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RANT: BBFS inquiries - who are these losers??
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Evolutionarily speaking, there is truth to this.
I do - and am fully capable of doing so.. even gracefully so (without telling the client off) in case that was on your mind. But that's not what this thread was about.. just looking for light shedding which plenty of people have been so gracious to offer in their responses to whom I am grateful.
It is thoroughly evident by the responses in this thread that nobody cares.
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A better question is, why are the photos on your website so small? I want to see your body better.
Okay I dont come on here often anymore but this topic is one I have researched personally and have concerns on so I will break my silence lol.
So first of all I think people can do whatever the fuck they want as long as A) The know the risks and B) They are not putting others at harm. With that said I think in many instances of BBFS the above is not met.
A) Risk. The risk of bacterial infections such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis is quite high with BBFS with an "unknown" host in the SW, I think everyone knows that and I will not get into it. Risk of Hepatitis is also high.... What I have noticed is that people really care about the big one, HIV even though the other infections are quite debilitating. Also I have seen people downplay the risk of HIV... Again risk is relative and the facts are not well known. There is a systematic review that has high level evidence on this (source). I have seen people cite these numbers as being "low". People fail to realize though that the per event risks are based on the assumptions that the hosts of the infection are likely with known chronic HIV and on treatment. Some estimate if the host has an acute infection that has yet to be diagnosed the risk of spread can be 60-80 times higher since they have high circulating viral loads.... And the latter is most likely the case if one encounters this via this hobby. It takes one infected host with this high viral load and a clientele of guys wanting BBFS to cause a serious outbreak. And once there is an outbreak that is identified by public health authorities stemming from escorts you sure bet that the authorities are gonna have ammunition to come after everyone legally and they may be justified... Again someone people may be told that the risk of them getting infections is 90% and they will still do it... thats their choice. But if your doing this educate your self on the risks and think with your head not your dick....
I personally think the risk of this is so high for me that I am prepared that in an event of a "Failed condomn" on a provider that I do not know or I suspect may partake in BBFS I will go to the emergency or walkin and get a prescription for post exposure prophylaxis for HIV and test my self for Hep B C and bacterial STIs. This has to be done in 72 hours. I actually think that while there is no consensus on this the expert opinion of ID doctors may be in favor of prescribing PEP for those exposed to insertive anal or vaginal sex with an unknown partner that is in sex work providing BBFS. IM raising the last point as that may mean the drugs will be covered, otherwise they are expensive meds. So if you have an accident with a provider that you suspect is doing BBFS go see a doctor within 72 hours, that is if you care and the risks are relevant to you. Alternatively stick to safe providers you know, I am personally adopting this as my health is #1 priority.
B) Harm
There is no doubt that providers can be impacted by mental health, this happens to anyone in any line of work. I have gone to an incall where the girl is in a manic state either drug induced or secondary to an acute phase of bipolar. I immediately left once I was suspicious that she was in that state. I made an excuse that im a nervous virgin and left her the donation and exited within 10 min. It was SHOCKING to me to see that that same girl was being advertised by some veteran members on here as having "great service" and highly recommended. Now a person who is in an altered state is more likely to take risks like providing BBFS that is why im raising this point. I think sleeping with anyone like that is sexual assualt but thats just my opinion but I see guys here advertise them as being great so I guess unfortunately there are dudes that have 0 morals and there were always be guys like that. I think guys like that are in the minority or atleast I hope, also I am not accusing anyone of anything its plausible the girl was in that state of mind temporarily due to a substance but looking at her twitter after I suspect its more to it than that. I wish there was a way I could help the girl, if she was with an agency I would have contacted the agency but I cant do anything and I feel bad. Guys if your the ones seeing these girls ask your self if getting your dick wet is really worth taking advantage of someone like that and if someone in that state is providing BBFS then they really do not understand the risks. I dont have a wife or a partner and thats a whole another angle of people being harmed through guys doing BBFS.
