Despite your (likely BS) personal anecdote, repeated studies have found the exact opposite.
White Fragility
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As requested by a member.
www.ctvnews.ca
I'm really glad my alma mater has resisted liberal lefty pressure. Our students are admitted based on academic excellence and not because our ancestors might have or could have been slaves 400 years ago.
Programs at 3 of 17 medical schools in Canada aim for equity for Black students
Three of Canada's 17 medical schools have collaborated to initiate an admissions process specifically for Black students starting this year.
www.ctvnews.ca
I'm really glad my alma mater has resisted liberal lefty pressure. Our students are admitted based on academic excellence and not because our ancestors might have or could have been slaves 400 years ago.
Sorry but this seems like an excuse to avoid discussing the power differential and the way some people get deeply offended when minorities ask for equity. Like any 'ism', there may be differences in the way people interpret the concept, what they want done, and how they want to achieve it. The closest analogy I could think of is feminism. At it's basic, it's the idea that men and women should have equal rights. There are some fringe people who think equality means woman should rule for 2000 years but that does nothing to take away from the merit of the basic premise.
And just like with white fragility, male fragility has been on display leading to among other things, the incel movement and people like Marc Lepine.
As I said in a previous post, we can look at it in terms of people in power getting upset at the prospect the disadvantaged may get the same privileged treatment but that doesn't change the fact that in Canada and the US, those people in power are predominately white and male.
Thank you. It helps to see what it is you're referring to.As requested by a member.
Programs at 3 of 17 medical schools in Canada aim for equity for Black students
Three of Canada's 17 medical schools have collaborated to initiate an admissions process specifically for Black students starting this year.
I'm really glad my alma mater has resisted liberal lefty pressure. Our students are admitted based on academic excellence and not because our ancestors might have or could have been slaves 400 years ago.
The article explicitly says the academic requirements are the same. That means the applicants are still elite in both academics and community involvement; they simply have a more diverse group of people reviewing their non-academic profiles. What about this process is so offensive or inappropriate?
I interpreted that statement in the article to mean that the minimum academic requirements are the same for both streams of entry (i.e. pre-requisite courses, completion of an undergraduate degree, taking the MCAT). The competitiveness of admissions (i.e. average GPA and MCAT scores of accepted students, acceptance rate) are more a function of the the size and quality of the applicant pool versus the number of available spots; the former of which the university doesn't have any control over.
Historically, Asians have needed to score much higher than Whites to enter Harvard. Contrary to popular belief, statistically the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action have actually been White women rather than minority groups like Blacks, natives, or Hispanics.
Asian-American Harvard Admits Earned Highest Average SAT Score of Any Racial Group From 1995 to 2013 | News | The Harvard Crimson
Over an 18-year period stretching from 1995 to 2013, Asian-American students admitted to Harvard scored higher on the SAT than did their peer admits from other racial groups, according to data released in the admissions trial.
In plain English it means blacks are competing against other blacks and not against Asians, whites, Jews, etc. So far, my alma mater has resisted a two tier admissions policy.
You followed me first, and now, you want to stop playing? Stop being so fragile.
This is not to say Mr. Obama isn't intelligent but that he entered Harvard while more qualified applicant(s) were declined.
"Mr. Obama has acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, and details about his academic performance might open him up to critics eager to accuse him, probably unfairly, of receiving a free ride, Mr. Kabaservice said."
www.nysun.com
Harvard used to be known as having the best and brightest students, now it is known as having the brightest black students or brightest women students or the brightest native American students, etc.
"Mr. Obama has acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, and details about his academic performance might open him up to critics eager to accuse him, probably unfairly, of receiving a free ride, Mr. Kabaservice said."
Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery | The New York Sun
This article is from the archive of The New York Sun before the launch of its new website in 2022. The Sun has neither altered nor updated such articles but will seek to correct any errors, mis-categorizations or other problems introduced during transfer.
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Harvard used to be known as having the best and brightest students, now it is known as having the brightest black students or brightest women students or the brightest native American students, etc.
