Sweden COVID-19 Death Rate Lower Than Spain, Italy and U.K., Despite Never Having Lockdown

[doggystyle99]

And as I pointed out earlier, this is most likely due to other factors.
Sweden has the 2nd highest asthma rate in the world: https://www.google.ca/search?lr=&as_qdr=all&sxsrf=ALeKk03vG3OxKZdjSKF1tu4gb6cQlZnwkw:1597491389588&ei=vcg3X5a1I4-xggfCtqTgCg&q=which+country+has+the+highest+asthma+rate&oq=which+country+has+the&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIIxAnMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAOgQIABBHOgcIABCxAxBDOgQIABBDOgcIABAUEIcCOgIILlC_CVj0HmCWLWgAcAF4AIABswGIAfIPkgEDOS45mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab

The biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public.
Specially when compared to their Nordic bordering neighbour countries that they share so many sociological similarities with.

But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing or no mandated use of masks.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public

Show proof of this please

But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing and no mandated use of masks

Where did I ever say we shouldnt have shutdowns, or social distancing??
Please quote my exact post. I'll be waiting

 

[doggystyle99]

Where did I ever say we shouldnt have shutdowns, or social distancing??
Please quote my exact post. I'll be waiting

ReRead the post
I clearly state 3 different reasons which you purposely left out the last part which your irrational argument is based on.
Here is the post again.


“
But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing and no mandated use of masks.”

Show proof of this please

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public.
The proof is there for everyone to see but not everyone will understand it.
The number of cases, deaths, as well the number of cases/million and number of deaths/million is unbelievably higher in Sweden and the number of testing/million population is far lower in Sweden than it is in Denmark, Finland, or Norway, these Nordic countries all share so many sociological similarities to one another and all saw the spread of the Coronavirus in the same timeframe.

From early on in the “Sweden Success” nonsense people ignorantly compared Sweden to countries such as Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, Spain, France, and Italy, but dropped some of those countries when Sweden’s numbers became higher. Meanwhile purposely avoiding the importance of the sociological makeup Nordic nations share and trying not to make any comparison to the Nordic bordering countries such as Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

But hey feel free to ignorantly continue to compare Sweden to other nations while downplaying the higher relevance to the other Nordic countries.

 

[squeezer]

ReRead the post
I clearly state 3 different reasons which you purposely left out the last part which your irrational argument is based on.
Here is the post again.


“
But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing and no mandated use of masks.”



It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public.
The proof is there for everyone to see but not everyone will understand it.
The number of cases, deaths, as well the number of cases/million and number of deaths/million is unbelievably higher in Sweden and the number of testing/million population is far lower in Sweden than it is in Denmark, Finland, or Norway, these Nordic countries all share so many sociological similarities to one another and all saw the spread of the Coronavirus in the same timeframe.

From early on in the “Sweden Success” nonsense people ignorantly compared Sweden to countries such as Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, Spain, France, and Italy, but dropped some of those countries when Sweden’s numbers became higher. Meanwhile purposely avoiding the importance of the sociological makeup Nordic nations share and trying not to make any comparison to the Nordic bordering countries such as Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

But hey feel free to ignorantly continue to compare Sweden to other nations while downplaying the higher relevance to the other Nordic countries.

Its the radical right-wing spin. It's horrific to witness first hand how many gullible nonsensical folks live in modern cities. I could understand backward thinking coming from folks from a third world country but from countries like Canada and especially the US it's alarming.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

ReRead the post
I clearly state 3 different reasons which you purposely left out the last part which your irrational argument is based on.
Here is the post again.


“
But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing and no mandated use of masks.”



It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public.
The proof is there for everyone to see but not everyone will understand it.
The number of cases, deaths, as well the number of cases/million and number of deaths/million is unbelievably higher in Sweden and the number of testing/million population is far lower in Sweden than it is in Denmark, Finland, or Norway, these Nordic countries all share so many sociological similarities to one another and all saw the spread of the Coronavirus in the same timeframe.

From early on in the “Sweden Success” nonsense people ignorantly compared Sweden to countries such as Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, Spain, France, and Italy, but dropped some of those countries when Sweden’s numbers became higher. Meanwhile purposely avoiding the importance of the sociological makeup Nordic nations share and trying not to make any comparison to the Nordic bordering countries such as Denmark, Finland, and Norway.

But hey feel free to ignorantly continue to compare Sweden to other nations while downplaying the higher relevance to the other Nordic countries.

