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Right-wing terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism - which one is the greater global threat??

mandrill

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And yet you cant help yourself from posting in it
Neither can you.

Count the # of times YOU have posted in this thread and the # of times that I have posted.

I rest my case.
 

Frankfooter

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You think that the KKK, or neo-nazi groups, or local militias are not heavily monitored by the FBI and the intelligence services? Of course they are! I guess you've been worried for no reason.
Are they monitored as much as Muslims groups?
No
Should Islamaphobe right wingers be monitored more?
Yes
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Bullshit!!

There was a thread started about this one that was thwarted, but as requested by you... here goes:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-far-right-group-planned-mosque-attacks-government/a-52399062

Can you imagine how many mosque worshippers would have been killed?? It was a far right neo-nazi terrorism network!!

These are death threats from the far right:

Top German state politicians receive far-right death threats:

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-state-politicians-receive-far-right-death-threats/a-50922322

Not to forget the killing of a German Politician by the Neo-Nazis:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazi-germany/

Here is another individual that was arrested on terrorism charges for threats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mock-srn-sonnenkrieg-bath-trial-a9234696.html

Yet another one who planned terrorist attacks on mosques was thankfully apprehended:
Teenage neo-Nazi who planned terror attacks on synagogues as part of ‘race war’ jailed:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ager-jailed-terror-antisemitism-a9273696.html

This is another stupid and dumb woman who was part of a "Miss Hitler Competition":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html

2 neo-fascists arrested in Italy over plot to bomb mosque:

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2...ts-arrested-in-italy-over-plot-to-bomb-mosque

Poland seizes two for plotting Breivik-style attacks on Muslims

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...reivik-style-attacks-on-muslims-idUSKBN1XN23L

Norway police probe mosque shooting as possible act of terrorism

https://globalnews.ca/news/5752262/norway-mosque-shooting-terrorism/

Durham neo-Nazi teenager detained for terror attack plan

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-51022706

By the way:



https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

Yes this is in the USA in 1 year!!

How many were committed by Islamist Terrorists in the same period of time in the USA?? Waiting to hear from you in this respect!!
The bottom line is Europe has experienced a massive amount of increase in terrorism over the last 10 to 15 years since they had mass migration from Islamic countries. Have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Right-wing terrorism doesnt even come close to this.
And another factor is Islamic terrorists tend to kill more people than any other religion.
They really go for a high body count.

The US and Canada do not have a huge percentage of muslims yet, but when they start to approach Europe numbers like 5 to 10% percent of the population you can bet terrorism will come with it.

These are the facts. Whether you like it or not
 

mandrill

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The bottom line is Europe has experienced a massive amount of increase in terrorism over the last 10 to 15 years since they had mass migration from Islamic countries. Have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Right-wing terrorism doesnt even come close to this.
And another factor is Islamic terrorists tend to kill more people than any other religion.
They really go for a high body count.

The US and Canada do not have a huge percentage of muslims yet, but when they start to approach Europe numbers like 5 to 10% percent of the population you can bet terrorism will come with it.

These are the facts. Whether you like it or not

Phil, if what you say is true, why are intelligence agencies now citing far right white nationalism as the leading source of terror?

Over the last few weeks, the Streatham Jihadi - who was radicalized 10 years ago - killed a couple of people with a knife and the Hanau nazi killed far more with a gun. How does this support your thesis?

The occurrence of Islamic terror is declining and that of white nationalist terror appears to be suddenly soaring. Terrorist movements go through phases. Back in the 70's, we had the FLQ and the Symbionese Liberation Movement and the Baader Meinhof Gang. All of these lasted a couple of years and then went poof.

The "5 - 10%" figure is neo nazi nonsense. If Canada's muslims were potentially dangerous, there would be signs of it, even with small population levels. To suggest that suddenly all the Muslims in Canada will consult the census and say "Inshallah, we are now at 5.1% of the Canadian population! I will not go to my employment today at the PR firm or the tech company. Instead I will kill infidels!" is palpable nonsense. Even Butler has given up saying this and he would rant on and on about this crap.
 

Frankfooter

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The bottom line is Europe has experienced a massive amount of increase in terrorism over the last 10 to 15 years since they had mass migration from Islamic countries. Have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Right-wing terrorism doesnt even come close to this.
Right wing terrorism isn't reported as 'terrorism' for the most part.
Its just called extremist violence or just not listed as a terrorist act, that skews the stats.

Just like in the Israel/Palestine threads basketcase refuses to call Israeli targeting of civilians 'terrorism' but will also label Palestinian attacks on military 'terrorism'.
Its a political term meant to dehumanize those you don't agree with, so there is pressure not to use the term on right wingers.

