Teachers Union Sabotaging Education

SammyS

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You have explained nothing
All you have done is further the case for home schooling, private schooling and /or online education
The education system is meant to be for the benefit of students, their parents and society as a whole. you have turned the education system into your private ATM machine

^^^^^Johnny trying to get into teacher's college!!!
 
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SammyS

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As I have stated many times
I do not envy those I do not respect
I never have, do not , nor ever will want to become a teacher in a union environment

^^^^^Well of course you make this claim after finding out you were NOT accepted into teacher's college!!!


I know you are real slow on the uptake, but you seem to having a very difficult time understanding:
I would never permit myself to be associated with anyone who uses children as negotiating pawns
The idea of being in the same organization makes my skin crawl.

The main purpose of teachers' unions!!!

  1. To defend publicly-funded public education.
  2. To promote social justice in the areas of peace, anti-poverty, non-violence, and equity.
  3. To promote the care and protection of the environment.
  4. To promote and protect the health and safety of members, both physically and psychologically.
^^^^^Johnny let me guess your reading decoding skills were strong but comprehension not so.

In addition the only reason one should want to become a teacher is because they are motivated to help children develop
Wanting the "perks" is the wrong reason and we know this your motivation

^^^^So if teachers were paid $30,000 with no benefits our education system would be where it is today???

The more you post, the more it becomes clear the teachers union is detrimental to the students, parents and taxpayers and the teachers union will destroy public education in Ontario.

^^^^^^Johnny...

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SammyS

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Meanwhile
1. 60% of
restaurants are projected to fail in November
2. Tourism has ground to a halt. Hotel operators are screwed!
3. The airlines are frantically begging for govt to lift travel restrictions. There will be bankruptcies in the airline industry for sure.
4. Retail stores are hanging by their finger tips. A brief rebound in retail sales during June stalled out in July.There will be bankruptcies in the retail industry for sure.
5. The Canadian oil and Gas sector is suffering from low pricing and a Liberal Federal government intent on shutting them down. There will be bankruptcies in the oil and gas industry for sure.
6. Commercial landlords are going to get screwed big time as remote work has taken hold
7. even universities are getting pummeled as international students are their main source of revenue and they can not get into the country
8. The second wave is a very real threat on a global scale.
9. we could be be looking at further restrictions rather than easing. and look, that started today, hopefully it is a temporary setback and not the start of a trend . Hopefully
10. Governments world wide went all in during the spring and that support is running out
11 Commercial and consumer defaults are defiantly going to increase and that will impact credit supply

Do you have any idea how many people are employed directly and indirectly in these sectors ??
Of course you do not. (hint: It is a lot of people)
Ask one your puppets. They seem to be the source for your information

A year, for the economy to rebound to 2019 level to make your ratios a justification for your continued extortion you say??
You are dreaming. Not a snowballs change in hell
even if you found a vaccine tomorrow the recovery will not be a switch that is flicked on.
at least six months for trials and then producing and distributing on a world wide scale ????????
There will be lasting and permanent economic damage for an extended period of years

Like with so many other issues your understanding of economics is brutal
Debt and tax burdens as % of GDP are useless ratio when the GDP changes due to an economic shock and this is a very big economic shock.
The loonie left is a very well deserved moniker

1. Johnny doesn't reply with any support that proves all "Average Canadian families" are in dire conditions.
2. Johnny doesn't reply to the fact that we have all these dire conditions for "Average Canadian families" but we're ranked number 1 for Quality of Life in the world.
3. Johnny bitches about all this debt that is unsustainable but a lot of other countries have higher debt and taxes then Canada but as Johnny says all the "Average families" in those countries are doomed!!!

^^^^^Example of "Average Canadian family"
 
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So now you are coming late into this discussion and expressing your uninformed opinion
If you had been paying attention you would know that I made it clear (several hundred posts ago) that the average Canadian Family is spending more on taxes than food clothing and shelter and are going further and further into debt to make up the short fall
The facts speak for themselves
1. The tax burden on the average family is about $7,000 per year more than they are spending on food, clothing and shelter

^^^^But hey we're rated #1 for Best Quality of Life in the World but shit happens!!!

