Yes. Because the system makes those outcomes more likely.
I have no idea what you are talking about for that Obama bit.
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I guess you didn't read my post because it states they they have never had it better than they do now. I agree it was a lot worse back then but to say it hasn't gotten a lot better is false.
Because my ancestors had the same struggles as the blacks did. They were slaves, the women were raped and forced to have the Turks children and the men were brutalized and killed, so yes I do know what I'm talking about. If they were even accused of a crime there was no trial. They were just killed. My point is that was a long time ago. It's not relevant now. I do agree with you when it comes ti justice. They do get higher sentences for the same crimes. When it comes to that including policing there needs to be much improvement but when it comes to everything else they have the same opportunities as everyone else. If they get a good education. They can make a good life for themselves.
I love it how you dismiss what everyone else went through. Like he said slavery is not unique to the blacks in the U.S. Get over it. Only the black experience matters, Right?
No balck people don't always go to prison when they kill another black. A lot of those crimes go unsolved because you are considered the lowest form of life if you are are rat. Very few are willing to step forward and do the right thing.
Maybe these guys can tell you something from what they have been through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEbUMX1uug
Really? So why does recognition of the Armenian genocide keep coming up?
You also miss a major difference. Your family chose to come here and weren't freed from slavery into sharecropping or factory work which wasn't much different.
I guess you do have a point though, black people today have it better than they did under the whip or Jim Crow (though no idea what that is supposed to prove).
Of course Blacks aren't the only victims over the years. They are the only group that were transported en masse to a new place as slaves then faced a post-slavery world where they still had essentially zero rights.
BTW. My Irish ancestors became indistinguishable from the WASPs when they used the 'proper' way of speaking they learned as indentured servants. Not so easy for descendants of slaves to pretend to be white and escape the racism that was absolutely undeniable for at least 100 years after the civil war.
Those two polices are clear examples of systemic racism.
The only counter argument for the first is the individual racism proposed by darts that blacks are inherently criminal.
The sure as hell should be looking at why its happening. Like with the courts each individual punishment should be considered based on its merits but if nationwide stats are that much out of kilter, it likely means there is something significantly wrong.
The industrial nature of US slavery is what makes it different. Some of my ancestors came to Canada essentially as slaves but when their term of indenture was up, they were allowed to go their way. That is far different to being freed from slavery and immediately being put in debt to try and survive followed by a hundred years of continuing persecution.
p.s. any anti-Irish laws were pretty much gone by WWI and I don't know of any anti-Armenian laws in Ontario but anti-black laws were still on the books in parts of the US 50 years ago.
I'm not Armenian. Check your history again and see who else the Turks brutalized. My family came here to escape the Nazi occupation in their country which wasn't much better than the Turks and all they could get was work in sweatshops at first because they didn't know the language. They also were insulted and rude comments were made to them on a regular basis, yet they never complained because regardless of what they went through they were happy to be in Canada. Are you telling me a job in a sweatshop is better than a sharecropper of factory work. Did you expect them to go straight from slavery into the corporate world?
Yes over 50 years ago yet some of them speak like that exists today which it doesn't. Some leaders keep saying they have been oppressed for 400 years which is not the case
I don't think blacks are in inherently criminal at all. If you listen to men like Denzel Washington and and Morgan Freeman who don't believe in systemic racism. They believe it has to do with the breakdown of the black family. To many black men without father figures to guide them through life and teaching them right from wrong. It's not in their DNA to be criminals.It's not in anyone's.
That is your opinion. You might be inadvertently making a case that society is responsible for crime and disruptive/violent school children. I'm not sure.
Your first response regarding outcomes is a major difference in our views. I don't think you should just solely look at outcomes and declare systemic racism exists. You can say it existed, but I don't agree with the claim it still exists just because a culture, a race has not achieved equal economic outcomes.
As far as the Obama Administration's guidelines for school discipline, let's just say they unduly focus on outcomes and they encouraged teachers to ignore disruptive students in the name of desired outcomes. These Obama/Holder policies were fairly well-known. Don't get too hung up on the Parkland shootings. It's just one incident where opponents of the Obama guidelines felt that the discipline policies had gone awry. There were moves to rollback the guideline before the incident.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-rescind-obama-era-school-discipline-policies
Why did you quote me and said the exact opposite of what I said?
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Not all the blame for black poverty should be placed on blacks....."
