Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round him

[Butler1000]

So I show you the actual polls where Biden is in the lead in all of them, even Warren is ahead of Sanders in one of the polls, and now you try to change the topic.

Anyway, here is the most important reason. When the USA was in a deep recession, and most pundits predicted that a Depression was round the corner with various bankruptcies etc, which POTUS and VP steered that sinking ship and handed a growing economy to the present incumbent who has since taken all the credit?? Was the ACA that was railroaded and finally passed, not a great start for the Americans?? Where did he say that he was going to "cut" Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. He only stated that he would improve on it, not"cut" like you randomly make such allegations!! Why else do you think that the majority of the Democrats are still supporting Biden?? Show me a National poll that has Biden not in the lead??

The bailout saved the banks who then foreclosed on 5 million homes.

The ACA continues to increase prices with 87 million either uninsured or so underinsured with co-pays they can't afford the doctor (and didn't get to keep their doctor did they?) There is also the fact that their medical is reliant on their employer. Get fired, layed off, no medical.

And there is footage of Biden stating on the Senate Floor he would cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The perfect length for a tv commercial. Improve? It was said in the context of cutting the budget. Look it up.

Think they won't see it? And use it against him?

You are in fact claiming right wing victories for big banks and big Med as something that helped people.

They didn't.

If that's the best you have.......well you still haven't said what he would do NOW, have you? What policies will he put forward to improve things?

I'm still waiting.

 

[Butler1000]

You said the same thing with the mid terms, and the Canadian elections as well. You were proved wrong there as well!!

Actually I didn't comment on the Canadian election polls. And in fact stated while I hoped for Conservative win I thought it was too close to call and a Minority government was probable.

And I didn't comment on mid term polls at all.

You really need to actually look at posters names before lashing out with false allegations.

 

[bver_hunter]

The bailout saved the banks who then foreclosed on 5 million homes.

The ACA continues to increase prices with 87 million either uninsured or so underinsured with co-pays they can't afford the doctor (and didn't get to keep their doctor did they?) There is also the fact that their medical is reliant on their employer. Get fired, layed off, no medical.

And there is footage of Biden stating on the Senate Floor he would cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The perfect length for a tv commercial. Improve? It was said in the context of cutting the budget. Look it up.

Think they won't see it? And use it against him?

You are in fact claiming right wing victories for big banks and big Med as something that helped people.

They didn't.

If that's the best you have.......well you still haven't said what he would do NOW, have you? What policies will he put forward to improve things?

I'm still waiting.

Mostly bullshit, from your assessment of what he did. I personally know someone whose life was saved thanks to the ACA. She received the treatment that previously she could not afford from a rare type of cancer.

Anyway, if you want to read the exact stuff that Biden is offering on his platform, then very very simple:

https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

This is not about whether I support Biden, like you claim to be a so called Sanders' supporter. There are many occasions that you agreed with Trump over Sanders. Whether it is Sanders or Biden, who gives a damn as long as they can take out Trump. Yes or no??

Also, You will not agree that you got the polls all wrong!!

 

[onthebottom]

Oh FFS.....

“Iran’s parliament voted to eject all Americans and coalition forces from the country,” Biden said at a rally in New York. He made the mistake again when he said Trump threatened to get the United States into war with Iraq.

“I said not long ago that as the walls close in on this president, I worried that he was going to get us in war with Iraq,” Biden said at private fundraiser in New York City.

 

[bver_hunter]

Actually I didn't comment on the Canadian election polls. And in fact stated while I hoped for Conservative win I thought it was too close to call and a Minority government was probable.

And I didn't comment on mid term polls at all.

You really need to actually look at posters names before lashing out with false allegations.

So you are a Conservative and still support Sanders' more Socialist leaning views?? Then you ask me about how I support Biden's right wing policies. You are really confused as to where you are on the political spectrum.

You argued with me as to how Trudeau was toast, and questioned the polls whenever he was ahead, stating exactly the same stuff about the polls and how you do not believe them. So do not give me this BS.

 

[bver_hunter]

Oh FFS.....

“Iran’s parliament voted to eject all Americans and coalition forces from the country,” Biden said at a rally in New York. He made the mistake again when he said Trump threatened to get the United States into war with Iraq.

“I said not long ago that as the walls close in on this president, I worried that he was going to get us in war with Iraq,” Biden said at private fundraiser in New York City.

How about this hogwash regarding Trump once again blaming the Obama Administration about gifting hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran for a very bad deal. Then these big bucks were used to obtain these missiles that attacked the US airbase in Iraq!!

 

[shack]

Which only proves the polls are so all over the place that they are not a good measure of electability.

So why do you bother to post and quote them in attempts to prove your points?

 

[Butler1000]

So you are a Conservative and still support Sanders' more Socialist leaning views?? Then you ask me about how I support Biden's right wing policies. You are really confused as to where you are on the political spectrum.

