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danmand

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As per usual you are completely clueless. Yes some of the air is recirculated, but it goes through High-Efficiency Particle Filters (HEPA) so no bacteria or viruses pass through
Complete nonsense. The air flows right through the whole cabin.
 

GameBoy27

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Complete nonsense. The air flows right through the whole cabin.
Phil C. McNasty is actually correct. In addition, the air in the cabin isn't sealed in. Fresh air is continuously introduced during the flight. The air already in the cabin is passed through HEPA filters to remove bacteria and viruses and then mixed 50:50 with the fresh air from outside. The air in planes is typically cleaner than what you're breathing in most office buildings, stores, movie theaters etc.

Originally, the vast majority of infected people here had it before they got on the plane then spread it to others once they landed and went home. They didn't infect plane loads of people due to recirculated air. Cruise ships on the other hand don't have the same type of air filtration. People are in close proximity to each other for weeks at a time as apposed to being on a plane for a few hours.
 

danmand

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Phil C. McNasty is actually correct. In addition, the air in the cabin isn't sealed in. Fresh air is continuously introduced during the flight. The air already in the cabin is passed through HEPA filters to remove bacteria and viruses and then mixed 50:50 with the fresh air from outside. The air in planes is typically cleaner than what you're breathing in most office buildings, stores, movie theaters etc.
Most of us know how the air flow works on airplanes, at least those of us who have spent a significant part of our lives on airplanes.

Here is a simulation from Popular Science that you and Phil should be able to understand : https://www.popsci.com/article/science/how-sneeze-particles-travel-inside-airplane/
 

Ceiling Cat

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Complete nonsense. The air flows right through the whole cabin.
Not to mention the airport and it's snake lines. That's where it happens as much as planes.
No problem for Phil C., no one sits beside him and there is no isle. He flies cargo and enters through the cargo loading section.

Even with air filtration, there must be circulation. If the air intake is near you then air going to the intake will pass right by you along will all the coughs and sneezes.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Most of us know how the air flow works on airplanes, at least those of us who have spent a significant part of our lives on airplanes.

Here is a simulation from Popular Science that you and Phil should be able to understand : https://www.popsci.com/article/science/how-sneeze-particles-travel-inside-airplane/
That doesnt change the fact that the air inside an airplane gets filtered, and as Gameboy said its still cleaner than the air in most office buildings, stores, movie theaters etc
 

danmand

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That doesnt change the fact that the air inside an airplane gets filtered, and as Gameboy said its still cleaner than the air in most office buildings, stores, movie theaters etc
And you do not in your wisdom think it matters one bit that people are packed tight as sardines.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And you do not in your wisdom think it matters one bit that people are packed tight as sardines
No, because not every person on that plane is going to carry the virus. Some might be infected, but thats no different than going into a store, a restaurant, a hospital or any other public place
 

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And you do not in your wisdom think it matters one bit that people are packed tight as sardines.
I actually think a subway car, go train would be worse. More exposure to more people. More surfaces touching. Less controls on who is flying.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not flying soon. But I just don't see it as worse on the plane. The airport itself would be far worse.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I actually think a subway car, go train would be worse. More exposure to more people. More surfaces touching. Less controls on who is flying.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not flying soon. But I just don't see it as worse on the plane. The airport itself would be far worse
They're actually all about the same. The only point I was trying to make is air inside airplanes isnt likely to make you catch any diseases more than a restaurant, store or most other public places are

https://qz.com/1818213/coronavirus-doesnt-spread-any-faster-inside-airplanes/

You are no more likely to get coronavirus on an airplane than in any other crowded space

There are good reasons not to travel right now. Self-quarantine keeps you and other more vulnerable people safe; limited social contact has so far proven to be the best way to “flatten the curve” of the spread of the new coronavirus. And if you have even a slightly sore throat, it’s definitely worth staying home and minimizing the risk.

But if you must travel, there’s no real reason to avoid airplanes, compared to any other form of transport where multiple people are in close proximity to one another, such as a bus, train, or subway car.

