The Trump Presidency Is Over
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Representation is a prime defining characteristic of a democracy.Why didn't you just put down my claim directly by saying that they are more democratic. Why do you use the representative instead? What does that mean? How does it differ from democratic?
If you are using the word representative instead, I guess that means you agree that Israel is more democratic.
If Canada only allowed half the population to vote, would you say its a democracy?
Iran, for instance, allows everyone to vote and has Jewish members of parliament. But its also controlled by a theocratic leader.
Lebanon allows all to vote and has representation for all cultures legislated, though they have some major problems right now.
How about Jordan, they are lead by a king but the people have way more human rights respected.
Tunisia also has been fairly good.
Egypt has elections but nobody will run against the army now.
In Israel you have two leaders likely to run the country should they ever figure out how to work with others who both want to 'annex' Palestine and rule Palestinians in Bantustans under full on apartheid.
Did you think South Africa was a democracy?
Can you be apartheid and democratic?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/27/trumps-plan-for-palestine-looks-a-lot-like-apartheid/
That is no excuse for refusing a people basic human rights.Because over several decades they have chosen violence over negotiation.
Labelling them 'savages' or 'violent' is not justification and were you to apply that logic evenly you'd have to admit that because Israel regularly kills about 9-10 times more civilians your argument is as biased as your logic.
Man, you would have been better off not answering. That was lame and even you know it.Representation is a prime defining characteristic of a democracy.
You just admitted that it is not THE definition of a democracy, which was my question. Unless you use the words that "X country has a truer democracy than Israel" you are admitting that there is no such country. If you switch words, then refer to the bottom of restaurant menus, "No substitutions".
Do not make yourself look worse. Instead of dancing around the truth, you would be more respected by just admitting it. Pick another topic.
Israel’s justice minister just pulled the rug from underneath you.Man, you would have been better off not answering. That was lame and even you know it.
You just admitted that it is not THE definition of a democracy, which was my question. Unless you use the words that "X country has a truer democracy than Israel" you are admitting that there is no such country. If you switch words, then refer to the bottom of restaurant menus, "No substitutions".
Do not make yourself look worse. Instead of dancing around the truth, you would be more respected by just admitting it. Pick another topic.
Justice Minister Amir Ohana:
“The Arab voice is equal to a Jew’s when it comes to the Knesset elections, but not the government.”
Ouch.
https://www.facebook.com/goodshephe...8195695101727/589927398261887/?type=3&theater
More dancing. No direct answer.Israel’s justice minister just pulled the rug from underneath you.
Justice Minister Amir Ohana:
“The Arab voice is equal to a Jew’s when it comes to the Knesset elections, but not the government.”
Ouch.
Same bullshit. You cannot name one country that has a truer democracy. You are toast. Just ducking and dodging as I predicted.Representation is a prime defining characteristic of a democracy.
If Canada only allowed half the population to vote, would you say its a democracy?
Iran, for instance, allows everyone to vote and has Jewish members of parliament. But its also controlled by a theocratic leader.
Lebanon allows all to vote and has representation for all cultures legislated, though they have some major problems right now.
How about Jordan, they are lead by a king but the people have way more human rights respected.
Tunisia also has been fairly good.
Egypt has elections but nobody will run against the army now.
In Israel you have two leaders likely to run the country should they ever figure out how to work with others who both want to 'annex' Palestine and rule Palestinians in Bantustans under full on apartheid.
Did you think South Africa was a democracy?
Can you be apartheid and democratic?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/27/trumps-plan-for-palestine-looks-a-lot-like-apartheid/
In this case I am only asking him to back up that Israel's house is not the nicest in the neighbourhood. He will duck and dodge, but never admit it.
Perhaps that’s because you set the tone by not giving a direct definition of what you mean by democracy.More dancing. No direct answer.
Don’t dance around. Give it to us. Lead by example.
Then let’s go to town and test it?
Ready?
Israel’s justice minister just pulled the rug from underneath you.
Justice Minister Amir Ohana:
“The Arab voice is equal to a Jew’s when it comes to the Knesset elections, but not the government.”
Ouch.
https://www.facebook.com/goodshephe...8195695101727/589927398261887/?type=3&theater
Actually it was you who has not answered. We are all waiting.More dancing. No direct answer.
Tell us how the Israeli Justice Minister statement is consistent with democracy.