Again, where did I ever say we shouldnt have shutdowns, or social distancing??
Please quote my exact post. I'll be waiting

 

[doggystyle99]

Again, where did I ever say we shouldnt have shutdowns, or social distancing??
Please quote my exact post. I'll be waiting

LOL you really can't read and understand what I wrote, Here I highlighted the important words which give meaning to the post.
Keyword is "Or no mandated use of masks"

The biggest contributing factor to the unnecessarily high numbers of deaths and numbers of cases in Sweden which could have been avoided is the fact that they didn’t institute shutdowns, and they didn’t mandate the use of masks in public.
Specially when compared to their Nordic bordering neighbour countries that they share so many sociological similarities with.

But hey feel free to continue to try and come up with reasons to defend the “Sweden Success” nonsense as a way In attempting to try to justify no shutdowns, no social distancing
or no mandated use of masks.

 

[shack]

Show proof of this please

Show proof that asthmatics suffered a statistically significant high number of cases/deaths in Sweden. Just because Sweden has more asthmatics is not proof. It is simply a conjecture (AKA a wild guess out of left field). You have shown no proof that this is true. At least, by trying to explain a reason why, your statement was acknowledgement that Sweden had a a higher rate than their neighbours.

 

[lenny2]

And as I pointed out earlier, this is most likely due to other factors.
Sweden has the 2nd highest asthma rate in the world: https://www.google.ca/search?lr=&as_qdr=all&sxsrf=ALeKk03vG3OxKZdjSKF1tu4gb6cQlZnwkw:1597491389588&ei=vcg3X5a1I4-xggfCtqTgCg&q=which+country+has+the+highest+asthma+rate&oq=which+country+has+the&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIIxAnMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAOgQIABBHOgcIABCxAxBDOgQIABBDOgcIABAUEIcCOgIILlC_CVj0HmCWLWgAcAF4AIABswGIAfIPkgEDOS45mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab

The evidence spoken of by health authorities i've read does not support that those with asthma are at high risk re C-19 or at any more risk from C-19 than presumed healthy individuals.

Moreover it's questionable that the asthma prevelance in Sweden compared to its neighbouring countries is significant in and of itself. And also extemely doubtful that it has had much of an impact on the horrificly higher death totals from C-19 that Sweden has suffered relative to its neighbours Finland, Denmark & Norway.

"Approximately 6% to 8% of Swedish and Danish children have asthma..."

asthma prevalence by country sweden denmark - Google Zoeken

www.google.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The evidence spoken of by health authorities i've read does not support that those with asthma are at high risk re C-19 or at any more risk from C-19 than presumed healthy individual

Bullshit!

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

Currently there are limited data and information about the impact of underlying medical conditions and whether they increase the risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Based on what we know at this time, people with the following conditions might be at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19:

• Asthma (moderate-to-severe)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

LOL you really can't read and understand what I wrote, Here I highlighted the important words which give meaning to the post.
Keyword is "Or no mandated use of masks"

Thats what I thought. You cant post a link where I'm against social distancing, partial lockdowns or in some cases wearing masks (like public transport or healthcare facilities).

All you do is ramble, doggy. Thats why so many people have you on ignore

 

[lenny2]

Bullshit!

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

How can you call bullshit on what i read when you don't even know what i read? Take a look at this, for example:

"And although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that patients with moderate-severe asthma could be at greater risk for more severe disease, there are no published data to support this determination at this time."

COVID-19 and Asthma: What Patients Need to Know | AAAAI

The AAAAI offers articles written and reviewed by experts on asthma. This article talks about COVID-19 and asthma: what patients need to know.

www.aaaai.org

So they don't know. When the CDC says they "might be at increased risk", that means they might not be at increased risk. And they don't know. IOW they are clueless.

Furthermore, you ignored this:

Moreover it's questionable that the asthma prevelance in Sweden compared to its neighbouring countries is significant in and of itself. And also extemely doubtful that it has had much of an impact on the horrificly higher death totals from C-19 that Sweden has suffered relative to its neighbours Finland, Denmark & Norway.

"Approximately 6% to 8% of Swedish and Danish children have asthma..."

asthma prevalence by country sweden denmark - Google zoeken

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How can you call bullshit on what i read when you don't even know what i read? Take a look at this, for example:

"And although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that patients with moderate-severe asthma could be at greater risk for more severe disease, there are no published data to support this determination at this time."

COVID-19 and Asthma: What Patients Need to Know | AAAAI

The AAAAI offers articles written and reviewed by experts on asthma. This article talks about COVID-19 and asthma: what patients need to know.

www.aaaai.org

So they don't know. When the CDC says they "might be at increased risk", that means they might not be at increased risk. And they don't know. IOW they are clueless.

