Who wants to discuss Don Cherry today....

[mandrill]

Espo? Dryden? Scott Stevens? Niedermayer?

Messier?

 

[Smallcock]

Why don't we wait till these immigrants have kids and see what happens.
Funny thing is, a lot of immigrant parents are worried that their culture will be lost coming to Canada (or USA)...like my parents.

It'll be too late by then, but it's not like there is any alternative anyway. Immigrant parents may be worried about loss of culture but they know that there is more to gain than any loss, hence their reason for coming.

 

[Smallcock]

You've got swatikas and hoods too? Not just Greekgod?

Good to know.

You and Smollett probably have more than I do. We should get together and role play.

 

[Goodoer]

You can't force people to change. Change happens over time and through education (and familiarity). I look at my similarly aged father and I see how much his views have changed over the years... Is he going to hang with Drake and love either Trudeau? No... But he now understands that black people don't have a weak-ankle abnormality and can actually skate. Leaps and bounds improvement considering the rural small town he came from.

I like the patriotism displayed by Don Cherry and his outright promotion of Canada and being 'tough' and 'proud'. Snowflake people are depressing in comparison. The 'brown kids' serving as Cadets is a sign that things can work out. Playing hockey and cracking jokes with the guys who of are all different races is a sign that things are working out. However, the band-wagon, SJW, outraged Lefty-ism is a sign that we're not doing too well.

Drink our Kool-Aid and say it tastes great right now... Or else!!! (I just despise this type of behavior.)

You have to have tolerance.

 

[explorerzip]

Strange that the Canadian Military has not waded into this to provide comment, but not surprising. Only in Canada could this happen - the only democracy without a shred of national identity and precious little patriotism to go around. If Cherry was a US citizen, you can bet the narrative would be dramatically different.

Remembrance Day isn't a time to be patriotic and celebrate how great and mighty Canada is. It's a time for quiet reflection and not a time to criticize people that you disagree with. You don't use a somber event like Remembrance Day to criticize other people. Nor would you do it during a funeral. There are plenty of places where you can be patriotic like hockey, baseball, etc games or on Canada Day. Who would have thought?!

Canada's sense of patriotism is obviously not as bombastic as the US and I think that's a good thing. We don't need to treat every public holiday as an opportunity to sell cars, mattresses, etc.

I am going to miss Coach's Corner. Hope Cherry makes it back somehow.

Canada's not what it used to be. We're trying to accommodate so many cultures and religions but fail to take care of our Canadian heritage and values.

New immigrants come to Canada and many just keep to their own. They celebrate the victories of their country or origin with passion but the same sentiments are not demonstrated within the country they presently reside in.

I have actually worked in an office with mostly immigrants as a student and was appalled at how they laughed at how, "Canadians have no culture." The office was 90% Asian and South Asian.

The Canadian who's forefathers worked tirelessly to make Canada and served in wars are called out when we speak our minds as racist. But when immigrants say and do hurtful things to us we are expected to laugh it off.

I fear what Canada will look like for my children's cohort 15 years from now. For we will be the minorities and the courtesy afforded by us to new immigrants may not be reciprocated!

So what did Canada "used to be" exactly? Multiculturalism has been official government policy for decades so are we talking before then? Or five years? How about 10 years? The reason new immigrants tend to keep to their own is because all people do that. This is not unique to immigrants. If you were dropped in a totally foreign country you would seek like-minded people that spoke English and shared a similar cultural background too. Interesting that you say that immigrants only celebrate the victories of their own country because it certainly wasn't the case during the Raptors victory parade, or when the men's and ladies hockey team won Olympic gold in Vancouver. Is it so impossible for people to cheer on more than one country in the Olympics for example?

You had all this time to think of how immigrants are supposedly hurtful and insulting to you and the best you could come up with is "Canadians have no culture?" You sure you want to stack that against what Cherry said?

 

[poorboy]

I am going to miss Coach's Corner. Hope Cherry makes it back somehow.

Canada's not what it used to be. We're trying to accommodate so many cultures and religions but fail to take care of our Canadian heritage and values.

New immigrants come to Canada and many just keep to their own. They celebrate the victories of their country or origin with passion but the same sentiments are not demonstrated within the country they presently reside in.

I have actually worked in an office with mostly immigrants as a student and was appalled at how they laughed at how, "Canadians have no culture." The office was 90% Asian and South Asian.

The Canadian who's forefathers worked tirelessly to make Canada and served in wars are called out when we speak our minds as racist. But when immigrants say and do hurtful things to us we are expected to laugh it off.

