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Is it me or has the offering in the region gone down the tube

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westcityside

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The MA scene is severely misunderstood by the SP guys. Part of that is deliberate due to rules restricting what can or cannot actually be said about them on these forums.
The MA scene seems to be like a cracker jack box to a lot of us, there's no way of knowing what the actual prize is until you get there.
 
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Which is not that different from the SP scene, if you think about it. You get some good SP's and some useless ones. The only thing preventing you from getting exactly what you want in the MA world that you get in the SP world is your lack of experience in the MA world. The only way to get experience in the MA world is to experience the MA world. Things are done slightly differently in the MA world, sure, but once you learn those differences, you will know exactly how to navigate your way through it.
Very true, you never know how it'll go with an unknown in the SP world but you can easily budget the event and I think that's the biggest difference, knowing what to bring in order to get the play value you hope to get. Also, 140 is a lot different than 180 plus for a working stiff, that 40 bucks is often gas money for your budget.
 

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As someone who hobbied when there were actual agencies in this city, it was ten thousand times more convenient for the customer. You could see who all was on that night by looking at the agency posting, call any night, and almost every single time have a great experience for about 20 bucks more than what the going independent rate was. It was a sure thing. Now there are no agencies because "we arent Toronto or Montreal", even though we had them before and werent Toronto or Montreal. Yes, there were expensive options back then too, but you could have a sure thing, from a known entity, for 140hh. People can charge what they want and run any sort of enterprise they chose, but I do miss the agency days and I'm one of those who are less likely to spend without the "safety" and ease of selection that came with an agency.
 
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The implication here is that these people aren’t working for their salary but are squandering tax payer dollars on high priced providers.

I’m willing to wager that if you are earning a six figure salary, you probably had to work hard at one point or another to get there.

I am thankful for these people because they attract the out of town ladies and keep the existing ones in business. Albeit a lot less lately.
if they take time off, if usually because they have it in their bank. I don't know
The law state that if you profit from someone offering sexual activity you can be charged with criminal offence and go to jail.
Spas are supposed to have a body rub licence.
The ones that doesn’t are in the grey zone and are renting the facilities. An agency would not have facilities to rent.

The laws are made so they’re all contestable , but bottom line is , it would be lawyers, a lot of $$$ and a shit show to run because of how laws are made. I am not into drama so I will wait for the law to evolve. If it ever does.
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So why do they exist in Mtl and Toronto, some of them of long standing. The law doesn't seem to prevent them from operating in what is obvious. So how do they do it without being harassed or charged by the authorities and why should it be any different here?....
 

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The law state that if you profit from someone offering sexual activity you can be charged with criminal offence and go to jail.
Spas are supposed to have a body rub licence.
The ones that doesn’t are in the grey zone and are renting the facilities. An agency would not have facilities to rent.

The laws are made so they’re all contestable , but bottom line is , it would be lawyers, a lot of $$$ and a shit show to run because of how laws are made. I am not into drama so I will wait for the law to evolve. If it ever does.
That doesn't make any sense. If the law makes it forbidden to operate an agency then why is there dozens of agencies operating between Toronto and Montreal and why can't Ottawa have a single agency. Are the laws in Ottawa different than MTL and Toronto? I don't think so.
 
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If it ever come legal to have an agency , I would gladly open one. I wish I could have an agency offering good working conditions for providers and peace of mind for clients.

As a provider in the industry for a long time , I understand the struggle of being indy and I also understand clients needs. I wish I could open an agency where the girls could keep their money like a non lucrative organisation. I have no idea how I would do that , but I am sure between girls we could find a way.

Right now the law is simply made in a way that it makes it illegal to operate an agency , but if only the gouv could evolve and work with us instead of against us.

Oh well ... It doesn’t cost anything to dream ;)
And yet there are how many agencies in Toronto and Montreal?
 

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That doesn't make any sense. If the law makes it forbidden to operate an agency then why is there dozens of agencies operating between Toronto and Montreal and why can't Ottawa have a single agency. Are the laws in Ottawa different than MTL and Toronto? I don't think so.
The problem here in Ottawa is that there are only so many people in a city who want to get into that particular type of business, and the one's here who do, have chosen to operate spas rather than agencies.
 

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I know.
Happy grey zone.
They’re taking a risk that I am not willing to take.

If you take a look at the laws or talk to a lawyer you’ll be very surprised of what consequences they could face.
Doesnt seem to bother the people in Montreal or Toronto, they must know they arent going to get charged.
 

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Its not because they exist that they’re legal.
If I ever start something , I want it to be fully legal.
Existing in the grey zone would stress me.
I was thinking of opening one years ago and after talking with lawyers, I changed my mind.

It’s too risky and the major goal would be to offer peace of mind, security and good working conditions. If I can’t offer that, there’s no point.

Hopefully, the gouv will eventually understand that making it legal would not only create security and better conditions , but also low criminality rates.