UK: Far-right leader charged under Terrorism Act
Paul Golding was stopped by officers at airport on his way back from Russia and charged failing to comply with a duty.
 

bver_hunter

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The bottom line is Europe has experienced a massive amount of increase in terrorism over the last 10 to 15 years since they had mass migration from Islamic countries. Have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Right-wing terrorism doesnt even come close to this.
And another factor is Islamic terrorists tend to kill more people than any other religion.
They really go for a high body count.

The US and Canada do not have a huge percentage of muslims yet, but when they start to approach Europe numbers like 5 to 10% percent of the population you can bet terrorism will come with it.

These are the facts. Whether you like it or not
Listen, yes ISIS terrorism is a huge cause for concern. But I see that you deliberately left out the most recent right wing terrorism acts and killings by the far right from your list of terrorist acts. You did that with the mass killings in California :

Germany shooting: 'Far-right extremist' carried out shisha bars attacks:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971\

Also, the right wing terrorist concerns in Germany, like the USA and Canada are the highest among any terrorist networks:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/world/europe/germany-shooting-terrorism.html

In other words, it has overtaken ISIS / El Qaeda as the greatest danger.

Maybe you should take your "evidence" to the Intel Agencies in those countries to rebuff their statements.

Once again The USA and Canada have a vetting process that makes acts of terror among newly arrived migrants highly unlikely.

You really are displaying your Islamophobia with your ridiculous assumptions!!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Listen, yes ISIS terrorism is a huge cause for concern
I'm glad we agree on that

But I see that you deliberately left out the most recent right wing terrorism acts and killings by the far right from your list of terrorist acts
Not true. If you check my last post where I did a tally it was almost a month ago.
I just cant be bothered keeping up with it anymore, its too much typing:

See here: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...lobal-threat&p=6606990&viewfull=1#post6606990

I could however start adding to my tally again if you want.
Islamic terrorism would still far outnumber any right-wing attacks globally

Also, the right wing terrorist concerns in Germany, like the USA and Canada are the highest among any terrorist networks:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/world/europe/germany-shooting-terrorism.html

In other words, it has overtaken ISIS / El Qaeda as the greatest danger
You are taking way too small of a sample size since Islamic terror has pretty much stopped (or slowed down) in only the last year or so.
If we're gonna take a realistic sample size we have to measure over the last decade or so, and Islamic terrorism in Europe FAR exceeds any right-wing attacks

Here is the list again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Once again The USA and Canada have a vetting process that makes acts of terror among newly arrived migrants highly unlikely
Absolutely no way they can vet everyone 100%.
The 2 foiled terror attacks (Toronto 18 and VIA rail attacks) prove that


You really are displaying your Islamophobia with your ridiculous assumptions!!
And you are really displaying your rightwing-phobia when you try to equate right-wingers with radical Islam.
They are not even CLOSE to being comparable
 

Frankfooter

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And you are really displaying your rightwing-phobia when you try to equate right-wingers with radical Islam.
They are not even CLOSE to being comparable
Your numbers are garbage as you list acts of war as terrorism if they are committed by Muslim but not by westerners.
So you won't count the US killing a wedding party by drone, or hitting civilian targets, but will count the Taliban attacking US military targets.


Meanwhile.
White supremacist extremists receive higher threat level rating than ISIS in New Jersey
 

bver_hunter

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Not true. If you check my last post where I did a tally it was almost a month ago.
I just cant be bothered keeping up with it anymore, its too much typing:

See here: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...lobal-threat&p=6606990&viewfull=1#post6606990

I could however start adding to my tally again if you want.
Islamic terrorism would still far outnumber any right-wing attacks globally
You are taking way too small of a sample size since Islamic terror has pretty much stopped (or slowed down) in only the last year or so.
If we're gonna take a realistic sample size we have to measure over the last decade or so, and Islamic terrorism in Europe FAR exceeds any right-wing attacks
Remember that this thread did not take into accounts what happened a decade ago. It started in the middle of last year. So how come are you now referring to what happened over a decade??
The fact is that the Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat now in The USA, Canada and Germany. That is a fact.

Absolutely no way they can vet everyone 100%.
The 2 foiled terror attacks (Toronto 18 and VIA rail attacks) prove that
There were numerous foiled attempts by right wing terrorists much more recently. The fact is that the right wing terrorism in Canada is a bigger threat than the Islamic Terrorism. No doubt terrorism of all sorts should be condemned. But the right wingers like bud plug who you praised, went on and on about James Fields' innocence in the killing of Heather Heyer and injuring numerous others.
So why are the right wingers trying to protect these individuals??

