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Right-wing terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism - which one is the greater global threat??

oldjones

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Good. Go away then :wave:
Not before I make good my earlier omission and compliment you on at last stating the obvious: You and I have been talking about one murderer in one city in France, and that's all. Nothing to do with 'all Muslims', 'many Muslims' or even 'other Muslims', nor with Islam as a religion. It took you a good while, but you did get there.

I'll certainly go when I lose interest. With my small mind that means when people stop making simple obvious misstatements that even I can spot.
 

K Douglas

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Same reaction phil gave to me when challenged.
Shoddy sources and rules to exclude civilians based on race.
tsk, tsk.
You're a joke because you have no idea what the criteria for terrorism is. The US Army is not a terrorist organization and does not target innocent civilians. Contrary to your warped left wing extremist beliefs.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Not before I make good my earlier omission and compliment you on at last stating the obvious: You and I have been talking about one murderer in one city in France, and that's all. Nothing to do with 'all Muslims', 'many Muslims' or even 'other Muslims', nor with Islam as a religion
Nope, I never said ALL muslims are terrorists, I said here we once again have a muslim committing a terrorist attack

I'll certainly go when I lose interest
Please do
 

Frankfooter

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You're a joke because you have no idea what the criteria for terrorism is. The US Army is not a terrorist organization and does not target innocent civilians. Contrary to your warped left wing extremist beliefs.
So its totally peachy if the US army targets and kills a family by bombing them in their house but its terrorism if someone else does it?
Explain.
 

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Terror in Burkina Faso: how insurgents brought chaos to the once-stable Francophone state

Abdoulaye only left when a fellow primary school teacher was murdered by jihadists, in front of a classroom full of children.

“When you are in danger you don’t sleep. You’re constantly stressed. You walk down the street thinking that someone could murder you any moment,” he said, recalling the moment in 2017 when he fled his village in northern Burkina Faso.

Abdoulaye is an alias he uses due to ongoing threats against his life. The young teacher has not worked since leaving his community, and struggles with the cost of living in the capital, Ouagadougou.

Violence has displaced more than 150,000 people in this poor West African country over the last two years alone.

In a turbulent region, Burkina Faso was known until recently for its stability but that has now changed.

When Blaise Compaore, who turned the country into one of the poorest in the world after seizing power in a coup in 1987, was turfed out in a popular revolution five years ago hopes were raised that the country would find a way to prosper.

But those hopes began to crumble after jihadists killed 28 people in a Ouagadougou hotel popular with westerners in January, 2016.

It was the first significant sign that Burkina Faso was being sucked into an Islamist insurgency sweeping across the southern fringes of the Sahara desert, a region known as the Sahel.

Since then, Islamist groups from Mali and Niger have relentlessly expanded their attacks in Burkina Faso, threatening both the country’s political transition and its social cohesion.

The Islamic State in the Levant (Isil) has also moved into the region, sensing in the Sahel’s vulnerability an opportunity to recreate its dreams of a caliphate, shattered after defeat in Iraq and Syria.

Currently, more than 145,000 children are out of school and 1,000 educational establishments have closed their doors due to extremist threats.

But as it turned out, the school attacks were just the beginning.

What started with targeted ambushes on the military and moved on to teachers and village chiefs has accelerated. Wherever you look, the once tight social fabric that held two dozen ethnic groups together is unravelling in Burkina Faso.

The Burkinabe military is still struggling to contain Al-Qaeda-affiliated Jamaat Nusrat al-Islam wal Muslimeen (JNIM) jihadists in the north, and Islamic State in the Greater Sahara (ISGS) extremists in the east.

Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi made a point of accepting an ISGS pledge of allegiance in his first propaganda video in five years, urging the local branch to “avenge their brothers in Iraq and Sham”.

As the jihadists have strengthened their numbers and bolstered their firepower by subcontracting attacks to criminal groups, militias known as “Koglweogo” have formed and unleashed a terrible wave of violence against one ethnic group, the Fulanis, accused of collaborating with terrorists.

Since early April, unidentified gunmen have also attacked four churches in northern and central Burkina Faso, killing 22 people and adding a new dimension to conflict that has already divided previously peaceful communities.

“The jihadists manipulate community tensions very effectively,” said Burkinabe security analyst analyst Mahamoudou Savadogo. “They are opportunistic. They profit from that to gain followers.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/...rgents-brought-chaos-once-stable-francophone/
 

basketcase

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So its totally peachy if the US army targets and kills a family by bombing them in their house but its terrorism if someone else does it?
Explain.
Do you have evidence that the US targeted those civilians? Something can be horrible and not be terrorism.
 

Frankfooter

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Do you have evidence that the US targeted those civilians? Something can be horrible and not be terrorism.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2019-06-03/us-bomb-kills-afghan-family

Again, I'm just asking that the same standards be applied to both sides.
Phil calls all Afghans killed by the US 'fatalities of war' and all Afghans or Americans killed by the Taliban 'terrorism'. That takes a term that is supposed to be just about intentionally targeting civilians in order to 'terrorize' a population and applies it based race, in order to turn it into a political tool to demonize a people. As you know.

Its quite possible that this was a horrid mistake in intel, but its also possible that the attacks Phil lists were also just horrid attacks of war and not targeted terrorism.
But Phil instead just uses brown and white labelling for which attacks he calls 'terrorism'.
 

oldjones

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Nope, I never said ALL muslims are terrorists, I said here we once again have a muslim committing a terrorist attack…
Nor did I say you had. I noted your forceful assertion that this was one unique individual's crime, not a matter of religion.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Nor did I say you had. I noted your forceful assertion that this was one unique individual's crime, not a matter of religion
When the perpetrator commits a terrorist attack in the name of Islam, it most certainly is a matter of religion
 

basketcase

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I love when you spam lengthy articles that do nothing to support your point. Nowhere in that article does it give evidence that the US intentionally targeted civilians. In fact it documents one witness who stated that while US soldiers were raiding a Taliban prison they were fired at from civilian homes which is what the US states.