I also think that anecdotally this is becoming more common... this is just my own personal experience and it may be incorrect. but in the last year I have had 3 providers offer BBFS and prior to that there were 2 in the last 5 years... IN all instances I of course did not partake, did not see the girl again and tried to finish the call fast and safe with no real sexual contact. Also I think BBFS is not dependent on price or agency vs indy etc. in my small experience one was "high " price the others were "average', I dont think there is a correlation but no one can say for sure. I will say though in all those intances where the BBFS was offered it was in context of longer appointments or me leaving a tip in advance, I do that to get a better sensual experience and not more services but those girls took it the wrong way....
So first of all I think people can do whatever the fuck they want as long as A) The know the risks and B) They are not putting others at harm. With that said I think in many instances of BBFS the above is not met.
A) Risk. The risk of bacterial infections such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis is quite high with BBFS with an "unknown" host in the SW, I think everyone knows that and I will not get into it. Risk of Hepatitis is also high.... What I have noticed is that people really care about the big one, HIV even though the other infections are quite debilitating. Also I have seen people downplay the risk of HIV... Again risk is relative and the facts are not well known. There is a systematic review that has high level evidence on this (source). I have seen people cite these numbers as being "low". People fail to realize though that the per event risks are based on the assumptions that the hosts of the infection are likely with known chronic HIV and on treatment. Some estimate if the host has an acute infection that has yet to be diagnosed the risk of spread can be 60-80 times higher since they have high circulating viral loads.... And the latter is most likely the case if one encounters this via this hobby. It takes one infected host with this high viral load and a clientele of guys wanting BBFS to cause a serious outbreak. And once there is an outbreak that is identified by public health authorities stemming from escorts you sure bet that the authorities are gonna have ammunition to come after everyone legally and they may be justified... Again someone people may be told that the risk of them getting infections is 90% and they will still do it... thats their choice. But if your doing this educate your self on the risks and think with your head not your dick....
I personally think the risk of this is so high for me that I am prepared that in an event of a "Failed condomn" on a provider that I do not know or I suspect may partake in BBFS I will go to the emergency or walkin and get a prescription for post exposure prophylaxis for HIV and test my self for Hep B C and bacterial STIs. This has to be done in 72 hours. I actually think that while there is no consensus on this the expert opinion of ID doctors may be in favor of prescribing PEP for those exposed to insertive anal or vaginal sex with an unknown partner that is in sex work providing BBFS. IM raising the last point as that may mean the drugs will be covered, otherwise they are expensive meds. So if you have an accident with a provider that you suspect is doing BBFS go see a doctor within 72 hours, that is if you care and the risks are relevant to you. Alternatively stick to safe providers you know, I am personally adopting this as my health is #1 priority.
B) Harm
There is no doubt that providers can be impacted by mental health, this happens to anyone in any line of work. I have gone to an incall where the girl is in a manic state either drug induced or secondary to an acute phase of bipolar. I immediately left once I was suspicious that she was in that state. I made an excuse that im a nervous virgin and left her the donation and exited within 10 min. It was SHOCKING to me to see that that same girl was being advertised by some veteran members on here as having "great service" and highly recommended. Now a person who is in an altered state is more likely to take risks like providing BBFS that is why im raising this point. I think sleeping with anyone like that is sexual assualt but thats just my opinion but I see guys here advertise them as being great so I guess unfortunately there are dudes that have 0 morals and there were always be guys like that. I think guys like that are in the minority or atleast I hope, also I am not accusing anyone of anything its plausible the girl was in that state of mind temporarily due to a substance but looking at her twitter after I suspect its more to it than that. I wish there was a way I could help the girl, if she was with an agency I would have contacted the agency but I cant do anything and I feel bad. Guys if your the ones seeing these girls ask your self if getting your dick wet is really worth taking advantage of someone like that and if someone in that state is providing BBFS then they really do not understand the risks. I dont have a wife or a partner and thats a whole another angle of people being harmed through guys doing BBFS.
