FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

[Butler1000]

Hey guys, can we post anything legal/trial related in the "The Trial of Derek Chauvin" thread. Thanks.

I do agree that C did not intend to kill GF because he could have killed him in much less than 8 minutes.

Lol...

Post in my thread.

Here is my opinion on the charges in this thread.

The cluelessness continues to amaze me.

 

[Gooseifur]

1) Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2) Racist - a person who believes that some races are better than others, or who acts unfairly to someone because of his or her race

3) 1) + 2) = You are a living, walking, talking dictionary definition of a racist who has now documented himself as being an ardent adherent of the dictionary definition of racism.


Your post checks all the boxes and all the elements that constitute being defined as a racist and being defined as an adherent of racism.

Busted! I just can't understand why you would so stridently and blatantly and proudly out yourself in that way? What is wrong with you?


Aaahaaa, It just dawned on me!

It's no wonder now why you rally to the plight of white cops murdering black men; white Georgia rednecks murdering black men; armed white supremacist militia types storming state legislatures, to the cause of white conservative, entitled and privileged values under siege and to defending a white supremacist/privileged President. You feel that the foundational nature of white supremacist/entitled/privileged society is under siege by non whites.

I'm not racist, I don't consider myself better than any other race. There are many people of colour who have done a lot better than I have in my life. I don't defend the cop who killed Floyd. I just don't think it's murder but he should go to jail. I never defended the guys in Georgia, They murdered that guy. I dare you to prove that that I defended them. You're the one that's a racist. You called the demonstrators in Michigan racists or white supremacists. They were protesting a lock down. How is that racist? You don't know me, to call me a racist is offensive to me. How do you know what I feel.?You're the typical left wing nut who has zero tolerance for people who disagree with you. By the way 2 of the 4 cops were not white. I never said any race is better than another, Prove it. Put up or shut up.

 

[Gooseifur]

Two more were right there kneeling on him and watching. Right there.

That's like saying "oh, they only held her down and grabbed her titties while he fucked her. They didn't rape her".

Ya they did. And have been charged correctly.

You go against him by pushing him off. That's the point of the protests. To make it the right thing to do. It's police culture that needs to change. To make brutality WRONG. And to stop protecting the sadists.

I didn't see any video of the other guys kneeling on him. If they did I didn't see it. I have seen multiple cops hold one person down before because sometimes it takes more than one. If that contributed to his death then I guess charges are appropriate.

 

[Don Draper]

As the classic adage goes:

[SIZE=+2]“Never argue with an idiot.

Uhm, no it isnt. Not even close

They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

~ Mark Twain [/SIZE]​

 

[mandrill]

Except that he remained on his neck 3 minutes after Floyd lost consciousness.

That's what it comes down to.

How do you explain that?!.... It's like Forcillo firing into Sammy Yatim's dead body lying on the ground. It's a red flag that the cop was out of control.

 

[Butler1000]

I didn't see any video of the other guys kneeling on him. If they did I didn't see it. I have seen multiple cops hold one person down before because sometimes it takes more than one. If that contributed to his death then I guess charges are appropriate.

Other angles have now to light. Showing from the back of the commonly used footage.

Two more officers were holding him down. Knees on him. The last was keeping the other people back while he pleaded and died.

It's ugly. There are just no mitigating circumstances here.

You also have to understand the optic of white authority and basically a boot to the throat of a Black man as he dies. It's why it's affected so many. The symbolism is so powerful and really represents all if the helplessness and hopelessness millions of Americans are feeling right now about the nation.

43 million now out of work. Yet the stock market is rising. That's tells you that Wall St. knows the govt has their back.

The knee to the throat tells you how the govt feels about the general population.

 

[Gooseifur]

Other angles have now to light. Showing from the back of the commonly used footage.

Two more officers were holding him down. Knees on him. The last was keeping the other people back while he pleaded and died.

It's ugly. There are just no mitigating circumstances here.

You also have to understand the optic of white authority and basically a boot to the throat of a Black man as he dies. It's why it's affected so many. The symbolism is so powerful and really represents all if the helplessness and hopelessness millions of Americans are feeling right now about the nation.

43 million now out of work. Yet the stock market is rising. That's tells you that Wall St. knows the govt has their back.

The knee to the throat tells you how the govt feels about the general population.

I understand the optics. Everything is coming to a head. The general public is fed up with the status quo. That's why Trump won but nothing has changed.

 

[Butler1000]

I understand the optics. Everything is coming to a head. The general public is fed up with the status quo. That's why Trump won but nothing has changed.

Yup. I didn't expect it to. I expected it to become clear. The pandemic and now this are really waking people up.

Everyone condemned me when I said it had to get worse before it gets better.

I honestly think we have only hit the beginning of worse.

