Is it me or has the offering in the region gone down the tube

[westcityside]

lol, for real

Every time I hear about Ottawa clients from a visiting companion (either via in-person convos or through following their adventures online) it's horror stories, wall-to-wall. Dudes who are entitled, cheap, demanding, awkward/mute/nervous, into weird shit but unable to communicate, who fail to handle their ass and ballsack hygiene game... all the greatest hits.

I don't know what it is about the character of this city that consistently produces such pond scum, but there's a pretty compelling consensus that it's the reality of things.

Only a self-destructively masochistic person would want to found and run an agency here. Like, the pathological kind of masochism, not the fun kind.

And yet all of the spas seem to survive just fine, interesting

 

[westcityside]

No agency advertises that you're going to get full service from one of their girls either, they just say you're sharing time with them and that's all you're paying for. Everything is just read between the lines.

Please, an Agency provides FS and a Spa provides the minimum.

 

[westcityside]

For something that's never explicitly stated, how do you know for sure?

Why even bother replying to that, nothing on tv tonight? People are having a serious conversation here.

 

[solo223]

Please, an Agency provides FS and a Spa provides the minimum.

that could be contested....lol

 

[Alison_xox]

I think that's the old law, the new laws (C-36) allow sex workers to get accommodations, buy ads, hire security, etc. It also allows them to group together in associations and cooperatives. An agency would fall into that category.

The old law was worded imprecisely to handle pimping, but it could've easily been misconstrued to include family members of a sex worker as "living off the avails". I don't think it was ever actually misconstrued that way in real life, but the courts were persuaded by the hypotheticals and thus struck down the old laws because of these problems. Pimping is now more directly handled by the human trafficking laws, so the "living off the avails" laws are no longer needed.

About the only thing made still illegal by C-36 is the purchase of said services. Legal to sell it, illegal to buy it. That made sense in some lawmaker's mind, I assume.

The spas have found a way to operate within this new law. In fact, they found a way to thrive under it. They are obviously fulfilling a need. I don't see how their services are all that different than what an agency would've done too. Yet, spas are thriving, agencies are virtually extinct.

Very interesting.
I will look into it and talk to a lawyer to see what's possible.
Thanks xo

 

[gibarian]

I don't think he bothered reading the FAQ you posted.

Q1. Is prostitution a legal activity?
A1. No. The effect of Bill C-36 is to criminalize prostitution. Prostitution is a transaction that involves both the purchase and the sale of sexual services. Bill C-36’s new offence that prohibits purchasing sexual services makes the prostitution transaction illegal.
This means that purchasing sexual services is illegal and businesses that profit from the prostitution transaction are also illegal.

Q6. Can a person manage, work for, or otherwise participate in, a business that offers sexual services for sale?
A6. Receiving money or any other material benefit from the prostitution of others in the context of a commercial enterprise that offers sexual services for sale is a criminal offence. Such a commercial enterprise necessarily involves third parties who profit from the sale of others’ sexual services. This means that it is illegal to earn money, for example, by managing or working for a commercial enterprise, such as a strip club, massage parlour or escort agency, knowing that sexual services are purchased there.

I don't think an agency -- as they are often run, with owners, managers, etc. -- could be construed as an "association" or a "cooperative."

OIC is an example of a cooperative (and half the guys on the board, including several in this thread, are viciously opposed to that sort of organizing).

 

[blazer50]

I don't think he bothered reading the FAQ you posted.



I don't think an agency -- as they are often run, with owners, managers, etc. -- could be construed as an "association" or a "cooperative."

OIC is an example of a cooperative (and half the guys on the board, including several in this thread, are viciously opposed to that sort of organizing).

Prostitution is legal. Purchasing for the purposes of sexual touching is not. However read lower court decision dated Feb 20 2020 in London ON regarding an agency.

