Sure. Even though I don't like his approach to running the team does not mean that he doesn't understand the concept of market size.
The Blue Jays 2019 Season
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I love Barker on radio, I never have to listen to him!!! He was horrid as Zahn's TV replacement last year.I can't stand listening to Kevin Barker. He wouldn't have a job if Hazel Mae wasn't his wife.
He's not bad as a colour guy on the radio, but he sucks on blue jays central at noon as well as anything he does on TV.I love Barker on radio, I never have to listen to him!!! He was horrid as Zahn's TV replacement last year.
As far as nationwide fan support the Jays are probably the biggest market in MLB, but if you're not spending like a big market are you really a big market team then??Just heard Dan and Buck say that during shapeero's media day today, the Jays' president admitted (in Dan and Buck's words) that "Toronto is a huge market". Just to ensure that this does not go over your head, the key word is "huge".
Be a man and admit that you have been wrong all along arguing that Toronto is not a big market. Anything more than an unequivocal admission just would make you look foolish.
Toronto is a big market with enormous resources at their disposal
Its kinda like owning a Ferrari without the engine
Yes.As far as nationwide fan support the Jays are probably the biggest market in MLB, but if you're not spending like a big market are you really a big market team then??
If a 6'5" defenceman plays with the physicality of a 5'8" player, he is still 6'5" when they measure his height.
Just because they refuse to take advantage of the huge market at their disposal, does not make that market any smaller.
Phil, you are the only person, that for some reason, cannot comprehend this point. Even shapeero admitted that the Jays have a huge market. Why are you still debating this?
In that case, what is the statute of limitations?
What is a reasonable time frame for a management that inherited a talented playoff team and has the resources of a huge market and one of the wealthiest owners to return them to the playoffs?
IMO, anything over 5 years is a fail. (I know they made the playoffs in the 1st year of shapeero, but it was all based on AA's work. Shaps did next to nothing to try to get a team that was so close to winning the AL to the next level, the WS. I feel that he squandered their position as a very talented team. He did not want to win with a team that was assembled by someone not named mark shapiro.
I understand perfectly what you're trying to say, I just dont agree with it because there are more factors that go into defining what a big market team is then just how many fans you have. Another important factor is how many high priced free agents want to come here (or are Rogers willing to sign), and the answer is very few.Yes.
If a 6'5" defenceman plays with the physicality of a 5'8" player, he is still 6'5" when they measure his height.
Just because they refuse to take advantage of the huge market at their disposal, does not make that market any smaller.
Phil, you are the only person, that for some reason, cannot comprehend this point. Even shapeero admitted that the Jays have a huge market. Why are you still debating this?
Add to that we are #16 on Forbes most valuable MLB teams and I'm sorry but we're just not a big market team: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...nkees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#5613a21269b2
Let's try this, Toronto is a team that is in a big market. Hence they are by definition, a big market team. A "big market team" does not mean that they act like big shots and throw around a lot of money. Milwaukee could field a payroll of $250M, but they would still be a small market team, because they have a small fan base.I understand perfectly what you're trying to say, I just dont agree with it because there are more factors that go into defining what a big market team is then just how many fans you have. ]
To address the bolded area, you are wrong. There is One and only ONE factor that goes into the definition, and that is the size of the market. The Jays are a team that is in a big market and has access to more fans than most teams.
Russ Adams Jr. Lyle Overbay Jr. LOLShould only hire sons of previous major leaguers from now on.
It all comes to a matter of opinion anyways, but I disagree we are a big market team. And our #16 position on Forbes would confirm thatLet's try this, Toronto is a team that is in a big market. Hence they are by definition, a big market team. A "big market team" does not mean that they act like big shots and throw around a lot of money. Milwaukee could field a payroll of $250M, but they would still be a small market team, because they have a small fan base.
To address the bolded area, you are wrong. There is One and only ONE factor that goes into the definition, and that is the size of the market. The Jays are a team that is in a big market and has access to more fans than most teams
It is fact. Not opinion. (I didn't know that Forbes calculates populations.)It all comes to a matter of opinion anyways, but I disagree we are a big market team. And our #16 position on Forbes would confirm that
You are just too thick too understand something so basic.
Of all the foolish things on which you are fixated, this the most foolish!He did not want to win with a team that was assembled by someone not named mark shapiro.
First of all, you have no clue what professionalism means (btw, what is your occupation/profession?).
In the second place, what is the evicence in support of this foolish obsession?
Perry
Except we're not a big market team, honeybunIt is fact. Not opinion. (I didn't know that Forbes calculates populations.)
You are just too thick too understand something so basic
That's just a little embellishment I like to throw in, which you are justified in calling me on because it is admittedly just provocative speculation (but it sure has the appearance of being a purge of anything AA.). If that is all you are calling me on, I guess the rest of my criticisms of management are not as easy to dispute. It has taken 4 years of year over year decline just to go from the playoffs to a hundred loss season. How long should it take for a team to go from 100 losses to playoff contending?Of all the foolish things on which you are fixated, this the most foolish!
First of all, you have no clue what professionalism means (btw, what is your occupation/profession?).
In the second place, what is the evicence in support of this foolish obsession?
Perry
BTW, I did 9 years (didn't even have to repeat any LOL) of undergrad and post-grad university to achieve my profession which is legislated by a college similar to the Law Society. Thank you. So I know very well what professionalism entails.
Phil, you keep displaying that you have no clue what you are talking about.Except we're not a big market team, honeybun
You said yourself that the Jays have probably the largest fan based market in MLB. You are arguing against yourself.
Read my posts more carefully, I'm saying that's not the only criteria what you base on what a big market team isPhil, you keep displaying that you have no clue what you are talking about.
You said yourself that the Jays have probably the largest fan based market in MLB. You are arguing against yourself
You are using a wrong definition of "big market team". It is a team that exists in a market with a larger than most population, which you've admitted is The Jays' situation. It is not necessarily a team that has a high profile and spends a lot of money. (Most teams that have a very large fan base, do conduct themselves thusly. Sadly the Jays do not. That is a very large factor in my disappointment in management.)Read my posts more carefully, I'm saying that's not the only criteria what you base on what a big market team is
As simple as that concept is, I suspect that you are unable to grasp it.
Its you who doesnt get it, look at the top of the Forbes list, all the big teams are there (Yankees, Dodgers, Sox, Cubs, Giants and Mets).You are using a wrong definition of "big market team". It is a team that exists in a market with a larger than most population, which you've admitted is The Jays' situation. It is not a team that has a high profile and spends a lot of money.
As simple as that concept is, I suspect that you are unable to grasp it
Those are your big market teams. And where are the Jays, 16th on the list: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...nkees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#5613a21269b2
You can have the biggest fanbase in the league, but still not be a big market team.
In 1992/1993 Jays were definitely a big market team. All the high priced free agents wanted to come here. Now they dont, and thats because Rogers doesnt want to spend the money. It seems they prefer the slow rebuilding process from within the youth system
