That's great.You dont want to open an agency, we get that. I wish you well in your current and future opportunities. However, the fact that probably 20 agencies are advertising, TODAY, on Terb on the Toronto page tells me they know they can make money and avoid any troubles. So they do exist, people are able to run them without getting into difficulties and there's more than enough money to go around.
Is it me or has the offering in the region gone down the tube
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Back to pricing.
I may be the only one in this thread to say it, but there is no way that 120.00 or 140.00 is pocket change.
If someone wants to charge you more, and you are willing to pay that amount, then all the best to you.
With the rates as high as they are now, I will hold onto my money a while longer.
Services provided by the plethora of providers is extremely inconsistent in quality and services actually offered.
There is no way I will accept that the current rates are the new minimum wage for a provider.
Good luck to you all.
I may be the only one in this thread to say it, but there is no way that 120.00 or 140.00 is pocket change.
If someone wants to charge you more, and you are willing to pay that amount, then all the best to you.
With the rates as high as they are now, I will hold onto my money a while longer.
Services provided by the plethora of providers is extremely inconsistent in quality and services actually offered.
There is no way I will accept that the current rates are the new minimum wage for a provider.
Good luck to you all.
No doubts there. They’re pros of the grey zone loll !
With most probably a couple of court fights under their belt and good lawyers.
There’s plenty of providers at different rates for every type of budget. It’s just difficult to find them because you guys have to filter the scams on the advertisement sites.
Oh and the comment about Oic is just mean.
Oh and the comment about Oic is just mean.
As consumers, I think we'd be better served by having a number of Agencies to chose from. Bring back the days of Pink Kitty and the two Asian agencies (albeit with more legit staffing). It would keep the price stable for us, provide for ease of booking and peace of mind with the knowledge that this is a quality Agency with quality people working for it.
The system as it is, is useless and that's why people go to spas, it's an easy choice. There's a reason agencies exist, so the consumer doesnt have to run around and filter through scams. He/she gets a quality experience with little delay, really thats all any of us want. Not everyone wants to spend 300-400 hr, that market will always be there though so those providers will always make money. Where there IS a market, is for the consumer who will pay 160 hhr for a known entity in a safe environment. There's a lot of money being left on the table here, it's truly surprising that no one is attempting to take that $ with an agency, particularly with all the safe govt and high tech salaries here.
I might get lapidated (not sure it’s a real word) , but since we are in the subject I would like to explain my side of the « rates upgrade »..
I am answering to clients and reading Terb almost everyday and what I see is that you guys want reasonable rates. BUT .. You also want Dfk , upscale location, none rush service, great connection , daty, dato , Bj & Fs.
When I first started in this industry , the only thing the guys were looking for was sf2 , hj and bs.
The rates was matching the services.
Now the services wanted have upgraded and it’s natural I guess. Everything evolve (well most everything) , but you still are looking for the same rates.
All of this doesn’t necessarily apply to me since like everybody knows , I am anal on my no fluids exchange policy. But I still receive tons of inquiries and I would say that a good 50% are about the services I just listed.
To be very blunt (not in a negative way) how are we (providers) are supposed to deal with the upgrade of services and refusal to upgrade the rates ?
Just nicely asking your 50 cents.
Ps.Fibrewax, I am glad you enjoyed your session
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I am answering to clients and reading Terb almost everyday and what I see is that you guys want reasonable rates. BUT .. You also want Dfk , upscale location, none rush service, great connection , daty, dato , Bj & Fs.
When I first started in this industry , the only thing the guys were looking for was sf2 , hj and bs.
The rates was matching the services.
Now the services wanted have upgraded and it’s natural I guess. Everything evolve (well most everything) , but you still are looking for the same rates.
All of this doesn’t necessarily apply to me since like everybody knows , I am anal on my no fluids exchange policy. But I still receive tons of inquiries and I would say that a good 50% are about the services I just listed.
To be very blunt (not in a negative way) how are we (providers) are supposed to deal with the upgrade of services and refusal to upgrade the rates ?
Just nicely asking your 50 cents.
Ps.Fibrewax, I am glad you enjoyed your session
xxI think it's great that you charge what you charge. Everyone should have that right and that freedom.I might get lapidated (not sure it’s a real word) , but since we are in the subject I would like to explain my side of the « rates upgrade »..
I am answering to clients and reading Terb almost everyday and what I see is that you guys want reasonable rates. BUT .. You also want Dfk , upscale location, none rush service, great connection , daty, dato , Bj & Fs.
When I first started in this industry , the only thing the guys were looking for was sf2 , hj and bs.
The rates was matching the services.
Now the services wanted have upgraded and it’s natural I guess. Everything evolve (well most everything) , but you still are looking for the same rates.
All of this doesn’t necessarily apply to me since like everybody knows , I am anal on my no fluids exchange policy. But I still receive tons of inquiries and I would say that a good 50% are about the services I just listed.
To be very blunt (not in a negative way) how are we (providers) are supposed to deal with the upgrade of services and refusal to upgrade the rates ?
Just nicely asking your 50 cents.
Ps.Fibrewax, I am glad you enjoyed your session
I am still waiting for Showbizz reaction.
He have very strong opinions about the industry and we’re both on our side of the industry. I like to read his posts because he’s not afraid to tell what’s on his mind and to explain his point of view.
We don’t often agree with eachother , but we disagree respectfully. We had a few very healthy debates and we both can see the other side of the fence through eachother eyes.
So far he never disrespected me or my opinions. But he gracefully defend his.
I think Terb is a great tool to connect with the other side of the industry and to improve it.
Kisses
Ali
My very honest response to your useless attack
He have very strong opinions about the industry and we’re both on our side of the industry. I like to read his posts because he’s not afraid to tell what’s on his mind and to explain his point of view.
We don’t often agree with eachother , but we disagree respectfully. We had a few very healthy debates and we both can see the other side of the fence through eachother eyes.
So far he never disrespected me or my opinions. But he gracefully defend his.
I think Terb is a great tool to connect with the other side of the industry and to improve it.
Kisses
Ali
Yes I tend to be distant if a gentleman have hygiene issues. I can only assume it was the case since what you just described is very opposite to my usual session.To be blunt Alison, I booked you once and it was enough: you are too restrictive and nowhere close to the GFE. You rather wear a hazmat suit and touch us with a 6ft pole than getting upclose and intimate. So I don't know what "upgrade of services" you are talking about!? Using a 10ft pole instead of 6ft?
My 50 cents
My very honest response to your useless attack
7 Toronto Agencies advertising today on Terb and 16 Toronto Agencies advertising yesterday.
Who in their right mind would want to start an agency in Ottawa to cater to clients who want all the services, GFE, and at a nice place, but at a rate the same as ,or lower, than this city's average.
You're right, they should open 8 more spas LMAO
To be blunt Alison, I booked you once and it was enough: you are too restrictive and nowhere close to the GFE. You rather wear a hazmat suit and touch us with a 6ft pole than getting upclose and intimate. So I don't know what "upgrade of services" you are talking about!? Using a 10ft pole instead of 6ft?
My 50 cents
She does not hide ''no exchange of body fluids'' ,, so if you went there for GFE you were wasting your money.
Some men want to be as close to 100% safe when it comes to hobbying and are willing to pay for that comfort and still recieve a decent service .
That said don't know what you got ,, but she does awesome cock worship CBJ, and body slides ,, and yes she does have a pole ,, it is not 10 feet , ( I hope not,, have not seen it ) but a strap on .
She also offers very mature conversations at the appropriate times and upscale locations.
lol, for real
Every time I hear about Ottawa clients from a visiting companion (either via in-person convos or through following their adventures online) it's horror stories, wall-to-wall. Dudes who are entitled, cheap, demanding, awkward/mute/nervous, into weird shit but unable to communicate, who fail to handle their ass and ballsack hygiene game... all the greatest hits.
I don't know what it is about the character of this city that consistently produces such pond scum, but there's a pretty compelling consensus that it's the reality of things.
Only a self-destructively masochistic person would want to found and run an agency here. Like, the pathological kind of masochism, not the fun kind.
i'm sorry to hear that but don't bag everyone in the same dirt. I always present myself impeccably clean and respectful, i always bring wine and a small gift to show my appreciation. I don't ask for services that wasn't agreed upon prior. If something else is offered at an extra i'll consider but i usually stick to my motto. I'm sure there are more of me out there.
On the other hand, i can tell you that a lot of SW's don't deliver promised services, give crappy service, do not honor time, are disrespectful by using their phones during an encounter and just want you out asap just as there are good quality girls who really make an effort to please.
So it goes both ways...some clients might be shit bags, but there's also a lot of SW's who shortchange. Some complain about no-shows and hooo how much they lost...but i've experienced quite a few last minute cancellation from SW over time with ridiculous excuses to justify it. SW who experience this now want deposits but when they cancel they don't give a thought to our time spent getting ready, providing that little extra to please them (ie flowers, gifts etc...)...drive down to the location. There are always 2 sides to a coin.
So hmmm yeah, plenty of shit bags out there and plenty of skanks too.. plenty of cool guys and gals too, just the way it is.
Yes, obviously not every single client in Ottawa is a shibtag.
But when you're talking about reasons people don't tour here, or agencies don't establish here, etc. then it's the reputation of the city that matters... not each of our individual assessments of ourselves as a client.
And Ottawa seems to be considered, at best, a not-very-profitable/active destination, and at worst a hive for the behaviours I described above. Like I said, that surprised me. I would've thought the impersonal urban sprawl of Toronto or the conservative oil industry hellscape of the west would generate worse clientele, but a lot of SWs seem to report otherwise.
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YourFrenchLady is pretty much doing that, and seem to have some success... Hosting in Gatineau on top of that! (not that I complain, it is perfect location for my WFH current position...)
All the agencies in Montreal offer nicely appointed condos. Don’t know why Alison says agencies don’t have Incall problems or costs. And yes, $230 and others $240 for a beautiful woman and full GFE. There is no comparison to Ottawa at all; blows our town out of the water.
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