I also think that anecdotally this is becoming more common... this is just my own personal experience and it may be incorrect. but in the last year I have had 3 providers offer BBFS and prior to that there were 2 in the last 5 years... IN all instances I of course did not partake, did not see the girl again and tried to finish the call fast and safe with no real sexual contact. Also I think BBFS is not dependent on price or agency vs indy etc. in my small experience one was "high " price the others were "average', I dont think there is a correlation but no one can say for sure. I will say though in all those intances where the BBFS was offered it was in context of longer appointments or me leaving a tip in advance, I do that to get a better sensual experience and not more services but those girls took it the wrong way....
Some of the nasty shit lately . . . . . .
GIRLS GOING BARE, BARE, BARE . . . . . . . . . . 'BBFS'
GIRLS SPONGING UP, MONTHLY . . . . . . . . . . .'CODE RED'
GIRLS BAKING LOAF OF BREAD . . . . . . . . . . . 'YEAST INFECTIONS'
GIRLS WITH TINY LUMPS & BUMPS . . . . . . . .'HERPES'
GIRLS ON LEO WITH 7th MONTH BUMP . . . . .'PREGO'
Sex Workers calling each other out on their shit ---- Us dudes calling each other out on Ours
All of us keeping each other in check will help girls keep girls Uterus's from falling out and Dudes Dicks from falling off! :biggrin:
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They look better on a big screen but yeah, would look even better in hi res and larger.
My point remains "they" (I say that in quotes because often those who protest the loudest are the ones doing it) are going to continue doing it no matter what you say/do. You are wasting your time. Instead, that time could be spent understanding WHY they do it and working on solutions to that.
But much easier to just shame people and feel good about yourself.
But much easier to just shame people and feel good about yourself.
Sorry but this part of the quote is LAUGHABLE
Engaging in any act in the industry severely ups your risk to personal health risk
A condom is not a barrier to catching an STD and many providers do other super risky acts without dropping to BBFS
Even in civilian life you have certain risks but anyone who partakes of industry is exponentially higher risk to get something
This is such a funny comment, how is stealthing = raping when both partners consent to sexual contact
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape
Either way in case you did not notice, there is no such thing as rape in Canadian law
So your "legal opinion" really doesn't matter much
I have explained this to you many times, Teejay. Consent is contextual and it is not indefinite. Just because someone gives you consent to have sex with them doesn’t mean you can then bring your buddy in and have him fuck her too, it doesn’t mean you can jam your cock up her ass without asking, and if she tells you to use a condom and you do not do so, that too is a non-consensual sexual act (because she consented to sex with the stipulation that you wear a condom). How is it so difficult for you to understand how consent works? No consent = rape. Period. If you can’t grasp that, maybe people shouldn’t be having sex with you.
It's a lot more common then you'd think. I was rather naive and oblivious just like OP regarding the subject up until recently to be honest, as it never crossed my mind that it could be even possible with agencies or reputable indies. I always associated BBFS with street walkers and such, oh how wrong I was.
I beg to differ. If it is misrepresented carnal knowledge, it is rape. If the man promised to use contraception, and removes it during sex, then the courts woudl see it as rape.
[h=3]The Criminal Code, 1892, S.C. 1892, c. 29, s. 266.[/h] [Rape defined.]
266. Rape is the act of a man having carnal knowledge of a woman who is not his wife without her consent, or with consent which has been extorted by threats or fear of bodily harm, or obtained by personating the woman’s husband, or by false and fraudulent representations as to the nature and quality of the act.
2. No one under the age of fourteen years can commit this offence.
3. Carnal knowledge is complete upon penetration to any, even the slightest degree, and even without the emission of seed. R.S.C., c. 174, s. 226.
[Punishment for rape.]
267. Every one who commits rape is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to suffer death, or imprisonment for life. R.S.C., c. 162, s. 37.
[Attempt to commit rape.]
268. Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to seven years’ imprisonment who attempts to commit rape.
However, 'Rape' was abolished and converted to Sexual Assault in 1982.