 

[JohnnyFever]

Well, this thread certainly spun off. With regards to civil servant salaries, I was thinking mostly of veteran IT levels. With 10 to 15 years of regular annual increases as set by union collective agreements, $100,000 is not far-fetched. Besides, stability is as important as salary - the best part of a government job is knowing that you'll probably still have it ten years from now. That gives you the freedom to enjoy life's luxuries, like expensive providers. I've been doing this for decades now and have never spent more than $250 an hour, but I've also been out of the government for most of that time.

BTW, I wasn't dissing the public sector when I say I find it funny to think how much taxpayer money goes into the Ottawa sex trade, just poking fun at the upright citizens of this country who would be horrified at the thought.

 

[solo223]

Yes, obviously not every single client in Ottawa is a shibtag.

But when you're talking about reasons people don't tour here, or agencies don't establish here, etc. then it's the reputation of the city that matters... not each of our individual assessments of ourselves as a client.

And Ottawa seems to be considered, at best, a not-very-profitable/active destination, and at worst a hive for the behaviours I described above. Like I said, that surprised me. I would've thought the impersonal urban sprawl of Toronto or the conservative oil industry hellscape of the west would generate worse clientele, but a lot of SWs seem to report otherwise.
.

I still think this is being overstated, i'm sure there is plenty of these shit bags in Mtl or Tor, but being much larger cities they are probably drowned out by the more decent regular dudes who book. Ottawa is not that large city, so my opinion is the fringe lot of assholes, dirty scrotums, slack jawed yokels or whatever you want to call 'em stand out more than in a city with a population of 4 or 6 millions. That's probably true as well of the fakes and skanks who provide either bad service or none at all.

 

[AstroDog]

lol, for real

Every time I hear about Ottawa clients from a visiting companion (either via in-person convos or through following their adventures online) it's horror stories, wall-to-wall. Dudes who are entitled, cheap, demanding, awkward/mute/nervous, into weird shit but unable to communicate, who fail to handle their ass and ballsack hygiene game... all the greatest hits.

Why beat around the bush, Lil Ms. Gib? You're not hearing this from other girls, you're doing all of the sniffing of ballsacks and asses yourself in your experience in your own business.

I don't know what it is about the character of this city that consistently produces such pond scum, but there's a pretty compelling consensus that it's the reality of things.

A consensus of one? Knowing your rivalries with other providers, are they going to be telling you such intimate details? I mean your disdain for guys ("pond scum") is easy for all to see, but somebody with such disdain for one group of people doesn't reserve it just for that set of people, they will also have problems against other groups of people, including their own people (i.e. providers).

 

[gibarian]

Why beat around the bush, Lil Ms. Gib? You're not hearing this from other girls, you're doing all of the sniffing of ballsacks and asses yourself in your experience in your own business.


A consensus of one? Knowing your rivalries with other providers, are they going to be telling you such intimate details? I mean your disdain for guys ("pond scum") is easy for all to see, but somebody with such disdain for one group of people doesn't reserve it just for that set of people, they will also have problems against other groups of people, including their own people (i.e. providers).

You're an alternate account of Showbizz, yes?

Because you:
- are a new account
- started posting immediately after Showbizz returned from a hiatus
- use the same dumb nicknames for me that Showbizz uses
- are as deluded as Showbizz in thinking that a pro-SW poster couldn't be anything but an escort in disguise

We already knew you were a snake who was scared of being held to account (ie. deleting your old posts and pretending they didn't exist), so I'm not surprised you switched names without copping to it.

 

[AstroDog]

You're an alternate account of Showbizz, yes?

You gonna tell me who your alternate account is? You know your service provider account name. LOL, didn't think so.

If I was Showbizz's alternate account then why would he as you say need to come out of hiding? Logic is not your strong suit is it, especially after you screwed up and revealed your true identity as a service provider. You keep digging the hole a little deeper trying to cover it back up, but that rabbit isn't going back in that hole again.

 

[Mod123]

smh