Phil C. McNasty;6631679And you are really displaying your rightwing-phobia when you try to equate right-wingers with radical Islam. They are not even CLOSE to being comparable[/QUOTE said:
So are you saying that these right wing terrorists are better than time Islamic Terrorists in Canada and the USA?? Why, please explain!!
 

shack

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You are taking way too small of a sample size since
Like since you and your grandfather say Toronto is not getting any warmer then that is proof that there is no global warming.

(I know that is a totally different topic but I had to point out Phil's hypocrisy regarding small sample sizes. Others can't use them but he can. Carry on.)
 

K Douglas

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Are they monitored as much as Muslims groups?
No
Should Islamaphobe right wingers be monitored more?
Yes
All extremists who pose a danger to society, whether they be Neo Nazi, Jihadist or Black Nationalist, should be monitored equally. And I have no reason to believe that they are not. Neither should you.
 

K Douglas

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Frankfooter

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More Wikipedia lies. Most of those attacks were not right wing terrorism. In two of those attacks (Tree of Life and Poway) the shooter admitted their disdain for President Trump.
Ah, like phil you rely on trying to keep people out of your demographic rather then deal with reality.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Remember that this thread did not take into accounts what happened a decade ago. It started in the middle of last year. So how come are you now referring to what happened over a decade??
The fact is that the Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat now in The USA, Canada and Germany. That is a fact
What does the thread title say?? Does it say USA, Canada and Germany, or does it say globally??
I'll be waiting for your answer

There were numerous foiled attempts by right wing terrorists much more recently. The fact is that the right wing terrorism in Canada is a bigger threat than the Islamic Terrorism. No doubt terrorism of all sorts should be condemned. But the right wingers like bud plug who you praised, went on and on about James Fields' innocence in the killing of Heather Heyer and injuring numerous others.
So why are the right wingers trying to protect these individuals??

So are you saying that these right wing terrorists are better than time Islamic Terrorists in Canada and the USA?? Why, please explain!!
Your question make no sense. You wrote: "So are you saying that these right wing terrorists are better than time Islamic Terrorists in Canada and the USA??"
What the hell does that mean?? Time better than Islamic Terrorists?? :confused:
 

Butler1000

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Phil, if what you say is true, why are intelligence agencies now citing far right white nationalism as the leading source of terror?

Over the last few weeks, the Streatham Jihadi - who was radicalized 10 years ago - killed a couple of people with a knife and the Hanau nazi killed far more with a gun. How does this support your thesis?

The occurrence of Islamic terror is declining and that of white nationalist terror appears to be suddenly soaring. Terrorist movements go through phases. Back in the 70's, we had the FLQ and the Symbionese Liberation Movement and the Baader Meinhof Gang. All of these lasted a couple of years and then went poof.

The "5 - 10%" figure is neo nazi nonsense. If Canada's muslims were potentially dangerous, there would be signs of it, even with small population levels. To suggest that suddenly all the Muslims in Canada will consult the census and say "Inshallah, we are now at 5.1% of the Canadian population! I will not go to my employment today at the PR firm or the tech company. Instead I will kill infidels!" is palpable nonsense. Even Butler has given up saying this and he would rant on and on about this crap.
Oh I haven't given up.

One only needs to look at history to see what happens. And one only needs to look at Indonesia to see it unfolding again.

But I think the best policy at this point is containment. Limit immigration to moderate types and small numbers of refugees. Prevent ghettos from forming, as well private religious schools in North America. Anglasize them. Teach them western liberal values.

If you want a microcosm look at who protested the new sex Ed curriculum. And tried to set up Sharia law.

Both denied but increase the numbers and history shows what happens.
 

Frankfooter

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Oh I haven't given up.

One only needs to look at history to see what happens. And one only needs to look at Indonesia to see it unfolding again.

But I think the best policy at this point is containment. Limit immigration to moderate types and small numbers of refugees. Prevent ghettos from forming, as well private religious schools in North America. Anglasize them. Teach them western liberal values.

If you want a microcosm look at who protested the new sex Ed curriculum. And tried to set up Sharia law.

Both denied but increase the numbers and history shows what happens.
Sounds like you also think only Muslims are a terrorist threat.
What would be your plan to combat right wing terrorism?
Not vote for Trump?
 

Butler1000

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Sounds like you also think only Muslims are a terrorist threat.
What would be your plan to combat right wing terrorism?
Not vote for Trump?
Not true. I also think there are neo fascist groups also in need of monitoring and investigation. Probably a few climate extremists, a few PETA offshoots.

Anytime you have extremist ideology it attracts both the crazy ones and the sociopaths who see it as a means to power.

That's why a liberal democracy with seperation of church is a cornerstone of freedom.
 
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