2. The Canadian consumer debt burden has been growing. Pay attention: the Bank of Canada has spoke about this risk many times

^^^^Debt and tax collector!!!
^^^^Canada is not even close to having the highest debt or taxes paid in the world but as Johnny says... all the "average families in those countries are f......king doomed!!!


3. The government debt burden , federal, provincial and municipal is unsustainable and the Moron Mr. Dressup Justin is going to grow it exponentially.

^^^^^The jenga blocks represent Canadian's debt and it's about to collapse!!!

Do not think you can speak for me.

^^^^Yes we can... cut taxes, cut debt, cut taxes, cut debt!!!
You do not know how much I make.
You do not know how much I pay in taxes
All you know is I am a taxpayer
I have been careful to keep my income , my business.
You see that way it is not possible for some ignorant virtual signalling fool to try and avoid the issue via an attempted despicable cancel culture attack on my motivation

Again you come into the discussion late and miss the fact your tax the rich scheme has been proven to be an nonviable option

^^^^LOL... okay Johnny!!!
1. The top 10% of income earners pay 54% of the taxes in Canada , so they are already paying in a very disproportionate manner

^^^^Life's a b.....h!!!
2. People with $ will move if taxed to much and we are seeing that in New York state and California

^^^^Teachers, police, fire fighters, doctors anybody making a lot of money being taxed to much...
they're leaving... they're f....king leaving!!!
3. They will take the jobs they produce with them or

^^^^My favourite teacher... Mr. Sammy... leaving because he's taxed too much!!!
4. They will put their money to sleep

^^^^Money please wake up!!!

Your overly simplest tax the rich idea puts 54% of the tax base at risk
BTW the top 10% cut off was $96,000 while SammyS claims a salary of $95,000 with a total cost of $103,000 to the province

^^^^JSYK... Johnny is NOT a teacher!!!

Do you not see the irony: you want to tax the economically productive rich to enrich the economically unproductive rich, just so long as they are union members
Federal , provincial and municipal governments do not have a tax revenue problem, they have a spending problem
If you and SammyS are so lasise fare about being taxed more, you are certainly welcome
^^^^^What the f....k I have to pay more tax!!!

^^^^This is actually me, Sammy, I'm upset my taxes might be raised!!!

They will accept your cheque knock yourself out if you want to pay more taxes but you do not get to impose your fools plan on our most productive citizens.
The tax system is not a wealth transfer mechanism
^^^^^Why not???
 
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JohnLarue

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Well of course you make this claim after finding out you were NOT accepted into teacher's college!!!
Oh no, wrong again (do you not get tired of being wrong all the time?)
I would have been accepted. Certain degrees are in demand @ your clown college
However I could never use children as negotiating pawns, so it was not a career path I considered , at all
 

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The main purpose of teachers' unions!!!
  1. To defend publicly-funded public education.
  2. To promote social justice in the areas of peace, anti-poverty, non-violence, and equity.
  3. To promote the care and protection of the environment.
  4. To promote and protect the health and safety of members, both physically and psychologically

do you really expect anyone to believe that self-serving bullshit rhetoric after you have bragged non stop about the wealth you accumulated?
The purpose of the teachers union is to enrich teachers. plan and simple.
As you put it "I do not give a shit about the employer"

^^^^^Johnny let me guess your reading decoding skills were strong but comprehension not so.
Too funny, this coming from a guy who needs everything repeated for him 10 times
 

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^^^^So if teachers were paid $30,000 with no benefits our education system would be where it is today???
In a much better position to deal with the pandemic

Nobody is asking for a pay cut of 2/3
Nobody would expect teachers to be paid poverty rates
The first ask is for some co-operation. but your response "Screw you, I demand a raise"
That response makes it clear the teachers union is detrimental to the students, parents and taxpayers and the teachers union will destroy public education in Ontario.
 

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1. Johnny doesn't reply with any support that proves all "Average Canadian families" are in dire conditions
2. Johnny doesn't reply to the fact that we have all these dire conditions for "Average Canadian families but we're ranked number 1 for Quality of Life in the world.
3. Johnny bitches about all this debt that is unsustainable but a lot of other countries have higher debt and taxes then Canada but as Johnny says all the Average families in those countries are doomed!!!
#1 The average family is paying more in taxes than for food, shelter and clothing. The bank of Canada has repeated warned excessive consumer debt is huge problem
Bank of Canada warns of excess business, household debt
SammyS is too bloody lazy/ uneducated to investigate/ comprehend a subject which is constantly in the news. . And he is teaching our kids life skills?

#2. SammyS does not understand what the word unsustainable means and will say anything to continue his parasitic gorging at the expense of the taxpayer

un·sus·tain·a·ble

adjective
not able to be maintained at the current rate or level.


#3 SammyS thinks the fact others have similar problems makes the problems go away

SammyS is not equipped for adult level discussions
Ask his puppets, they are the ones doing the thinking for him
 

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^^^^^Johnny trying to get into teacher's college!!!
I never wanted to get into teachers college.
What part of "I could never use children as negotiating pawns" do you not understand?

Here is SammyS photo of his graduation from teachers college

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Here is the diploma SammyS received




Here is SammyS motivation for attending teachers college

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SammyS

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do you really expect anyone to believe that self-serving bullshit rhetoric after you have bragged non stop about the wealth you accumulated?

^^^^That's like your stupid comment at the beginning of this discussion when you said a steward told their staff not to do their best work.
The purpose of the teachers union is to enrich teachers. plan and simple.

Okay... whatever!!!

As you put it "I do not give a shit about the employer"

^^^^^OMG, Johnny is actually right this time!!!

Too funny, this coming from a guy who needs everything repeated for him 10 times



^^^^Taylor Swift... do you have anything to say to Johnny???
 

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In a much better position to deal with the pandemic

Nobody is asking for a pay cut of 2/3
Nobody would expect teachers to be paid poverty rates
The first ask is for some co-operation. but your response "Screw you, I demand a raise"
That response makes it clear the teachers union is detrimental to the students, parents and taxpayers and the teachers union will destroy public education in Ontario.

^^^^^Okay Johnny!!!

^^^^^And here is another example of Johnny NOT listening... I have no problem cooperating but the union is not going to move a single inch.
 

SammyS

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#1 The average family is paying more in taxes than for food, shelter and clothing. The bank of Canada has repeated warned excessive consumer debt is huge problem
Bank of Canada said in a report outlining issues the pandemic is having on business

^^^^So things are NOT going well for Johnny... he's not winning in any of his arguments... now he brings the pandemic into the dicussion. Wow!!!

SammyS is too bloody lazy/ uneducated to investigate/ comprehend a subject which is constantly in the news. . And he is teaching our kids life skills?

^^^^^Constantly in the news.... oh really!!!

#2. SammyS does not understand what the word unsustainable means and will say anything to continue his parasitic gorging at the expense of the taxpayer

^^^^^Sorry can I get back to you in a bit... at my cottage, on the beach with some girls right now and they're hoping my rhythm can be SUSTAINBLE to satisfy the three of them... I'm up for the challenge!!!

#3 SammyS thinks the fact others have similar problems makes the problems go away
SammyS is not equipped for adult level discussions
Ask his puppets, they are the ones doing the thinking for him

^^^^^Not happy... just told Johnny doesn't like him!!!
 
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SammyS

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I never wanted to get into teachers college.
What part of "I could never use children as negotiating pawns" do you not understand?

Here is SammyS photo of his graduation from teachers college


^^^^^That's me bottom row, last one on the right with the orange sleeves. Now that I make over $95,000 my wardrobe is very colourful!!!


Here is the diploma SammyS received

^^^^it should say "awarded this Diploma with pay, benefits and pension because he brings a smile to every child's face"



Here is SammyS motivation for attending teachers college

>>>>>>>>

^^^^^^F.....king right!!! Met them at Teacher's College... cum to my cottage frequently!!! If you know what I mean.
 
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My error, you did say you don't think small class are important.

Instead you just blame all differences between private and public schools on unions.
A crazy theory.
I provided more than one source of information that stated through studies that class sizes don't matter.

WIth the public unionized teachers, you roll the dice and hope your kid gets a good teacher...if they don't, too bad, their loss.
That doesn't happen in a private school which is why the quality of education by those teachers is simply better.

No one sends their kid to private school because they think the facility is better (which is a myth)...they send them because the education is better.

Like I said, pay good teachers well, reward them for performance, get rid of the union and the bad teachers. That would make a huge difference to the quality of public education and it wouldn't cost nearly as much as private school.
 

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I provided more than one source of information that stated through studies that class sizes don't matter.

WIth the public unionized teachers, you roll the dice and hope your kid gets a good teacher...if they don't, too bad, their loss.
That doesn't happen in a private school which is why the quality of education by those teachers is simply better.

No one sends their kid to private school because they think the facility is better (which is a myth)...they send them because the education is better.

^^^^^What total Bull Sh....t!!! People that have more money send their kids to private school. They have gyms, swimming pools, each student has their own laptop. What planet do you live on???

Like I said, pay good teachers well, reward them for performance, get rid of the union and the bad teachers. That would make a huge difference to the quality of public education and it wouldn't cost nearly as much as private school.

^^^^^Oh I see, you're friends with Johnny. How is Lalaland???
 
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I provided more than one source of information that stated through studies that class sizes don't matter.

WIth the public unionized teachers, you roll the dice and hope your kid gets a good teacher...if they don't, too bad, their loss.
That doesn't happen in a private school which is why the quality of education by those teachers is simply better.

No one sends their kid to private school because they think the facility is better (which is a myth)...they send them because the education is better.

Like I said, pay good teachers well, reward them for performance, get rid of the union and the bad teachers. That would make a huge difference to the quality of public education and it wouldn't cost nearly as much as private school.
Its not for the teachers, its for the connections with other rich kids and their families and to avoid the 'riff raff' that the public system can't say no to.
That and being able to tell the principal that the marks your kid got are wrong.

Too bad you can't afford private school so have to send your kids to public schools and then attack the schools because they doin't do well.
(And yes, this is a theory of mine based off of your posts)
 

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Its not for the teachers, its for the connections with other rich kids and their families and to avoid the 'riff raff' that the public system can't say no to.
That and being able to tell the principal that the marks your kid got are wrong.

Too bad you can't afford private school so have to send your kids to public schools and then attack the schools because they doin't do well.
(And yes, this is a theory of mine based off of your posts)
You assumptions as usual are wrong.
You have been watching too many movies and are stuck on the private school stereotype that has been created by Hollywood.
I know lots of people that are not rich and had to borrow money to send their kids to private school. It was a decision they made based on wanting the best education for their kids.
Do you think they borrowed all that money so the kid gets a rubber stamp grade? No.
Lots of private schools offer bursaries to underprivileged kids so they can also attend. So your theory about rich kid connections is flawed.

Like I said, pay good teachers well, reward them for performance, get rid of the union and the bad teachers. That would make a huge difference to the quality of public education and it wouldn't cost nearly as much as private school.
 

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You assumptions as usual are wrong.
You have been watching too many movies and are stuck on the private school stereotype that has been created by Hollywood.
I know lots of people that are not rich and had to borrow money to send their kids to private school. It was a decision they made based on wanting the best education for their kids.
Do you think they borrowed all that money so the kid gets a rubber stamp grade? No.
Lots of private schools offer bursaries to underprivileged kids so they can also attend. So your theory about rich kid connections is flawed.

Like I said, pay good teachers well, reward them for performance, get rid of the union and the bad teachers. That would make a huge difference to the quality of public education and it wouldn't cost nearly as much as private school.
Anecdotal evidence.
Try again with something useful.
 

JohnLarue

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do you really expect anyone to believe that self-serving bullshit rhetoric after you have bragged non stop about the wealth you accumulated?
That's like your stupid comment at the beginning of this discussion when you said a steward told their staff not to do their best work.
??
Do you deny bragging non stop about the wealth you have accumulated?

It was truly amazing to watch you stupidly paint yourself as a money grubbing self centered and arrogant fool who sole interest is self enrichment at expense of others and who is more than wiling to use children as pawns
You made it so easy to show the true colors of your union

As for the other union rep. That was a quote from a teacher who was told by her union rep not to bring their "A" game and all you have done is show you are just as morally corrupt as he is
 
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