I think in reality most schools already have some sort of unofficial a 3 tier system in place, lower standards for underrepresented minorities (black, native), average standards for whites, higher standards/pseudo-quotas on over represented minorities (Asians, Ashkenazi Jews).
Law Enforcement's focus is on the processors and dealers and typically not the user. I bet this is how it works in Canada as well. The users come from all classes of people. The people who get into illegal distribution usually come from the lower classes. Not much unlike Prohibition, the mob and other gangsters were smuggling and producing booze and beer for affluent clientele. Who was the target of Prohibition era law enforcement the mob?
There doesn't have to be some wicked racism behind how law enforcement enforces drug laws. You might just be repeating things you are reading and hearing in the media without giving it critical consideration.
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What if the number of police stops of African-Americans correlated tightly with the amount of crime committed by African-Americans?
If you only knew how many diversity recruiters I have dealt with. You can add diversity/inclusion trainers and minority-owned vendors to that as well.
The simple fact is that most billion dollar plus American enterprises have diversity/inclusion programs in place. Since most HR heads of smaller companies come from larger organizations they bring a diversity/inclusion mindset. The only limitation might be that a workforce of a company located in a rural community will reflect that community and not the national profile. I don't know Canadian recruiting and advancement practices, but perhaps diversity/inclusion is not as outwardly prominent as American companies.
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I don't disagree with any of that. I'm saying you can't assume that any disagreement with your argument is some kind of defense mechanism rather than based in logic. It's trying to win an argument with a label, rather than through merit. Because it's become so easy in modern day society to dismiss criticism with a label.
Like saying "oh, he only disagrees with me because of his white fragility" or the opposite "she only disagrees because she's drowning in white guilt". That's not how you have a discussion.
I think this thread would have been better titled as "My Own White Guilt" or "Why I'm A White Saviour" by the OP
Enlighten me to the rights that these "disadvantaged" people are denied right now in the present. Cite the law for me that is written that is applicable today that denies anyone a right that White people possess. Not something that's implied or is referred to as a "Dog Whistle". An actual law that is in place that says it's ok for someone to be discriminated against because of their race. I'll even acknowledge that Quebec might have some against Muslims but where else?
When it comes to "changing demographics" of a community there's not much White people can do without it being considered racist. If they leave when the demographics change then it's "White Flight" which of course is racist. When they come back into a neighbourhood that's a majority minority one it's called gentrification which I'm sure you know is also racist.
I would agree that Whites hold more power in this society than other races but they're still 70 percent of the population. What else would you expect? Even when Whites are not the majority they will still be the largest single demographic long after you and I are both dust. Obvious question for you. Who likes losing power?
Unlike your family's 200 year history in Canada I am an immigrant who has held 3 different passports and during my life in Canada I have occupied almost every income demographic(sadly not the top one but I do alright). You're likely someone that gets "triggered" a lot easier than I do. I just don't have the tolerance for bullshit that you clearly do. Actually I think your likely sheltered existence and White Guilt makes you a prime target for gaslighting.
The White Saviour Complex that you and the OP both are suffering from is steeped in racism. In your world POC are not responsible or accountable for their own choices and what the outcome of those choices are.
As for the Fragility question. The whole world is more fragile these days. We're now living in an era when saying "All Lives Matter" can result in you being punched in the face or drawing a prophet can get you killed.
You and the OP have both been gaslit into feeling guilty for sins that now only exist in your minds. It's a shame you're both still this gullible
Here's the last paragraph of a review of "White Fragility"
"White Fragility is, in the end, a book about how to make certain educated white readers feel better about themselves. DiAngelo’s outlook rests upon a depiction of Black people as endlessly delicate poster children within this self-gratifying fantasy about how white America needs to think—or, better, stop thinking. Her answer to white fragility, in other words, entails an elaborate and pitilessly dehumanizing condescension toward Black people. The sad truth is that anyone falling under the sway of this blinkered, self-satisfied, punitive stunt of a primer has been taught, by a well-intentioned but tragically misguided pastor, how to be racist in a whole new way."
Sound like anyone you know?
The Dehumanizing Condescension of 'White Fragility'
The popular book aims to combat racism but talks down to Black people.
www.theatlantic.com
