So far, the only people who have said stuff like that are people like you. Who made it up. Fake views.
Quote the real deal, if you want to be believed by anyone but your tiny minority rump.
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Quote the real deal, if you want to be believed by anyone but your tiny minority rump.
Those are the 'ramblings' of liberals you should be well aware of. If you haven't heard the term 'gender identity' or haven't read that MEN are competing in woman's competitive sports, try stepping away from Terb and join the rest of society to see what 'your' liberals folks are pushing. In Canada you can legally change your status from male to female 'if' you identify as a woman. Transgenders MEN are now in 'all woman's' shelters.
I'm guessing you don't get much social interaction in the real world so your best option is 'google' old man
Human rights "crystalized in the 18th century" because oppressive monarchs of newly evolved nation-states denied there was any such thing and tried to rule like feudal barons. In fact as some guy in a wig put it, rights always were, and still are an endowment of the Creator, eternal and inalienable. Back through history, under common law and before, we didn't need such aggressive terminology, and simpler, more basic terms like 'justice' — Roman again — were sufficient to stand against oppression. And as the current wave of laws proves, the aggressive wording is still needed, because democracies can be as oppressive as dukedoms.
Don't whine about semantics when that's all you're offering. When you quote someone other than yourself about the demand for late-term abortions we can hope to discuss that topic rationally. Similarly if you can come up with some quotes from women refusing responsibility but demanding their right to decide. Please don't subject us to more of what you imagine, some people you imagine, might want and say. The real words please.
Even totalled together you anti-women guys haven't made a single rational real-world point yet. You're sabotaging your various personal creds, offering nothing but empty generalizations without the slightest evidence to back any of it. As prejudiced and bigoted as racism at it's worst.
Why not make yourselves look noble and virtuous instead, and explain how your abortion bans will make all those unwanted babies into America's best and brightest.
Instead of filling its jails.
You like Andrea Bocelli?? Doctors told his mother to have an abortion. Good thing she didn't, he's a musical genius that the world would have missed out on.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7810902/Andrea-Bocelli-praises-mother-for-rejecting-doctors-advice-to-abort.html
Nothing at all to do with what I asked.
If you have your own point to make with that example, you should get started on it. But be sure to give Mama Bocelli proper credit for her decision to have the baby she wanted, when that was a choice she could freely make.
For starters. Can't you keep track?Wargy said:
But, again if you want to come across as a thoughtful adult, either leave your obsession with gender choice out of this thread on abortions, or quote real liberal people really speaking for all liberals and saying these things you say all liberals say about it.
My point was Andrea Bocelli would have been illegally aborted had his mother listened to the unlawful doctor who told her he would not survive or would be incapacitated the rest of his life if he did survive.
We know how it turned out
Bocelli is grateful his mother ignored the doctors fear mongering and spared his life and by extension so is the rest of the world.
I guess you just can't google things for yourself. You're the kind of guy who needs to be hand walked through everything.
Old Jones - "Men have NO right debating woman's reproductive rights"
Meanwhile back at the ranch: Men who 'identify' as a woman can legally change their status to a woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Canada
Old Jones - "Men have no right making decisions about abortions"
Back at the ranch: Men are woman and now can compete in all womans competitve sports.
https://www.economist.com/international/2019/05/11/what-caster-semenyas-case-means-for-womens-sport
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/rachel-mckinnon-becomes-first-transgender-woman-win-track-world-title-397473
Google the rest yourself.
Can't wait for more cases like this to start popping up. Man sues abortion clinic for aborting his unborn child(clump of cells if you're a liberal) that he had with girlfriend.
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/alabama-judge-allows-man-to-sue-on-behalf-of-aborted-fetus.html
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Sorry but what do women playing sports or genetic men defining themselves as women have to do with abortion?
The funny thing about this is that the right are usually supporting individual rights and freedoms as the main features of their desired society while saying women don't have the right to control their own body.
p.s. Your Bocelli hypothetical is ridiculous. Would you accept the argument that if abortion were legal, mama Hitler might have saved the world a lot of hassle?
What? Are you uncomfortable discussing killing of a viable and defenseless human being? A civilization must be judged by how it treats the most vulnerable among us. It's disheartening how easily the values of humanism are sacrificed in the defense of the indefensible.
It only matters if you're the same type of genius who think men have no right debating abortion. Woman are now men & men are woman who have a right to their opinions on whether they agree or not with abortion. That's 'the' point.
Even Baby Hitler deserved his right to life. If it wasn't him, it would have been some other Hitler. But I do love how liberals are pro-science until it comes to abortions; life begins at conception. Personally, I'm pro choice within reason. Late term abortions - 2nd & 3rd trimester is where things start getting ugly.
P.S Eh Basket
Just for fun........
I move seen and read about studies on abortion and crime stats.
Consistently in regions where abortion was legalized the crime rate starts to decline 18 years later. Sooner than that the poverty rates start to decline.
There is a very good right wing argument for legalization from a fiscal stand point.
I move seen and read about studies on abortion and crime stats.
Consistently in regions where abortion was legalized the crime rate starts to decline 18 years later. Sooner than that the poverty rates start to decline.
There is a very good right wing argument for legalization from a fiscal stand point.
If we kill all babies before they're born, the crime rate will eventually drop to zero.
Crime rates have been falling steadily as the boomers were aging. Just for fun- a 100% abortion rate should eliminate crime altogether. No?
It wasn't just North America. Studies in every Country and every at state and provincial level that did it found the same result.
It isn't about killing babies. It's about preventing unwanted pregnancies that result in women trspied in bad relationships or havingvyo become single moms.
Lower crime rate, lower welfare levels, less burden on the tax system, smaller prison population........
Are you against these things?
Yep. But killing the ones they don't want costs alot less that welfare and prison.
I'm not opposed to abortion. Never been. But, I'm opposed to an irresponsible, late term, elective ones.
Why ask? I can, if you can. If you want to, please go ahead; so far all you've talked about is the imaginary sayings of your imaginary advocates of late-term abortions — a very small subtopic of the abortion issue — without being able to quote a single one. Now you're switching to other imaginings about civilization.
I have no interest in whoever you imagine might judge the civilization I am part of. What I do care about is what tiny bit I can do to create and direct and help to improve that civilization. The most vulnerable of those among us would be those unwanted children that callous and cruel rulers compelled women to bear, by threat of punishment. Do you think lives of helpless misfortune, poverty and abuse are civilization? To claim the civilized values of humanism for this abuse of mothers and children is the deepest sort of hypocrisy. Civilizations are built on shared values and understandings. Clearly there's no widely shared understanding that prosecuting women who choose not to bear unwanted children is a value we all want.
But caring for the vulnerable is. Yet again I ask: Where in your posts or in the legislation and speeches of the anti-women crusaders can I find positive speeches and practical measures to support and care for those vulnerable children you and they would force into this world?
If you have none, then it's all up to the mothers isn't it? And if it's all up to them, why shouldn't it be all up to them whether to have the child at all?