You argued with me as to how Trudeau was toast, and questioned the polls whenever he was ahead, stating exactly the same stuff about the polls and how you do not believe them. So do not give me this BS.

The Conservative party in Canada is to the left of the Democratic Party in the USA.

And Trudeau needs to go. As it is he is now turning it over to Freeland.

 

[Butler1000]

So why do you bother to post and quote them in attempts to prove your points?

I enjoy using Bver's idea that the only metric that counts are the polls.

And when Sanders wins Iowa and NH it will be fun watching his explanation.

 

[Butler1000]

Mostly bullshit, from your assessment of what he did. I personally know someone whose life was saved thanks to the ACA. She received the treatment that previously she could not afford from a rare type of cancer.

Anyway, if you want to read the exact stuff that Biden is offering on his platform, then very very simple:

https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

This is not about whether I support Biden, like you claim to be a so called Sanders' supporter. There are many occasions that you agreed with Trump over Sanders. Whether it is Sanders or Biden, who gives a damn as long as they can take out Trump. Yes or no??

Also, You will not agree that you got the polls all wrong!!

If Biden is the nominee I don't see much difference with Trump.
He is a right wing warmonger who with happily work with Wall St and Republicans to the detriment of the working class. That's his record and voting history. Hell he has said he would even have a GOP running mate.

He can promise all he wants but it's a lie. He said as recently as 2018 he would cut Social Security and make it means tested. That's the first step to eliminating it.

Why would you think that's good policy?

 

[Frankfooter]

If Biden is the nominee I don't see much difference with Trump.
....
He can promise all he wants but it's a lie.

Just because everything Trump says is a lie doesn't mean that Biden is lying.
Any choice that's not a rapey, lying, corrupt, warmonger like Trump is an improvement.

 

[Butler1000]

Just because everything Trump says is a lie doesn't mean that Biden is lying.
Any choice that's not a rapey, lying, corrupt, warmonger like Trump is an improvement.

Except that his history, voting records and public statements say otherwise.

He is planning to do the usual pivot in the general. And then do nothing and blame gridlock. While signing off on Republican legislation.

 

[Frankfooter]

Except that his history, voting records and public statements say otherwise.

He is planning to do the usual pivot in the general. And then do nothing and blame gridlock. While signing off on Republican legislation.

Hilarious, now you're claiming you can read his mind?

 

[bver_hunter]

The Conservative party in Canada is to the left of the Democratic Party in the USA.

And Trudeau needs to go. As it is he is now turning it over to Freeland.

So Trump is also "left" of the Democratic Party in the way that you have passionately supported practically all his charades.

Trudeau was not the best choice, but still better than Scheer. Scheer did the right thing by resigning as he was found to be a fraud.

Trudeau is turning nothing over to Freeland. She is his deputy and as Alberta Conservatives have that natural hatred for everything East of Saskatchewan, it was a smart move to appoint her as the go between person!!

 

[onthebottom]

How about this hogwash regarding Trump once again blaming the Obama Administration about gifting hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran for a very bad deal. Then these big bucks were used to obtain these missiles that attacked the US airbase in Iraq!!

That’s at least half right, he got the country right, I think they spent that on terror, missiles might have been part of that.

 

[bver_hunter]

That’s at least half right, he got the country right, I think they spent that on terror, missiles might have been part of that.

First of all that was Iranian funds that were frozen and under this deal were then being released. It was not a gift from Obama as Trump regularly lies, and did so when he once again went off script.
But this cash will go back into the Government coffers, and of course funds will be used for their own defence as well as other programs. But not all the funds are going to support terrorism like Trump randomly alleged!!

 

[Butler1000]

Hilarious, now you're claiming you can read his mind?

Again, his history, voting record, public statements tell the real story.

 

[onthebottom]

First of all that was Iranian funds that were frozen and under this deal were then being released. It was not a gift from Obama as Trump regularly lies, and did so when he once again went off script.
But this cash will go back into the Government coffers, and of course funds will be used for their own defence as well as other programs. But not all the funds are going to support terrorism like Trump randomly alleged!!

You have no way of knowing that, they are the worlds largest state sponsor of terror, it’s not unreasonable to criticize releasing those funds to such a state.

 

[Butler1000]

First of all that was Iranian funds that were frozen and under this deal were then being released. It was not a gift from Obama as Trump regularly lies, and did so when he once again went off script.
But this cash will go back into the Government coffers, and of course funds will be used for their own defence as well as other programs. But not all the funds are going to support terrorism like Trump randomly alleged!!

You mean like the missile that shot down a plane and killed 63 Innocent Canadians?

 

[Moviefan-2]

But this cash will go back into the Government coffers, and of course funds will be used for their own defence as well as other programs.

LOL. Iran has apparently been funding and leading terrorist activities throughout the Middle East in its "own defence." :biggrin1: