White Fragility

[voldomort]

Did someone say tripe....MmmmmmmmMmm Goood Eatin.

I'm only replying because the like functionality doesn't have a vomiting emojee

It was Democratic President Johnson's "War on Poverty" that destroyed the 2 parents in the house black family. There are more poor black families now than before the "War on Poverty".

It's easier to blame the national anthem, slavery, the "white man" and the police than to admit their own mistakes and shortcomings. Did anyone notice that lefties see racists behind every tree?

Abstract
This study introduces a new sample that links people and families across 1860, 1880, and 1900 census data to explore the intergenerational impact of slavery on black families in the United States. Slaveholding-the number of slaves owned by a single farmer or planter-is used as a proxy for experiences during slavery. Slave family structures varied systematically with slaveholding sizes. Enslaved children on smaller holdings were more likely to be members of single-parent or divided families. On larger holdings, however, children tended to reside in nuclear families. In 1880, a child whose mother had been on a farm with five slaves was 49 % more likely to live in a single-parent household than a child whose mother had been on a farm with 15 slaves. By 1900, slaveholding no longer had an impact. However, children whose parents lived in single-parent households were themselves more likely to live in single-parent households and to have been born outside marriage.
Link to study here

 

[voldomort]

This is not an argument that I think holds up. The U.S. began deindustrializing in the 1960s. This has put tremendous strain on the lower quartile of society. African-Americans had been pushed down for so long. By the time industrial unions became more inclusive, their membership rolls were shrinking. The most senior guys (white) kept their jobs. There were many job losses and far less hiring over the subsequent decades.

And why does nobody talk about the failed war on drugs? How was that not a systematic lockup of blacks (whose grandparents had been slaves)?

 

[WyattEarp]

And why does nobody talk about the failed war on drugs? How was that not a systematic lockup of blacks (whose grandparents had been slaves)?

The war on drugs was the systemic lockup of drug traffickers. Don't make the false equivalence of locking up drug traffickers with persecuting Blacks. Our inner cities are overwhelmed with the extreme violence associated with the drug trade. Don't be fooled by anyone that tells you casual pot smokers were locked up for years.

Yes, our criminal justice system can be reformed to better help people get out of the cycle of crime and violence surrounding the drug trade. However, the laws that were enacted were well intended and were directly associated with combating rising drug usage.

PS- It is highly unlikely any of the Blacks locked up in the War on Drugs were the grandchildren of slaves. I suppose liberal schools and universities don't focus too much on math anymore.

 

[doggystyle99]

Randomly accusing people of being Alt Right is a commonly used strategy by the Radical left. if you disagree with someone you just call someone Alt Right then stick your fingers in your ears like a child. Calling liberals out on their bullshit doesn't mean I am conservative or Republican. Just that liberals and democrats are full of shit.

It wasn’t random I gave you the reason for it but unfortunately you coldn't read and understand it here it is again.
People that spew false opinions as facts while labelling any factual opinions based on actual evidence from their opposition that come from sources such as CNN as fake news are Alt Right and it’s an Alt Right strategy that’s used.

Just like how you falsely claimed for every George Floyd death there are 100,000 other incidents that go by the book. There are no statistics that support this statement. If there are please provide the link I would like to read (no anecdotal opinions from social media).

Unfortunately Alt Right's always label any person who provides facts that's in contradiction of their personal non factual opinion as the radical left which is also another strategy to try and discredit their oppositions factual findings. Because we know what the USA population thinks of socialists and they react to them.

 

[Darts]

so you're saying that US slavery by it's founding fathers isn't really a big deal because there has been slavery everywhere all the time?

Slavery is unjustifiable. Anybody involved should be condemned including blacks who captured other blacks and later sold them should also share in the blame.

 

[Don Draper]

Certainly, almost all Americans desire equal opportunity for all Americans. Things do get contentious when the Black community and their supporters desire more favoritism to redress historic racism. This Black favoritism is all around us in our every day lives. Hiring, admissions, govt. programs targeting black communities and even large businesses having minority business vendor programs.