Furthermore, you ignored this:

Moreover it's questionable that the asthma prevelance in Sweden compared to its neighbouring countries is significant in and of itself. And also extemely doubtful that it has had much of an impact on the horrificly higher death totals from C-19 that Sweden has suffered relative to its neighbours Finland, Denmark & Norway.

"Approximately 6% to 8% of Swedish and Danish children have asthma..."

asthma prevalence by country sweden denmark - Google zoeken

Thats not what this study says. It has it at 21.6% in Sweden: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3353191/

Granted it was from 2012, but I doubt the numbers have changed all that much since then.

Also, many scientists do believe asthma is major co-factor in contracting severe Covid-19: https://asthma.ca/coronavirus-covid-19-and-asthma/

If you have a chronic respiratory illness or a condition that can compromise respiratory function, it is possible that you may experience more severe symptoms if you contract coronavirus (COVID-19).


As a number of the symptoms are respiratory, it is important that you monitor your symptoms carefully, look out for additional symptoms listed above, and contact your healthcare provider by phone if you have any concerns.


You should always ensure that you are properly managing your asthma by taking your controller medications as prescribed, carrying your reliever medication with you at all times, following an Asthma Action Plan and ensuring that you and your loved ones know what to do in case of an asthma attack

 

[doggystyle99]

Thats what I thought. You cant post a link where I'm against social distancing, partial lockdowns or in some cases wearing masks (like public transport or healthcare facilities).

All you do is ramble, doggy. Thats why so many people have you on ignore

You clearly have reading and comprehension issues.
Again your argument is based on the fact that you don't think masks should be mandated for use everywhere and that is exactly what I alluded to in my post.

As for your irrational and ignorant attempt to use any possible argument you can think of to label "Sweden Success" you simply are very misinformed.

Your assumption that Sweden has made masks mandatory on public transit is false.
In July which was 7 months into a pandemic last month the Swedish public transport authority and not the government handed out 50,000 masks to it's riders, it hasn't made it mandatory to be worn on public transport.

"Masks aren't required for people using its transport, but those who have a season ticket and wish to wear one will be able to collect the equipment for free."

https://www.thelocal.se/20200710/swedish-public-transport-operator-to-give-out-free-face-masks

Your assertion that Asthma was a large contributor to the deaths in Sweden is false as well.
Sweden has roughly 50% of it's deaths attributed to long term health care facilities and there simply is no proof a large portion of those deaths are to people with Asthma. If it was attributed to Asthma it would have been reported. The leading contributing factor to deaths in Sweden is LTCH as well as the government not implementing social distancing and shutdowns right away, they actually waited for over a month before they limited and stopped visitors to LTCH which was a large contributing factor to the number of deaths itself.
Perhaps you being the "Stable Genius" mind that you are can let the Swedish government and the world know Asthma is a large contributor to deaths in Sweden and not anything else.

Well for starters Sweden has the 2nd highest asthma rate in the world at 20%. Thats 1 in 5.:

Google Search

I would think that would contribute to their death rate by quite a bit

I've posted a lot of links in this thread that explains the Swedish failure go read, and educate yourself on the subject.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-says-its-coronavirus-approach-has-worked-the-numbers-show-a-different-story.710402/

 

[lenny2]

Thats not what this study says. It has it at 21.6% in Sweden: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3353191/

Granted it was from 2012, but I doubt the numbers have changed all that much since then.

Maybe more recent figures were more accurate. In any case the difference between Sweden & its neighbor Denmark as regards asthma prevalence is not great according to what i posted.

"The lifetime prevalence of asthma at age 5 years was 12% in Danish and 16% in Swedish children."

Also, many scientists do believe asthma is major co-factor in contracting severe Covid-19: https://asthma.ca/coronavirus-covid-19-and-asthma/

You haven't posted any yet. Just some speculations about what "could" be or is "possible", IOW they have no evidence & are clueless.

Moreover it's questionable that the asthma prevelance in Sweden compared to its neighbouring countries is significant in and of itself. And also extemely doubtful that it has had much of an impact on the horrificly higher death totals from C-19 that Sweden has suffered relative to its neighbours Finland, Denmark & Norway.

"Approximately 6% to 8% of Swedish and Danish children have asthma..."

asthma prevalence by country sweden denmark - Google zoeken

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

"Approximately 6% to 8% of Swedish and Danish children have asthma..."

asthma prevalence by country sweden denmark - Google zoeken

LOL...thats children. What about adults??
Whats the point in only posting stats for children??!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You clearly have reading and comprehension issues.
Again your argument is based on the fact that you don't think masks should be mandated for use everywhere and that is exactly what I alluded to in my post.

As for your irrational and ignorant attempt to use any possible argument you can think of to label "Sweden Success" you simply are very misinformed.

Your assumption that Sweden has made masks mandatory on public transit is false.
In July which was 7 months into a pandemic last month the Swedish public transport authority and not the government handed out 50,000 masks to it's riders, it hasn't made it mandatory to be worn on public transport.

"Masks aren't required for people using its transport, but those who have a season ticket and wish to wear one will be able to collect the equipment for free."

https://www.thelocal.se/20200710/swedish-public-transport-operator-to-give-out-free-face-masks

Your assertion that Asthma was a large contributor to the deaths in Sweden is false as well.
Sweden has roughly 50% of it's deaths attributed to long term health care facilities and there simply is no proof a large portion of those deaths are to people with Asthma. If it was attributed to Asthma it would have been reported. The leading contributing factor to deaths in Sweden is LTCH as well as the government not implementing social distancing and shutdowns right away, they actually waited for over a month before they limited and stopped visitors to LTCH which was a large contributing factor to the number of deaths itself.
Perhaps you being the "Stable Genius" mind that you are can let the Swedish government and the world know Asthma is a large contributor to deaths in Sweden and not anything else.



I've posted a lot of links in this thread that explains the Swedish failure go read, and educate yourself on the subject.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-says-its-coronavirus-approach-has-worked-the-numbers-show-a-different-story.710402/

You still havent answered my question, post a link where I said I'm against social distancing, partial lockdowns or in some cases wearing masks (like public transport or healthcare facilities).

Do you even know how to post a link??
Here's an example: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/do-you-think-life-exists-on-other-planets.718268/post-6749297
That post very much applies to you btw

 

[doggystyle99]

You still havent answered my question, post a link where I said I'm against social distancing, partial lockdowns or in some cases wearing masks (like public transport or healthcare facilities).

Do you even know how to post a link??
Here's an example: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/do-you-think-life-exists-on-other-planets.718268/post-6749297
That post very much applies to you btw

Lol you still haven't understood that I never claimed you were against all those things. You have claimed numerous times that you are against the wide use of masks everywhere AKA my referrence to the mandated use of masks.
Now go and reread again what I posted perhaps this time you can understand it.

As for your ignorant and irrational non factual assumption that masks were madatory on public transit in Sweden that was a false statement.
As well your non factual assumption that Asthma contributed largely to deaths in Sweden was also false too.
Now go read the other thread there are a lot of links there that will educate those who are willing to read, and comprehend.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-says-its-coronavirus-approach-has-worked-the-numbers-show-a-different-story.710402/

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Lol you still haven't understood that I never claimed you were against all those things. You have claimed numerous times that you are against the wide use of masks everywhere AKA my referrence to the mandated use of masks.
Now go and reread again what I posted perhaps this time you can understand it.

As for your ignorant and irrational non factual assumption that masks were madatory on public transit in Sweden that was a false statement.
As well your non factual assumption that Asthma contributed largely to deaths in Sweden was also false too.
Now go read the other thread there are a lot of links there that will educate those who are willing to read, and comprehend.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-says-its-coronavirus-approach-has-worked-the-numbers-show-a-different-story.710402/

I remember reading a couple of months ago that Sweden only made masks mandatory on public transport.
Maybe they changed their policy since then??

Either way, this only helps my case, so thank you very much.
I will post some graphs tomorrow that prove my case.

Going out for some sunshine now. Toodles

 

[doggystyle99]

I remember reading a couple of months ago that Sweden only made masks mandatory on public transport.
Maybe they changed their policy since then??

Either way, this only helps my case, so thank you very much.
I will post some graphs tomorrow that prove my case.

Going out for some sunshine now. Toodles

They never made masks mandatory anywhere.
Your graphs, anecdotal evidence or assumptions will not help prove your case one bit because “Sweden Success” was a talking point from the alt right in an attempt to reopen businesses originally and now to try and avoid future shutdowns.
It was never based on scientific data.

 

[katsrin]

From what I have observed, it seems most nations have for the most part put public health and the well being of the nation above politics when it comes to dealing with Covid-19. The main exceptions that I know of appear to be Sweden and the U.S.

It is interesting to me that the U.S. right wing seems to be aligned with the Swedish left wing, when it comes to policies for dealing with Covid-19.

Responsibility of the Swedish left for Sweden’s COVID-19 tragedy

Why have the Swedish authorities not taken more vigorous steps to slow the spread of a virus that has taken such an unequal toll?

www.opendemocracy.net

"Responsibility of the Swedish left for Sweden’s COVID-19 tragedy"