumonia, the Flu, heart failure, and other natural causes of death.

Every year there are NEW flu strains. That's why we get a NEW flu shot.

Every flu could be given a new name (they probably are).

So every year we could have a ruckus about how "This BLINGBLANG Flu is killing so many people". Quietly, though, the previous year's MUCHADO flu is hardly killing anybody, even though last year it was a leading cause of deaths.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That is the issue with total mortality.

“Population in the world is currently (2020) growing at a rate of around 1.05% per year (down from 1.08% in 2019, 1.10% in 2018, and 1.12% in 2017). The current average population increase is estimated at 81 million people per year.”

It looks like it’s on a steady decline. Down by 0.02% per year from previous years. This year we are at 0.03% from previous year.

World Population Clock: 8.2 Billion People (LIVE, 2025) - Worldometer

How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 8 billion on November 15, 2022 according to the United Nations. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data regarding the current, historical, and future world population figures, estimates...

www.worldometers.info

 

[barnacler]

Agreed. The cdc numbers show excess deaths. If you look at the bottom of this CDC document there is a table of all deaths, and a line at which the crate would be considered "excess". You can see in early 2020 that line gets surpassed in the USA anyhow..

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

That is a very interesting chart.

It shows little x's for excess deaths, or deaths above expected. But it doesn't show anything for deaths below expected deaths - lets call it "Death Shortages" It doesn't even show the number of deaths. And according to it , it appears as though there were a shortage of deaths for almost the entire 3 years prior.

Also: " Data for jurisdictions where counts are between 1 and 9 are suppressed. " according to the notes.

 

[kherg007]

That is a very interesting chart.

It shows little x's for excess deaths, or deaths above expected. But it doesn't show anything for deaths below expected deaths - lets call it "Death Shortages" It doesn't even show the number of deaths. And according to it , it appears as though there were a shortage of deaths for almost the entire 3 years prior.

Also: " Data for jurisdictions where counts are between 1 and 9 are suppressed. " according to the notes.

I think there is allowance for fluctuations; thus to get above the line means you have surpassed a normal fluctuation above what chance would predict. Like and error bar in inferential statistics.

 

[basketcase]

first of


I don't care about "Death Rate due to COVID". I care about total death rate. If death rate is the same, then COVID deaths (and there is a lot of nonsense about the reporting of COVID deaths) are merely replacing Pneumonia, the Flu, heart failure, and other natural causes of death.
...

That is the issue with total mortality.

Last I checked, in 11 months of 2020, Canada has 13,000 deaths more than 2019. The total number of deaths has increased in recent years due to a rising population but this year is noticeably above the trend line.

You could try being honest that you just don't want to look at any data that undermines your assumptions.


p.s. No matter what you want to pretend, covid is not a flu. It is a different family of viruses.

 

[Primetime21]

Anyone still want to argue that Sweden did it "right" https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...YxtA4PED1JCpxy2-a3JgU6RzOtz0BY1HjToncJG3sMTG0

 

[TeeJay]

Sure why not
-64% case count last 7 days (massive decrease) and by far better percents than its neighbours who doggy is gaga over
(Darker green is good, darker red is bad)

WHO is source for map

 

[squeezer]

Sure why not
-64% case count last 7 days (massive decrease) and by far better percents than its neighbours who doggy is gaga over
(Darker green is good, darker red is bad)

WHO is source for map

Only in your fantasy realm.

'We need help,' says Stockholm healthcare chief as COVID fills intensive care wards

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Look what we have here. With 27 days left in the year Sweden's annual total deaths are only gonna be slightly higher than the norm. Do the math for yourself (if you're capable.....LOL)

Sweden excess deaths 2023 | Statista

Sweden saw a period of excess deaths in 2022, caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.statista.com

 

[basketcase]

Look what we have here. With 27 days left in the year Sweden's annual total deaths are only gonna be slightly higher than the norm. Do the math for yourself (if you're capable.....LOL)

Sweden excess deaths 2023 | Statista

Sweden saw a period of excess deaths in 2022, caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.statista.com

It's amazing to see people so rigid in their thinking or so afraid of admitting errors that they hold on to a general theme even when outright proven wrong.

For example, someone who went on about Sweden having low case counts and claimed they had herd immunity would normally give up and walk away when seeing massive spikes in case counts but thankfully those aren't the kind of people we have on terb.

 

[basketcase]

Sure why not
-64% case count last 7 days (massive decrease) and by far better percents than its neighbours who doggy is gaga over
(Darker green is good, darker red is bad)

WHO is source for map

Their daily deaths have decreased over the past week but their case rate remains just as high. Stockholm also has only 7 available ICU beds.

Even Fox news admits that Sweden was a failure as Sweden has implemented new restrictions over the past couple weeks.0

Sweden's pandemic experiment ends amid spiking coronavirus cases

Sweden’s Covid-19 experiment is over.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It's amazing to see people so rigid in their thinking or so afraid of admitting errors that they hold on to a general theme even when outright proven wrong.

For example, someone who went on about Sweden having low case counts and claimed they had herd immunity would normally give up and walk away when seeing massive spikes in case counts but thankfully those aren't the kind of people we have on terb

You're missing the point. The vast majority of those Swedish deaths were old people or immuno-comprised patients who were gonna die anyways. It looks like their death rate this year will be a bit higher, but not by much.

Oh and have you looked at Denmark lately. That country you love to compare with Sweden.
Their daily new infection rate is through the roof

 

[lenny2]

You're missing the point. The vast majority of those Swedish deaths were old people or immuno-comprised patients who were gonna die anyways.

The same could be said of - anyone - who dies : they "were gonna die anyways".

That doesn't mean they wanted to die before their time. Covid snuffed out their life earlier than it would have been otherwise.

"...just because I’m old doesn’t mean I want to die. Do you get that?”

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/just-because-i%E2%80%99m-old-doesn%E2%80%99t-mean-i-want-to-die-do-you-get-that-%E2%80%9D.723431/

Some of the pro selfishness, covidiot pro deathers don't get it, apparently.

Oh and have you looked at Denmark lately. That country you love to compare with Sweden.
Their daily new infection rate is through the roof

It's about 10X worse in Sweden.