(Pay attention Ceiling Cat): There’s a common misconception that “recirculated air” in airplanes makes people more likely to get sick. In modern planes, that simply isn’t true. Nowadays, airplanes have hospital-grade HEPA filtering systems that entirely recirculate the air in the cabin every three minutes. While flying, the air coming out of the air vent is actually a mixture of filtered fresh and recirculated air, where the recirculated stuff increases the air humidity—and your comfort. It may even be healthier than in most office buildings, schools and residences, according to one 2017 study examining air quality in 69 flights.

Writing on his site Ask The Pilot, author, airline pilot, and aviation blogger Patrick Smith has a more technical break-down:

The supply is bled from the compressor sections of the engines. Compressed air is very hot, but the compressors only compress; there is no contact with combustion gasses. From there it is plumbed into air conditioning units for cooling. It’s then ducted into the cabin through louvers, vents, and the eyeball gaspers above your seat. The AC units are known to pilots as “packs.” That’s an acronym for pneumatic air cycle kit. Usually there are two per plane.

The air circulates until eventually it is drawn into the lower fuselage, where about half of it is vented overboard—sucked out by the pressurization outflow valve. The remaining portion is remixed with a fresh supply from the engines and run through filters, and the cycle begins again
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While Smith acknowledges that the low-humidity air can be bad for your sinuses, he advises passengers to exercise more concern about touching frequently-trafficked surfaces such as lavatory door handles, tray tables, and armrests. This is more an occasion for hand sanitizer, he writes, than it is for high-end N95 masks.

On the plus side, since the outbreak began, airlines such as JetBlue and Delta have introduced more stringent deep-cleaning procedures above and beyond what was already in place. But there’s no harm in making like Naomi Campbell and bringing your own disinfectant wipes. And whatever you’re doing, make sure you wash your hands
 

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I saw a recommendation that you should adjust the air nozzle above you to high and blow it directly on your face. This was to prevent stale air and potential germs from moving in the direction of your face.
 

danmand

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I saw a recommendation that you should adjust the air nozzle above you to high and blow it directly on your face. This was to prevent stale air and potential germs from moving in the direction of your face.
That is probably good for avoiding germs, but the dry air on your face may not be the best for a long flight.

Phil is correct, that the air pumped into the cabin is clean, but after that germs is circulating.

Those of us who have taken hundreds of transatlantic and transpacific flights know that an infection is more than likely every time.
To be fair, that is caused by germs in the air, by your mucus layers drying out, lowered immune system from the time difference and lack of sleep etc etc.
 

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What does air quality in airplanes have to do with the housing market in Canada?
 

danmand

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What does air quality in airplanes have to do with the housing market in Canada?
The answer, my friend is floating in Terb.
 

GameBoy27

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I actually think a subway car, go train would be worse. More exposure to more people. More surfaces touching.
In fact far worse. Buses, trains, streetcars and subways don't have HEPA filters, nor do they make a complete air change approximately 15 to 30 times per hour.

What does air quality in airplanes have to do with the housing market in Canada?
Is there a thread on the housing market in Canada somewhere? ;)
 
This is what my Real Estate Agent, Vince Tarasca (11 yrs as an agent and over 24 yrs working with builders before that doing property management, etc.) has to say.

There is a lot of conflicting news out there regarding real estate. Things are still kind of mixed. I listed a home 2 weeks ago. For first few days there wasn't even a sniff. Then all of a sudden I get a few showings in a row and then had 3 offers come in on it last night. There are still buyers looking, probably more serious ones now. And there still is a demand on housing. A lot of people, both buyers and sellers are sitting back and playing wait and see game. The fear there is everyone may decide to list all at once, saturating the market and creating more product than demand and driving prices down. For now, prices remain steady with a small increase in value from March to April but activity has been slower too. My gut tells me that real estate will recover from this little slow down. I'm not really worried to be honest.
 

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Sophia, no need to worry if you plan on staying put for some years. The effect of this recession won't be felt for another 2 to 12 months and it is going to be ugly. Small time investors that are highly leveraged and owners who lost their jobs will be the first ones on the market. There will be more sellers than buyers and that's when prices will start to drop. I'm sure that prices will go back to normal after a few years or more but now is a good time to sell an investment property.
 

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"My gut tells me that real estate will recover from this little slow down. I'm not really worried to be honest"

Bahahahahah lol

Little slow down, good one
 
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