[h=3]An Act to amend the Criminal Code in relation to sexual offences and other offences against the person and to amend certain other Acts in relation thereto or in consequence thereof, S.C. 1980-81-82-83, c. 125, s. 6.[/h] Note: "Rape" was abolished in 1982. The same statute created the offences "Sexual assault," "Sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm," and "Aggravated sexual assault.
Sex without protection, when the other party wants protection/contraception can be considered to be sexual assault.
I am always alarmed with how many civies don't practice safe sex. I actually find reputable providers to me more prudent when it comes to this.
I gather civies may have other motivations (i.e., I get knocked up with this guy and $$cha-ching$$)...
Service providers get a bad rap. I think that I'd be more concerned with civies.
I gather civies may have other motivations (i.e., I get knocked up with this guy and $$cha-ching$$)...
Service providers get a bad rap. I think that I'd be more concerned with civies.
Is it fair to call these guys losers? The only difference between them and anyone else is a thin piece of plastic.
If “deception” to get sex is now rape, we’re going to need more prisons.
Hair, makeup and heels exist solely to trick men into thinking a woman is more attractive than she really is. That’s deception.
Pretending you’re rich, or interested in a relationship is deception.
Where do you draw the line?
Hair, makeup and heels exist solely to trick men into thinking a woman is more attractive than she really is. That’s deception.
Pretending you’re rich, or interested in a relationship is deception.
Where do you draw the line?
Op is asking 2 questions, Who and Why would guys ask for BBFS.
To answer first question "Who", I would say there are 3 types of guys who would do that. One, would be a guy who actually is looking for BBFS. Asking that question in a text to an escort they have never seen before is lame, but I would not call them losers. At least they are honest and direct.
The second group, and I would have to call Bull Shit on them. Are the once who claim that the only reason they want to know witch SP does provide BBFS is so they accidentally do not book her.
And the third kind are the guys who get off on communicating with an SP about details of the service they provide. They most likely have no intention of actually going to see her.
As to the question "Why", I would say because it feels good, its natural and if it wasn't for BB none of us would be here. If BB is only bad with multiple partners then most civilians are partaking in that activity everyday. And if sex should only be between married people in a monogamous relationship, then we are all going to hell anyway. :biggrin:
Bottom line is that, instead of outing some guys in an special thread dedicated to BBFS inquiries, just simply say "No". And be glad that the guy was hones although stupid to ask you that. But at least he will not book and appointment with you without asking about it first and then try to stealth you.
To answer first question "Who", I would say there are 3 types of guys who would do that. One, would be a guy who actually is looking for BBFS. Asking that question in a text to an escort they have never seen before is lame, but I would not call them losers. At least they are honest and direct.
The second group, and I would have to call Bull Shit on them. Are the once who claim that the only reason they want to know witch SP does provide BBFS is so they accidentally do not book her.
And the third kind are the guys who get off on communicating with an SP about details of the service they provide. They most likely have no intention of actually going to see her.
As to the question "Why", I would say because it feels good, its natural and if it wasn't for BB none of us would be here. If BB is only bad with multiple partners then most civilians are partaking in that activity everyday. And if sex should only be between married people in a monogamous relationship, then we are all going to hell anyway. :biggrin:
Bottom line is that, instead of outing some guys in an special thread dedicated to BBFS inquiries, just simply say "No". And be glad that the guy was hones although stupid to ask you that. But at least he will not book and appointment with you without asking about it first and then try to stealth you.
Truth be told, it shouldn't surprise anyone in this business. We accept BBBJ and DATY without flinching. These are bareback services. BBFS is just a small step away. Penis in mouth? HELL YES! LOVE TO SWALLOW TOO!!! Penis in pussy? OMG! NO! ARE YOU NUTS!??!
Money talks and SPs aren't going to turn down their $5k - $10k/month client, who is married with kids, for some BBFS action. When you've been around the block long enough, you get a handle on human nature.
Money talks and SPs aren't going to turn down their $5k - $10k/month client, who is married with kids, for some BBFS action. When you've been around the block long enough, you get a handle on human nature.
Its not a small step away.... Please educate your self on the risks before making a comment like that.
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