It’s so stupid that you need to walk on eggs just to satisfy a very basic and natural need.
Probably starts with canvassing politicians. No one thought that pot would be legal 10 or 15 years ago.
 
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I will leave a link here for the ones that are interested of reading it. It’s from Gouv of Canada. Super easy text about the topic.. Easy FAQ to read.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/c36faq/
That's great.You dont want to open an agency, we get that. I wish you well in your current and future opportunities. However, the fact that probably 20 agencies are advertising, TODAY, on Terb on the Toronto page tells me they know they can make money and avoid any troubles. So they do exist, people are able to run them without getting into difficulties and there's more than enough money to go around.
 
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fibrewax

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Back to pricing.
I may be the only one in this thread to say it, but there is no way that 120.00 or 140.00 is pocket change.
If someone wants to charge you more, and you are willing to pay that amount, then all the best to you.
With the rates as high as they are now, I will hold onto my money a while longer.
Services provided by the plethora of providers is extremely inconsistent in quality and services actually offered.
There is no way I will accept that the current rates are the new minimum wage for a provider.
Good luck to you all.
 
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1. Many escorts have raised their rates to un-affordable amounts. Many of them have done so during a financial crisis and pandemic of all times! That is a serious head shaker! Although in the last 2 weeks, I've noticed many have dropped them back down to the city's norm. Probably due to the influx of supply (more escorts are posting now).

2. The OIC has degraded the scene in Ottawa for the clients with their rate increase and screening (deposits, ID required, client list, blacklisting, pressure on other escorts, etc). Some new upcoming escorts learn the ropes from these men-hating Twitter-ranting escorts.

3. Many guys (not all) are settling for the overpriced and undelivered Spa scenes which have totally degraded the escort scene in Ottawa.

4. The real-to-fakers ratio on LL has decreased to a horrible state. Back in 2016 and 2017, on Backpage, it was a struggle deciding which escort should be booked between the locals, touring, and new TOFTT talent. On any given day, there were 5-10 great prospects all at 100-140/hh including dfk & bbbj. Nowadays, it’s hard to find 5-10 per week that falls in that category. Although it has gotten a little better in the past weeks now imo. The fact that there aren't any escort agencies in Ottawa isn’t helping the posts on Leolist either.

5. Too many loser-clients (boundary pusher, unsafe service seekers, cheap negotiators, fakebooking by pimps and local providers, etc) in this city that touring escorts don't tour anymore.

6. Of course, Covid did a real number on the whole planet.
As consumers, I think we'd be better served by having a number of Agencies to chose from. Bring back the days of Pink Kitty and the two Asian agencies (albeit with more legit staffing). It would keep the price stable for us, provide for ease of booking and peace of mind with the knowledge that this is a quality Agency with quality people working for it.
 

fibrewax

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Alison, I have seen you once before, and paid more than I would usually feel comfortable with, but you were sweet and I had a good time. In general, however, my opinion is that prices are simply too high now.
 

westcityside

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There’s plenty of providers at different rates for every type of budget. It’s just difficult to find them because you guys have to filter the scams on the advertisement sites.
The system as it is, is useless and that's why people go to spas, it's an easy choice. There's a reason agencies exist, so the consumer doesnt have to run around and filter through scams. He/she gets a quality experience with little delay, really thats all any of us want. Not everyone wants to spend 300-400 hr, that market will always be there though so those providers will always make money. Where there IS a market, is for the consumer who will pay 160 hhr for a known entity in a safe environment. There's a lot of money being left on the table here, it's truly surprising that no one is attempting to take that $ with an agency, particularly with all the safe govt and high tech salaries here.
 
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I might get lapidated (not sure it’s a real word) , but since we are in the subject I would like to explain my side of the « rates upgrade »..

I am answering to clients and reading Terb almost everyday and what I see is that you guys want reasonable rates. BUT .. You also want Dfk , upscale location, none rush service, great connection , daty, dato , Bj & Fs.

When I first started in this industry , the only thing the guys were looking for was sf2 , hj and bs.
The rates was matching the services.
Now the services wanted have upgraded and it’s natural I guess. Everything evolve (well most everything) , but you still are looking for the same rates.

All of this doesn’t necessarily apply to me since like everybody knows , I am anal on my no fluids exchange policy. But I still receive tons of inquiries and I would say that a good 50% are about the services I just listed.

To be very blunt (not in a negative way) how are we (providers) are supposed to deal with the upgrade of services and refusal to upgrade the rates ?

Just nicely asking your 50 cents.

Ps.Fibrewax, I am glad you enjoyed your session ;)xx
I think it's great that you charge what you charge. Everyone should have that right and that freedom.
 
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To be blunt Alison, I booked you once and it was enough: you are too restrictive and nowhere close to the GFE. So I don't know what "upgrade of services" you are talking about!?

My 50 cents 😉
 
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