I'm not making an argument against these programs. I am pointing out that they exist and supporters of the programs want them to expand.

Certainly, you have seen proof - and not just recently but for as long as possibly remembered - that a GREAT DEAL of Americans DO NOT desire equal opportunity for all other Americans. Saying "almost" on your behalf seems like an attempt to minimize a situation that is not diminishing but rather growing.

In particular, it's awful to see the police exercising this methodology. The ones who are supposed to 'serve & protect' are indeed causing the most harm by abusing their positions. It's this fear that Black/Brown/Latino/Asian people will organize themselves and rise that brings White Fragility to light. That makes it so evident.

The Black community isn't desiring more "favoritism", as you wrote. They are looking for Justice and equality for centuries of systematic abuse. This so called "Black Favoritism" doesn't exist. I've even seen this happen at work and had to address it. A white person with two resumes in front of them is more likely to call "Emily" back than "Shaniqua". The joke's on them when "Emily" comes to the office and turns out to be a lovely and professional Black girl.

These programs you mentioned are also a very good thing. I participate and organize them within my field and take some pride when someone I've supervised moves up and ahead to a better position.

 

[WyattEarp]

A white person with two resumes in front of them is more likely to call "Emily" back than "Shaniqua". The joke's on them when "Emily" comes to the office and turns out to be a lovely and professional Black girl.

At the American organizations I have been involved with Shaniqua gets the call back. She also gets promoted within 24 months or some other firm will make her a better offer.

I didn't say I have a problem with advancing African-Americans in the organization and in society. The issue is what is enough. Certain interests with political angles will always call for more (including reparations). Given your propensity for virtue signaling, I am not surprised you fashion yourself as one of the enlightened in your organization.

 

[lessjamie7]

White Fragility: the term is meant to describe any defensive instincts or reactions that a white person experiences when questioned about race or made to consider their own race. White Fragility , views racism in the North America as systemic and often perpetuated unconsciously by individuals.

White Fragility serves to be a defensive response by a white person when their whiteness is highlighted or mentioned, or their worldview is challenged, whether this response is conscious or otherwise. Examples include a white man accusing someone of "playing the race card" or a white woman (Karen) crying to avoid conflict. The term proposes that white people are used to viewing themselves as "raceless" or the "default" race, and as such are insulated from feelings of racial discomfort. It describes racism as systematic rather than overt and conscious, arguing that racial segregation has shaped the United States. Research points that children aged 3 upwards believe it better to be white in North America.

Excellent conversation tonight with friends over this term. Imagine being shaped by a socio/educational system that tells you the great men in history were noble, benevolent creatures. Your parents were taught this, your Grandparents were taught this, it goes back several centuries. You're conditioned to believe in this. Then, as it turns out, these 'Great Men' were slave owners, traders, bigamists, hypocrites, blowhards and opportunists. Most likely, their great deeds were done by Black, Brown or Asian people and they just took the credit.

A couple of my friends were just gobsmacked and had no answers to give (this is a 'Face to Face' conversation, no anonymous board to hide behind). One was so incensed that he left the table (the rest of us paid his bill). Then my friend "Rick", super good guy, as Canadian as you can get, married to a Bollywood Beauty said: "I know I'm a suburban white guy that never had any sort of money or health problems. Somewhere down the line, I must have said or done something nasty to somebody. I'm hoping I didn't mean it. I hope I never do it again."

I paid for Rick's dinner.

" Virtue signalling" the new racism.
LJ

 

[rhuarc29]

White Fragility: the term is meant to describe any defensive instincts or reactions that a white person experiences when questioned about race or made to consider their own race. White Fragility , views racism in the North America as systemic and often perpetuated unconsciously by individuals.

White Fragility: the term is meant to label any dissenting opinion as inherently racist, thus rendering it impotent. White Fragility is a view expressed by the weak-minded, those with an agenda, or the sheep who follow them, often unconsciously.

My problem with how you are defining white fragility Don, is the word "any" in that first part. Because it implies that no dissenting opinion holds merit. Which is an utterly nonsensical way of looking at the world. If you were to say that White people have a socio-economic advantage today due to, at least in part, the heinous actions by Whites against Blacks in generations past, I would not be defensive about that, nor deny it. If, however, you were to state that every issue affecting the Black community today is the direct consequence of these actions and 100% the fault of the White man, I would of course call you a fool. That's not a statement of white fragility, it's a statement of logic.

 

[lessjamie7]

White Fragility: the term is meant to describe any defensive instincts or reactions that a white person experiences when questioned about race or made to consider their own race. White Fragility , views racism in the North America as systemic and often perpetuated unconsciously by individuals.

White Fragility serves to be a defensive response by a white person when their whiteness is highlighted or mentioned, or their worldview is challenged, whether this response is conscious or otherwise. Examples include a white man accusing someone of "playing the race card" or a white woman (Karen) crying to avoid conflict. The term proposes that white people are used to viewing themselves as "raceless" or the "default" race, and as such are insulated from feelings of racial discomfort. It describes racism as systematic rather than overt and conscious, arguing that racial segregation has shaped the United States. Research points that children aged 3 upwards believe it better to be white in North America.

Excellent conversation tonight with friends over this term. Imagine being shaped by a socio/educational system that tells you the great men in history were noble, benevolent creatures. Your parents were taught this, your Grandparents were taught this, it goes back several centuries. You're conditioned to believe in this. Then, as it turns out, these 'Great Men' were slave owners, traders, bigamists, hypocrites, blowhards and opportunists. Most likely, their great deeds were done by Black, Brown or Asian people and they just took the credit.

A couple of my friends were just gobsmacked and had no answers to give (this is a 'Face to Face' conversation, no anonymous board to hide behind). One was so incensed that he left the table (the rest of us paid his bill). Then my friend "Rick", super good guy, as Canadian as you can get, married to a Bollywood Beauty said: "I know I'm a suburban white guy that never had any sort of money or health problems. Somewhere down the line, I must have said or done something nasty to somebody. I'm hoping I didn't mean it. I hope I never do it again."

I paid for Rick's dinner.

 

[lessjamie7]

White Fragility: the term is meant to describe any defensive instincts or reactions that a white person experiences when questioned about race or made to consider their own race. White Fragility , views racism in the North America as systemic and often perpetuated unconsciously by individuals.

White Fragility serves to be a defensive response by a white person when their whiteness is highlighted or mentioned, or their worldview is challenged, whether this response is conscious or otherwise. Examples include a white man accusing someone of "playing the race card" or a white woman (Karen) crying to avoid conflict. The term proposes that white people are used to viewing themselves as "raceless" or the "default" race, and as such are insulated from feelings of racial discomfort. It describes racism as systematic rather than overt and conscious, arguing that racial segregation has shaped the United States. Research points that children aged 3 upwards believe it better to be white in North America.

Excellent conversation tonight with friends over this term. Imagine being shaped by a socio/educational system that tells you the great men in history were noble, benevolent creatures. Your parents were taught this, your Grandparents were taught this, it goes back several centuries. You're conditioned to believe in this. Then, as it turns out, these 'Great Men' were slave owners, traders, bigamists, hypocrites, blowhards and opportunists. Most likely, their great deeds were done by Black, Brown or Asian people and they just took the credit.

A couple of my friends were just gobsmacked and had no answers to give (this is a 'Face to Face' conversation, no anonymous board to hide behind). One was so incensed that he left the table (the rest of us paid his bill). Then my friend "Rick", super good guy, as Canadian as you can get, married to a Bollywood Beauty said: "I know I'm a suburban white guy that never had any sort of money or health problems. Somewhere down the line, I must have said or done something nasty to somebody. I'm hoping I didn't mean it. I hope I never do it again."

I paid for Rick's dinner.

Your content stolen from Ted Talks

University of Washington professor Dr. Robin DiAngelo reads from her book "White Fragility:
Get over yourself pal and if you are going to steal intellectual content don't sell it off as your own.
Instead of paying for Ricks dinner, you should have paid for your plagiarism.
Infusing Dr. DiAngelo's work with your own garbage narrative is as weak and feeble as it gets.

Why not post the link to her video instead of coming up with your own hate infused bastardized bloviated diatribe.

LJ

 

[lessjamie7]

Your content stolen from Ted Talks

University of Washington professor Dr. Robin DiAngelo reads from her book "White Fragility:
Get over yourself pal and if you are going to steal intellectual content don't sell it off as your own.
Instead of paying for Ricks dinner, you should have paid for your plagiarism.
Infusing Dr. DiAngelo's work with your own garbage narrative is as weak and feeble as it gets.

Why not post the link to her video instead of coming up with your own hate infused bastardized bloviated diatribe.

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ey4jgoxeU

LJ

 

[Darts]

Certain interests with political angles will always call for more (including reparations).

Here is just one example. A black person needs an SAT of only 1,100 (I could do that in my sleep) to get into Harvard, a white and Asian person need north of 1,300.

Regarding reparation demands, why don't they pursue the black slave traders who sold their ancestors in the first place?

 

[Smooth60]

DiAngelo isn’t the first person to make a buck pushing tricked-up pseudo-intellectual horseshit as corporate wisdom, but she might be the first to do it selling Hitlerian race theory. '

On “White Fragility”

A few thoughts on America’s smash-hit #1 guide to egghead racialism

taibbi.substack.com

 

[WyattEarp]

DiAngelo isn’t the first person to make a buck pushing tricked-up pseudo-intellectual horseshit as corporate wisdom, but she might be the first to do it selling Hitlerian race theory. '

On “White Fragility”

A few thoughts on America’s smash-hit #1 guide to egghead racialism

taibbi.substack.com

It's hard to take her seriously. When I've heard her speak, I can't help thinking she's laughing her ass off on the way to the bank. She knew there was a big market for cleansing people and organizations of their white guilt. Almost like TV preachers promising to absolve your soul.

 

[basketcase]

Another meaningless one-liner from a nutcase. I'm sure you could use your Google sources to produce less shoddy work. You've had enough practice, over 43,000!!! But don't seem to get better, lol!

I quickly summarized my thoughts but instead of responding on topic you seem far more interested in following my posts.

 

[basketcase]

I already provided a link earlier.

I must have missed it. The only one I recall is Waterloo Engineering ranking high schools but that had nothing to do with race. Could you please re-post it? I'm interested in seeing it.

 

[basketcase]

so you're saying that US slavery by it's founding fathers isn't really a big deal because there has been slavery everywhere all the time? That's like saying I can murder some guy on the street because there has been killing everywhere all the time... I don't see where this argument is going.

It wasn't a big deal at the time because the idea of racial superiority was deeply ensconced in their belief system. Those who it was a big deal two were the victims and they had no voice. Thankfully we (or some of us) are now aware how bad it is and the impact it still has on black Americans.

 

[basketcase]

The war on drugs was the systemic lockup of drug traffickers...

Except its enforcement was mainly focused on cheep street drugs rather than drugs of the upper-class like cocaine. And that is part of the systemic bias against poor (and therefore statistically more often black) accused who were not able to benefit from lawyers and a system willing to give them breaks instead of a permanent record.

Of course there was no interest in policing coke when it was the young politicos in Washington and their friends on Wall Street fuelling the market

 

[basketcase]

... This so called "Black Favoritism" doesn't exist. ...

Sure it does. Black people are obviously the favourites of the police; police obviously stop black people way more often because they want to spend time with them. (that's the reason isn't it?)