But you will continue to call it terrorism when military operations accidentally kill civilians while pretending attacks that set out to kill civilians are military, not terrorism, solely depending on which side you like.
 

doggystyle99

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Both are great threats globally. I would say right now Islamic terrorism happens more often but right wing terrorism is a greater threat due to the fact that Right wing terrorism is growing exponentially around the globe and if it is not stopped, within a few years right wing terrorist attacks will happen a lot more frequently and will have a lot more acceptance amongst the crowd who have bigoted views. Many of them on this board who make excuses when it happens.
Wargames is a perfect example, his posts following attacks are attempts at excusing the attackers. Which is quite shameful.
 

Frankfooter

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I love when you spam lengthy articles that do nothing to support your point. Nowhere in that article does it give evidence that the US intentionally targeted civilians. In fact it documents one witness who stated that while US soldiers were raiding a Taliban prison they were fired at from civilian homes which is what the US states.

But you will continue to call it terrorism when military operations accidentally kill civilians while pretending attacks that set out to kill civilians are military, not terrorism, solely depending on which side you like.
You, like Phil, are always willing to excuse when the people you like kill civilians, to accept any excuses or rationales.
Yet you would never accept any such excuse form a Muslim source just as you never accept excuses from Palestinians.
Its a double standard, where you use the word 'terrorism' on a racial basis in order to demonize a people and foment hatred on the 'other'.
 

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Extremist Muslim gangs are recruiting prisoners to be their foot soldiers and 'beating them' if they refuse to convert to Islam

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...fund-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-year.html
wrong link posted



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ngs-beating-prisoners-wont-convert-Islam.html

Extremist Muslim gangs are recruiting prisoners to be their foot soldiers and 'beating them' if they refuse to convert to Islam
Ministry of Justice report warns of extremist gangs targeting other inmates
They target offenders in street gangs who have a 'propensity for violence'
Follows series of warnings that jails are a breeding ground for extremism
 

canada-man

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TIMES SQUARE, Manhattan (WABC) -- A Queens man is in federal custody after he allegedly tried to buy guns and grenades in order to carry out a terror attack in Times Square.

Officials said 22-year-old Ashiqul Alam, of Jackson Heights, was intercepted by federal and local officials, and he posed no imminent threat, as police were monitering his activities.

Investigators said between August 2018 and now, Alam repeatedly expressed a desire to purchase firearms and explosives for use in a terrorist attack. He considered either Times Square or Washington, D.C., where he could kill a senior government official.

In January, he traveled to Times Square several times for "recon" and recorded video as he searched for potential targets, officials said. He also allegedly considered several ways to carry out the attack, including using a suicide vest or AR-15 assault rifles to kill police.

Investigators said he got in touch with an undercover officer on the internet while trying to purchase two Glock 9mm pistols. He was told that the firearms would have obliterated serial numbers, and he reportedly replied, "Oh, that's good, man."

He later met with the people believed were going to sell him firearms and discussed purchasing grenades because they could "take out at least eight people," officials said.

While plotting to carry out the attack, Alam strategically underwent Lasik eye surgery because he was worried about his glasses falling off, investigators said.

"Let's say we are in an attack, right, say that my glasses fall off. What if I accidentally shoot you? You know what I mean. Imagine what the news channel would call me the 'Looney Tunes Terrorist' or the 'Blind Terrorist,'" Alam said, according to investigators.

During this time, he also expressed praise for Osama bin Laden and said carrying out this attack would make him a "legend," according to the criminal complaint. When asked what would make him happy, he replied "seeing the flag of Islam on the Twin Towers or the Empire State Building," he said, according to the complaint.

Investigators said Alam again met with the individual he believed was going to sell him firearms and gave them $400. He was arrested shortly afterward.

Alam appeared in federal court in Downtown Brooklyn Friday. The judge issued an order of detention for the defendant, citing that he poses a danger to the community and a risk of flight. The next hearing date is set for June 21 at 11:00 a.m.

He is not believed to be linked to any other people or part of a larger plot.

Alam is a Bangladeshi citizen and permanent United States resident. Eyewitness News talked to several neighbors who said they really didn't know him, describing Alam as quiet.

The U.S. Attorney's Office is expected to comment later Friday. The NYPD referred questions to the FBI.

https://abc7ny.com/man-in-custody-in-alleged-times-square-grenade-plot-report-/5336479/


German prosecutors: Tunisian planned ricin terror bombing against 'unbelievers'
German prosecutors have widened their probe into a foiled biological terror attack. Meanwhile two suspected accomplices have also been arrested in Tunisia, one of whom planned a "simultaneous" attack in that country.

German authorities on Friday revealed further details of an investigation into a Tunisian man accused of planning an Islamist-inspired terror attack using a biological weapon.

Sief Allah H. was arrested in June in a commando raid on his apartment in the western city of Cologne. Investigators found "toxic substances" that were later determined to be deadly ricin poison. The 29-year-old was also alleged to have bomb-making materials in his possession.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-prosec...terror-bombing-against-unbelievers/a-44949132
 

basketcase

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You, like Phil, are always willing to excuse when the people you like kill civilians, to accept any excuses or rationales....
The groups you support openly admit they want to kill civilians and you claim it is racist to call them terrorists. Meanwhile you call the US terrorists in this case because civilians were killed in what (according to your source) was either a gun battle with active combatants in that house or an accident with the wrong house being targeted.

Bombing the wrong hose is bad but it is not terrorism.

But you are making progress as you have finally admitted that Hamas rockets are terror weapons.
 
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