I fear what Canada will look like for my children's cohort 15 years from now. For we will be the minorities and the courtesy afforded by us to new immigrants may not be reciprocated!

You're nothing but a bigot.

I served in the DND in the early 90's and 2000's as a reservist and I am Asian. Back then, I was a rarity, but a quarter century has passed, and the face of the DND has changed. The number or Asian Afghanistan veterans I've run across has pleasantly surprised me.

If you had actually gone to the Remembrance Day parade in downtown Toronto instead of sitting behind a keyboard, you would have seen this.

 

[realthing69]

I am going to miss Coach's Corner. Hope Cherry makes it back somehow.

Canada's not what it used to be. We're trying to accommodate so many cultures and religions but fail to take care of our Canadian heritage and values.

New immigrants come to Canada and many just keep to their own. They celebrate the victories of their country or origin with passion but the same sentiments are not demonstrated within the country they presently reside in.

I have actually worked in an office with mostly immigrants as a student and was appalled at how they laughed at how, "Canadians have no culture." The office was 90% Asian and South Asian.

The Canadian who's forefathers worked tirelessly to make Canada and served in wars are called out when we speak our minds as racist. But when immigrants say and do hurtful things to us we are expected to laugh it off.

I fear what Canada will look like for my children's cohort 15 years from now. For we will be the minorities and the courtesy afforded by us to new immigrants may not be reciprocated!

This is true for almost every ethic group in almost every major city in North America. Toronto has a China town, Korea town, Little Italy, Greek town etc.. Even New York/Boston a section where it's mostly Irish. Someone who doesn't speak English well will go to where others are the same and get help to assimulate (the next generation will be 'Canadianized').

As for sporting events like World Cup soccer, it would be interesting to see what happens when Canada gets in....My BIL is white (Scottish/English) and he cheers for England when World Cup comes around. I'm sure there are tons of English soccer fans who are Englsih here in Toronto and if England won, there'd be celebrations too.

The entire country celebrates when Canada wins gold in hockey...when the Raptors won EVERYONE OF ALL ETHNICITIES celebratrated.

Ultimately, what is being "Canadian"?

Being English with their values since Canada was a former Commonwealth of Great Britain? I view Canada as unique and Canadians as being kinda and compassionate of all and for all....like Capitalism it's not perfect but better than the "old country".

But then again I was born and raised here.

 

[John Wick]

Remembrance Day isn't a time to be patriotic and celebrate how great and mighty Canada is. It's a time for quiet reflection and not a time to criticize people that you disagree with. You don't use a somber event like Remembrance Day to criticize other people. Nor would you do it during a funeral. There are plenty of places where you can be patriotic like hockey, baseball, etc games or on Canada Day. Who would have thought?!

Canada's sense of patriotism is obviously not as bombastic as the US and I think that's a good thing. We don't need to treat every public holiday as an opportunity to sell cars, mattresses, etc.

This post only serves to prove my point. Sad reflection on Canada, this ^

 

[gfelover]

Strange that the Canadian Military has not waded into this to provide comment, but not surprising. Only in Canada could this happen - the only democracy without a shred of national identity and precious little patriotism to go around. If Cherry was a US citizen, you can bet the narrative would be dramatically different.

https://twitter.com/cafinus/status/1193380225968680960?s=21

****** sent out this tweet in response to Mr. Cherry and his xenophobic statement....to all who have served and to all who serve today, thanks for your service today and everyday...:encouragement:

 

[John Wick]

https://twitter.com/cafinus/status/1193380225968680960?s=21

****** sent out this tweet in response to Mr. Cherry and his xenophobic statement....to all who have served and to all who serve today, thanks for your service today and everyday...:encouragement:

I don't believe this is an official Canadian Forces account. I think the twitter account you want is @CanadianForces

 

[lomotil]

You're nothing but a bigot.

I served in the DND in the early 90's and 2000's as a reservist and I am Asian. Back then, I was a rarity, but a quarter century has passed, and the face of the DND has changed. The number or Asian Afghanistan veterans I've run across has pleasantly surprised me.

If you had actually gone to the Remembrance Day parade in downtown Toronto instead of sitting behind a keyboard, you would have seen this.

A lot of Asians from China worked efficiently, steadily and arduously and made a significant contribution to building the Canadian Railway more than 120 years ago. Perhaps if these kind of worker was involved in the delayed Eglinton Crosstown subway line project it would have been finished already !

Don Cherry is a backwards anachronism who is not compatible with the business interest of today's corporate sponsors like Budweiser on Sportsnet so it is not surprising that he got kneecapped finally.

 

[shack]

You can't force people to change.

So they had to get rid of him because was harming the brand.

You have to have tolerance.