 

[Gooseifur]

Yup. I didn't expect it to. I expected it to become clear. The pandemic and now this are really waking people up.

Everyone condemned me when I said it had to get worse before it gets better.

I honestly think we have only hit the beginning of worse.

I agree

 

[Anbarandy]

Continue with your anti-black racism. Keep showing yourself. Many black students have been marked down purposely by racist teachers. I know a few instances personally where things were addressed. I can't say much.

This is not what I am talking about but it's close to being the same elsewhere: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/apr/04/sats-marking-race-stereotypes

I wish you could let go of your obvious anti-black racism and learn about what really goes on in the USA

You can sit there and feel that we are worthless and born stupid, but remember Ben Carson reportedly used to do poorly in school. His situation was different as to how he turned things around, but there are others who were targetted or came up in poorly funded schools.

You really need to start reading widely about Amerikkka's real history and not the glamourised one. Start with how they hid books from black people from the outset (slavery), kept them uneducated, stole/hijacked patents etc etc etc.

I'm not even sure why I am even bothering. You've showed what your all about praying for the acquittals of the murderous cop. You've made up your mind. Blacks are genetically inferior and primitive. No one can change a life long racist's mind. Keep yours.

BTW, here's something on AA: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

It's not all one way...

It's not that way know, yes they still have obstacles today but not nearly as many as you portray. More whites have been killed by police this year than blacks by a number of 371 to 236.

The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it.

1) Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2) Racist - a person who believes that some races are better than others, or who acts unfairly to someone because of his or her race

3) 1) + 2) = You are a living, walking, talking dictionary definition of a racist who has now documented himself as being an ardent adherent of the dictionary definition of racism.


Your post checks all the boxes and all the elements that constitute being defined as a racist and being defined as an adherent of racism.

Busted! I just can't understand why you would so stridently and blatantly and proudly out yourself in that way? What is wrong with you?


Aaahaaa, It just dawned on me!

It's no wonder now why you rally to the plight of white cops murdering black men; white Georgia rednecks murdering black men; armed white supremacist militia types storming state legislatures, to the cause of white conservative, entitled and privileged values under siege and to defending a white supremacist/privileged President. You feel that the foundational nature of white supremacist/entitled/privileged society is under siege by non whites.

I'm not racist, I don't consider myself better than any other race. There are many people of colour who have done a lot better than I have in my life. I don't defend the cop who killed Floyd. I just don't think it's murder but he should go to jail. I never defended the guys in Georgia, They murdered that guy. I dare you to prove that that I defended them. You're the one that's a racist. You called the demonstrators in Michigan racists or white supremacists. They were protesting a lock down. How is that racist? You don't know me, to call me a racist is offensive to me. How do you know what I feel.?You're the typical left wing nut who has zero tolerance for people who disagree with you. By the way 2 of the 4 cops were not white. I never said any race is better than another, Prove it. Put up or shut up.

I have pulled up just a few of your responses which I have highlighted. I can pull up more, they're there.

You may not believe it, or may refuse to believe it but just these 2 examples that I have highlighted are dictionary definitions of racism and racist.

I specifically stated "dictionary definitions" of and "being defined" as racism and racist. Did you miss that?

I honestly think you truly believe that you have not engaged in racist statements and posted statements of racism, but unfortunately you have. You are just not aware that you have nor are you aware as to the different forms that racism manifests itself and the more nuanced racist statements.

Attempting to mitigate the lived experiences stated by black people, or attempting to provide "colored" commentary is a form of racism and a racist mindset.

Examples?

1) "It's not that way know, yes they still have obstacles today but not nearly as many as you portray. More whites have been killed by police this year than blacks by a number of 371 to 236."

>>>> What in the world is that? They were brought over in the bowels of slave ships. Sold as chattel. Whipped, murdered, lynched, attacked by cops and vicious dogs. Well hell yeah, they never had better. Do you really not see your statement as a form of racism and racist ideas?


2) "The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it."

>>>>> Really? R u serious? "It's a mentality"? "The cry of the victimized"? "They never had it better"? "In their community"? Do you really not see your statements as a form of racism and racist ideas?

I'm sorry you are offended, but I also am saddened if you cannot truly comprehend what these posts display.

 

[basketcase]

Any person without criminal record can find minimum-wage job. Yes, it is minimum-wage job and it is very close to poverty, but if children go to school to learn, they can easily get into college and get full financial aid. Lots of immigrants (Korean, Russian) came to US without any money barely able to speak English, yet, most of the were able to go up in life and provide a future to their children

Nice elitist view. Why do you think that so many black Americans are living in poverty despite all the advantages society gives them.