Look it up. I'll accept the dictionary definition.Perhaps that’s because you set the tone by not giving a direct definition of what you mean by democracy.
In case you need some help, here's a head start:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/
Please let us know their definition and if any middle eastern countries have a government/constitution that adheres to that definition more than Israel's does.
I'm keeping my expectation low. More ducking and dodging and whataboutism. But not one country will be named as being a more democratic country as defined by Webster's. BTW, I did not look up their definition.
Is his quote part of their constitution?Tell us how the Israeli Justice Minister statement is consistent with democracy.
More ducking and weaving.Is his quote part of their constitution?
Afraid of addressing it or is it the dumbing down effects of Zionism?
Let’s be honest...probably a bit of both.
C’mon....don’t be so afraid. I asked for your link to the definition you used to make your comical claim...not a link to an entire random dictionary.Look it up. I'll accept the dictionary definition.
In case you need some help, here's a head start:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/
Please let us know their definition and if any middle eastern countries have a government/constitution that adheres to that definition more than Israel's does.
I'm keeping my expectation low. More ducking and dodging and whataboutism. But not one country will be named as being a more democratic country as defined by Webster's. BTW, I did not look up their definition.
I know you can do better.....try one more time.
When their stated goal is the destruction of the nation and all Jewish people, with their actions not only towards Israel but their own people violent and barbaric they get treated as such.That is no excuse for refusing a people basic human rights.
Labelling them 'savages' or 'violent' is not justification and were you to apply that logic evenly you'd have to admit that because Israel regularly kills about 9-10 times more civilians your argument is as biased as your logic.
First things first. Let's do things in order.C’mon....don’t be so afraid. I asked for your link to the definition you used to make your comical claim...not a link to an entire random dictionary.
I know you can do better.....try one more time.
fluffy said Israel was a poor example of a democracy and I asked for a better example:
Which middle eastern country has a truer democracy than Israel?And as for Israel providing a beachead for democracy in the ME? Do you ever think about the stupid shit you post?
Frank talked about countries bring more representative. That is where the ducking and dodging started and we've been going round and round since.
So we need to clear that up first. Which country has a truer democracy than Israel in the ME. I answered your idiotic attempt at trapping me by asking for a definition of a democracy. I gave you a direct and unambiguous answer, I will accept what a respectable dictionary says. There was no ducking and dodging your question. I answered, so your claim is total BS.
Which country has a truer democracy than Israel in the ME?
Do you have a better definition?Man, you would have been better off not answering. That was lame and even you know it.
You just admitted that it is not THE definition of a democracy, which was my question. Unless you use the words that "X country has a truer democracy than Israel" you are admitting that there is no such country. If you switch words, then refer to the bottom of restaurant menus, "No substitutions".
Do not make yourself look worse. Instead of dancing around the truth, you would be more respected by just admitting it. Pick another topic.
Is your definition of democracy allowing one 'race' systematic control over another, including refusing most of them the vote or basic human rights?
I gave you four.Same bullshit. You cannot name one country that has a truer democracy. You are toast. Just ducking and dodging as I predicted.
Lebanon
Tunisia
Iran
Jordan
Back to racist colonialism, butler?When their stated goal is the destruction of the nation and all Jewish people, with their actions not only towards Israel but their own people violent and barbaric they get treated as such.
That only the true race can civilize a 'barbaric' people?
Again, according to the stats Israel kills 9-10 more civilians.
Why is it that you think Palestinians are the violent ones?
No. You said that they were more representative of the people, and that that was an important part of being a democracy, not a more democratic country. And you still haven't.Do you have a better definition?
Is your definition of democracy allowing one 'race' systematic control over another, including refusing most of them the vote or basic human rights?
I gave you four.
Lebanon
Tunisia
Iran
Jordan
Because the clearly stated goal is the outright destruction of Israel? And they keep taking any aid relief and turning it to weapons?Back to racist colonialism, butler?
That only the true race can civilize a 'barbaric' people?
Again, according to the stats Israel kills 9-10 more civilians.
Why is it that you think Palestinians are the violent ones?
You're splitting hairs, shack.No. You said that they were more representative of the people, and that that was an important part of being a democracy, not a more democratic country. And you still haven't.
Why can't you answer how Israel could be a democracy when half of the people living under their rule don't get to vote or have basic human rights?
Why won't you answer if you think you can be democratic and apartheid at the same time?