Not for people with racist/misogynistic views speaking to a national audience.

 

[explorerzip]

A lot of Asians from China worked efficiently, steadily and arduously and made a significant contribution to building the Canadian Railway more than 120 years ago. Perhaps if these kind of worker was involved in the delayed Eglinton Crosstown subway line project it would have been finished already !

Don Cherry is a backwards anachronism who is not compatible with the business interest of today's corporate sponsors like Budweiser on Sportsnet so it is not surprising that he got kneecapped finally.

Many Chinese were involved in building the railroad because they were cheaper than other workers and viewed as expendable. They were "rewarded" for their contribution with a head tax followed by a near total ban on immigration.

 

[explorerzip]

This post only serves to prove my point. Sad reflection on Canada, this ^

Not sure what that point was, but why is it a sad reflection of Canada? IMO, it's more sad to put flags on everything to help sell stuff, military parades, fireworks, etc. Patriotism is a lot more than that IMO.

 

[AdamH]

Not sure what that point was, but why is it a sad reflection of Canada? IMO, it's more sad to put flags on everything to help sell stuff, military parades, fireworks, etc. Patriotism is a lot more than that IMO.

Patriotism is dangerous.. Especially when it's practiced by the uneducated masses.

Most people seem to view Patriotism the same way they view their religion in that they feel it's a sin to question it.

I find I was less Patriotic when we were being governed by Stephen Harper and he decided we should abandon the Kyoto Protocol. I felt very Patriotic under Chretien (probably most Patriotic when he told the US that we wouldn't be joining their War in Iraq). But most idiots don't have varying degrees of Patriotism. They just say dumb ass shit like "BEST COUNTRY EVER" or "LAND OF THE FREE" or whatever nonsensical drivel they're regurgitating. Patriotism is a great way to keep the proletariat on your side while you take away their rights and freedoms.

 

[John Wick]

Patriotism is dangerous.. Especially when it's practiced by the uneducated masses.

Most people seem to view Patriotism the same way they view their religion in that they feel it's a sin to question it.

I find I was less Patriotic when we were being governed by Stephen Harper and he decided we should abandon the Kyoto Protocol. I felt very Patriotic under Chretien (probably most Patriotic when he told the US that we wouldn't be joining their War in Iraq). But most idiots don't have varying degrees of Patriotism. They just say dumb ass shit like "BEST COUNTRY EVER" or "LAND OF THE FREE" or whatever nonsensical drivel they're regurgitating. Patriotism is a great way to keep the proletariat on your side while you take away their rights and freedoms.

So you're equating patriotism with propaganda? I assume from your comment above that you do not see yourself as part of the 'uneducated masses'? Feels like a very elitist perspective, particularly when partnered with your implied notion that democratic electorates are nothing more than easily influenced and manipulated sheep.

 

[John Wick]

So what happens now that CTV big mouth Jess Allen has essentially doubled down on the same type of offensive discourse as Cherry but has specifically called out whites? Shouldn't she get the toss as well? #firejessallen

 

[AdamH]

So you're equating patriotism with propaganda? I assume from your comment above that you do not see yourself as part of the 'uneducated masses'? Feels like a very elitist perspective, particularly when partnered with your implied notion that democratic electorates are nothing more than easily influenced and manipulated sheep.

... No, I'm not "equating" propaganda and patriotism. Propaganda is news or information that is biased or misleading. Patriotism is how somebody feels about their country. Not sure where you're confused here.

Patriotism is the devotion to your homeland, regardless of your individuality. It creates yet another divide between "Us" and "Them", which effectively means it strips you of some of your humanity. It is one of the main tools used by demagogues to rally the ignorant masses. It is dangerous.

 

[scourge]

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it
-Mark Twain

 

[John Wick]

... No, I'm not "equating" propaganda and patriotism. Propaganda is news or information that is biased or misleading. Patriotism is how somebody feels about their country. Not sure where you're confused here.

Patriotism is the devotion to your homeland, regardless of your individuality. It creates yet another divide between "Us" and "Them", which effectively means it strips you of some of your humanity. It is one of the main tools used by demagogues to rally the ignorant masses. It is dangerous.

I think you need to do a tad more research on patriotism versus, say, other concepts such as nationalism.

Patriotism is only dangerous if it becomes a mandatory political doctrine, when it can be used to turn groups of people against each other and can even lead the country to reject its fundamental values. I don't think this is even remotely the case in Canada. I think the supposed linkage you purport exists between misplaced patriotism and the lack of formal education is also a badly flawed hypothesis.

I think what you're really talking about is communism, and specifically as it exists today in a country like China.