Minimum wage jobs in the US are below the poverty line and children of poor parents often need to work while going through high school (if they can even find a job in their neighbourhood). How well do you think kids can do in school when their schools are underfunded, being taught by whatever people the school can hire for $35,000 a year, have no access to tutors, and having to work full time minimum wage jobs themselves?

 

[basketcase]

Hey if you want to side with the corporations that's fine. I'm happy in Canada with a decent safety net system and comfortable financially.

I would prefer to see the USA more stable. But the powerful won't give up power freely. You know that.

Typical libertarian revolutionary, demanding radical change while depending on the social safety net provided by the system you despise.

And yes, I would happily side with corporations if the other option was a bunch of racist anti-government extremists.

 

[basketcase]

Come on you had to at least appreciate the sheer lunacy to do that. That move was straight from the playground.

And Kayleigh's comparison of Trump to Churchill was as audacious as it gets.

The problem is that much of Trump's base doesn't know who Churchill was.

 

[basketcase]

Mexican? What are you talking about?...

To American wannabes like dart, you are either Black, Mexican, Chinese, or White.

 

[basketcase]

They are, and the fact they went Left on this one proves my point

Just like Michael Moore is a full of shit liberal propagandist until he says something you like, then he's the one voice of truth.

 

[basketcase]

The cry of the victimized. ...

So you think that poor black Americans want to be poor? Also, the percentage of Hispanics living in poverty is much higher than than whites.

Race aside, escaping poverty is very hard. In many cases it takes generations before people can get to a point of stability where their children can get those chances. The racial aspect is that slavery and the after effects put black Americans in poverty and they sat there for 100 years before there was even a hint of the opportunities in the modern world. And despite the 100 years of essentially enforced poverty, people like you come out claiming that it's their own fault while also claiming affirmative action is an attack on human rights.

 

[derrick76]

It's not that way know, yes they still have obstacles today but not nearly as many as you portray. More whites have been killed by police this year than blacks by a number of 371 to 236.

Are you good with numbers? How about statistics to be exact? There about 35-40 million black people in the USA. How many Whites are there?

Examining who were unarmed victims, the actual interaction with police, and also the crimes they were accused of is another story.

 

[derrick76]

The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it.

This is false and everyone knows it. For starters go ask black people in FL about things. While you're there, study the acceptance of Haitians as opposed to Cubans.

 

[derrick76]

This is not going to end well.

The prosecutors, obviously responding to public pressure, have increased the charges from Murder 3/Manslaughter to 2nd degree Murder.
This cop will never be convicted of 2nd degree murder for the simple reason that the charge does not apply.

2nd degree Murder holds a degree of Mens rea that must be proven. In effect, it must be proven in court that this officer intended to kill this man, and was kneeling on his neck specifically to achieve that end. Now anyone with a modicum of sensibility can tell in looking at the video, that the officer was not kneeling on George's neck for the sheer purpose of killing the man.

He was using excessive force. Illegal excessive force, and he did not seem to care that he was doing so.
The man died as a result of the use of this excessive force.

Should the officer have known better?
Damn right, but that doesn't mean he did it with the intention of ending this man's life.
That is Manslaughter.

Now, here is the problem.

The prosecution originally charged the officer with Manslaughter. A charge that most likely would lead to a conviction with a jury, and a jail sentence.
This scumbag cop would have done time for his crime, and justice would have been served.

Now with a Charge of 2nd degree Murder, he is likely not to be convicted by a jury, because not only does the crime not really fit the charge, but juries are famous for being reticent to believe that a cop intended to actually kill a person, when things got out of hand during an arrest. Because it is more likely that in their overzealousness, they simply didn't think about the consequences of their actions.

Now you have a scumbag cop that gets off. Completely. He serves no jail time for his crime, and he can't be tried again for a Manslaughter charge due to double jeopardy.

So this guy walks. Everyone gets pissed, and rioting happens again.
All because of a stupid DA bowing to public pressure, and over playing their hand.

It is very unlikely Chauvin walks. Are you kidding me? He's not going 'free'.

The other 3, I doubt they will get any jail time...especially the one who suggested 'easing up' or turning George over, to which Chauvin said no. This scumbag intended on causing harm and more. He even seemed to press a bit harder when George begged for his life. That was sadistic.

Also, one or two of them were rookies with no complaints.

Chauvin's record is LITTERED with complaints and Tao has a few.

If you think Ellison is stupid, you're a clown. You clowns seem to think he was George's next for 1 or 2 minutes. Yeah, it isn't the DA that's stupid.

Believe that!

 

[Butler1000]

Typical libertarian revolutionary, demanding radical change while depending on the social safety net provided by the system you despise.

And yes, I would happily side with corporations if the other option was a bunch of racist anti-government extremists.

So the protesters are all anti govt racists? Prefer corporations?

How Fox News of you!