Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round him
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Because he isn't arguing in good faith. If the polls show Sanders ahead, the polls are true. If they don't, then they are not polling the army of people who will come out of the woodwork for Sanders. If Sanders wins Iowa and NH, then it is a mark of his inevitaity. If Sanders doesn't, it is a sign they are unrepresentative and don't count. Or maybe the fact that the delegates are awarded proportionally means he basically tied so it was really a win.
Facts are not important in this narrative. If he wins, it is because it is only just. If he loses, it was because he was robbed.
And that statement alone shows you are very bad at understanding politics.
Your critique of Biden being further to the right than is good, being largely a step sideways and no forward (or even going backward more slowly) are not things I disagree with overall. That said, saying you don't see a difference is just ridiculous.
Now, there is an argument that anyone who participates in the system is the same. That, of course, is an argument against Sanders, who has been a politician for 30 years. As I have said before, given your statements, I fully expect you to turn on Sanders of he wins.
Those were Iranian funds that were agreed on by not only Obama, but NATO, Russia and China. Iran kept their side of the agreement as to the Nuclear Disarmament. No known USA or Canadian or NATO lives were lost, that pointed to the Iranians responsibility since the deal was signed. But once trump cancelled the US side of the deal, we have seen nothing but tension since then including the shooting down of this plane. Period!!
Right, so whose cash was used to obtain the missiles?? So do you agree with the cancellation of this Nuclear Disarmament deal by Trump, that created all this chaos and very sad killings of these Canadians in the first place??
So would this scenario have ever occurred if Trump did not stick his nose where it was not needed by cancelling the Nuclear Disarmament Agreement with Iran??
Yeah, but you also said Clinton would be behind bars for her evil corrupt doings.
Looks like that is yet another Trump failure, more Trump fake news and butler conspiracy theories.
Trump’s DOJ quietly ends two-year fishing expedition on the Clintons — and admits it found nothing
Off topic. I'm completely correct. His public statements, policies, voting record from over 40 years in politics stand. He has consistantly voted and legislated as a Republican.
That's why he claims he can work with them. It's because he agrees with them.
On topic, it establishes your total lack of credibility in judging the credibility of politicians.
As does your continual support of Trump.
Ad hominin attacks don't add to the conversation.
The facts remain. Joe Biden has over a 40+ year career consistantly voted, legislated and and supported policy more consistent with the Republicans than the Democrats. He has supported war, military budgets, deregulation banks and wall st., Bankruptcy protection for large corporations while screwing small bankruptcies, protections for credit card companies with defending predatory lending practices. And has, right up to 2018 supported cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security funding.
So from a policy standpoint they will be about the same. Style wise.........
Well considering how "gaff" prone he is I'm sure there will be a ton of fodder for his critics. Have you seen his speeches on the campaign trail? Coherence is not his strong point.
And yes the DNC will try to prevent Sanders from winning. They did it in 2016. To deny that is to deny their own words in the email leak and the words of Donna Brasille.
Lol. So your answer is, I can't deny those facts so I'll lay false attacks against the poster.
You make it easy.
Now refute my argument about Biden's policy and voting history.
Good luck!
The candidate who causes the most "buzz" and frenzy from the opposition is the one who is most electable. It's the one the opposition fears the most and tries, in social media and on message boards etc., to belittle the candidate as being non-electable. It seems to me that Biden is that candidate so he is probably the most electable.
I can't believe that there's even any sort of argument about this! Kind of tells you all you need to know about the level of "expertise", here. Biden is the definition of the Washington insider who has almost always voted with the wind; his only aim being getting reelected, gathering and dispensing favours and enriching himself at the trough. He has decades of record accessible to all who want to see it.
That claim is thrown around mindlessly. Do you have an independent source for that?
As opposed to your evidence as to how the Iranians spent the money. Too funny.
He is far to the right of what I want. But your first and last lines are nonsense. They are not about the same. Republican priorities and even the most conservative of democratic priorities are not the same. There are significant differences that will have real effects on people's lives. If the point you are trying to make is that neither will do what you think is important, then sure, neither will. But, for example; neither a McDonald's hamburger nor a homemade chicken breast are a filet mignon from a master chef. And yet those two things are not the same, either.
You keep trying to convince me Biden isn't the best choice for candidate, which is something we agree on. Not the best choice isn't the same as basically the same as Trump.
And this is why it is impossible to take you seriously and why I say you argue in bad faith. (Still, it could be worse, you could have included "they manipulated the voter rolls in Brooklyn" and "The DNC admitted it in court!" I suppose.)
You know as well as anyone who has read the emails that they don't show that at all. Would you care to point to the ones you think prove this? Brazile is on the record that they didn't do that, although she complained about the JFA.
But sure, if you see signs of the DNC rigging things to prevent Bernie from winning, point them out.
Bidens policy and history are far closer to the GOP that anything resembling progressive policy.
Is Trump stupid, erratic in the seat? Yes.
But Biden hadn't been much better. You just don't want to see it. Just like you don't want to see how the DNC manipulated the primaries.
Do you really think Clinton paid off the the Debt, put the DNC on an allowance, took over messaging in 2015 so it would be a fair fight?
Why do you think Biden, Warren and anyone else didn't run? They were TOLD NOT TO. That they would lose. That she had already purchased the Superdelegates.
Why to you think that is how the Press measured the Primary standings last time?
I don't think you are naive, so don't try to snow the board.
Sure, Biden would be my fourth choice but even his more right wing policies would still make him way better than the corrupt, warmongering, rapey, racist, lying, orange guy you've been defending here for years.
If Biden beats Trump, bring him on.
At this point anyone is better than Trump.
And we disagree. I think a Biden nomination kills the progressive movement for years.
Again, what is he offering policy wise to improve the nation? His record says cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
Cowtowing to the Donor class. More wars. And enacting a GOP agenda.
Most importantly though is this. Biden will suppress the vote. The progressive vote will stay home or vote third party. If Sanders is the Nominee he gets the progressives, the anti Trump and yes the third party vote.
Jill Stein will endorse him, not run and order the party to campaign for him.
I see at least 10 million more votes for Sanders than Clinton got. And that will not only win the WH but numerous down ballot seats as well.
With Biden they could actually lose the house again.
Sanders recieved the Sunrise Movement's endorsement yesterday.
318 chapters, 10,000 members. All politically active young people.
Another Shit ton of volunteers for the campaign along with more social media presence.
Meanwhile Bloomberg had to pay $5,000,000 to Stacy Abrams for a photo op.
318 chapters, 10,000 members. All politically active young people.
Another Shit ton of volunteers for the campaign along with more social media presence.
Meanwhile Bloomberg had to pay $5,000,000 to Stacy Abrams for a photo op.
Whatever, you also think Clinton is more corrupt than Trump, or something like that, as you still rant on and on about her.
Meanwhile the guy you've been defending here for years just about started a war because he's unhappy about being impeached.
Talk about totally self-unaware.
