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Sorry Bernie and AOC! New Poll Shows Only 10 Percent of Americans Want Socialism

Butler1000

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Like when they gloatingly post a poll that also says the majority of Americans support the socialist dream of universal health care.
This is why I'm laughing at the polls showing Biden's lead.

It won't last. Jeb Bush 2.0
 

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All or almost all first world countries started out as capitalist countries. Socialism can only exist where capitalism is the "goose that laid the golden egg". It's nice to talk about spreading the wealth but somebody has to create the wealth first.
you still fail to recognize that there are degrees of socialism. Even the US Republicans support some level of publicly funded education. Do you think Canada should scrap socialized medicine?
 

jcpro

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you still fail to recognize that there are degrees of socialism. Even the US Republicans support some level of publicly funded education. Do you think Canada should scrap socialized medicine?
The definition of socialism is straight forward- control of the means of production (economy). Social programs are NOT socialism. If they were, the free grain dole of the late Roman Republic would have been considered socialism. In other words socialism is an economic and ideological description. Capitalism is is just an economic system.
 

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I think socialism started when our ancestors were still living in caves. One brave man (or woman) left the cave to kill a mammoth to feed his family. When he brought the mammoth back to the cave the other 1,000 people there said everybody should get an equal share of the mammoth because "It's only fair".
 

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Lol. I prefer Sanders to Biden. Now where my backing lies depends on the conduct of the DNC. Rigging the Primary again will not go down well with the electorate and will, whatever my thoughts, result in a 2nd Trump term.
You seem to want a Trump 2nd term anyway. I do not mind either Biden or Sanders or any of the 20+ other Democrats, as long as they boot Trump out of office. What if Biden wins the nomination, which seems extremely likely at this stage, would you then support him over Trump??
 

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You seem to want a Trump 2nd term anyway. I do not mind either Biden or Sanders or any of the 20+ other Democrats, as long as they boot Trump out of office. What if Biden wins the nomination, which seems extremely likely at this stage, would you then support him over Trump??
I would support neither.
 

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His long history and votes in the Senate contradict his "promises" now. Actions speak far louder than words.
Just a couple of ridiculous stuff that he did matters not any longer. He now has the support of the very broad base and I will take his promises over any of Trump's, and that is what really matters!!
 

Butler1000

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Your arguments have always sided with Trump!!
No, they haven't. Really only about the investigation. And so far I'm still right about the outcome.

When it comes to policy I have very little to nothing in common with Biden. He is against Medicare for all, pro war, pro Wall St over people. He takes money from the lobbyists and special interests and then does their bidding.

Trump is an ass, a liar, incompetent, on and on.

Neither is a choice.

Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, maybe Yang. Or it's back to only looking out for big money one way or another.
 

bver_hunter

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No, they haven't. Really only about the investigation. And so far I'm still right about the outcome.

When it comes to policy I have very little to nothing in common with Biden. He is against Medicare for all, pro war, pro Wall St over people. He takes money from the lobbyists and special interests and then does their bidding.

Trump is an ass, a liar, incompetent, on and on.

Neither is a choice.

Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, maybe Yang. Or it's back to only looking out for big money one way or another.
The investigation saga is hardly over. We know that when over 800 former attested Prosecutors signed a letter accusing Trump of Obstruction of Justice. Even the former investigator Comes has come out to accuse Trump of it.

Comey: "Sure Looks Like" Trump Obstructed Justice; Would Be Charged and Prosecuted If Not President:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._charged_and_prosecuted_if_not_president.html

Biden has far more integrity than Trump. Show us where he was under investigation for all the fraudulent and other illegal activities like Trump is currently being investigated!! So how could you put them in the same bracket??
 

wigglee

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The definition of socialism is straight forward- control of the means of production (economy). Social programs are NOT socialism. If they were, the free grain dole of the late Roman Republic would have been considered socialism. In other words socialism is an economic and ideological description. Capitalism is is just an economic system.
Then why do conservatives scream "Socialism" or even "Communism" everytime they hear "publicly funded healthcare"? Can't have it both ways..
 

jcpro

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Then why do conservatives scream "Socialism" or even "Communism" everytime they hear "publicly funded healthcare"? Can't have it both ways..
You're just listening. The mandating of ths single payer can only be accomplished by the government's destruction of the private system- government taking over the administrative and the delivery. That's a very definition of socialism.
 

Butler1000

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The investigation saga is hardly over. We know that when over 800 former attested Prosecutors signed a letter accusing Trump of Obstruction of Justice. Even the former investigator Comes has come out to accuse Trump of it.

Comey: "Sure Looks Like" Trump Obstructed Justice; Would Be Charged and Prosecuted If Not President:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._charged_and_prosecuted_if_not_president.html

Biden has far more integrity than Trump. Show us where he was under investigation for all the fraudulent and other illegal activities like Trump is currently being investigated!! So how could you put them in the same bracket??
Does Integrety include railroading Anita Hill, then saying he couldn't help her? How about the Crime Bill, with the commentary on the floor where is said he didn't care about the economic plight, but they need to be locked up( all the drug users).

Voting for the Iraq war? The Patriot Act? Corporate Friendly Finance Bills?

Taking max donations from the Head of Blue Cross opening night? Think he might help poor people with healthcare still? From Union busting legal firms? Think he might help union workers?

Bver he is the one taking in the big money at fundraisers filled with CEOs and donation bundlers. That means every time he says he is for "the little guy" he is lying.

Every single time.
 

Butler1000

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You're just listening. The mandating of ths single payer can only be accomplished by the government's destruction of the private system- government taking over the administrative and the delivery. That's a very definition of socialism.
Not completely no. We still have Private Insurance in Canada. It still exists. I have it.

But all basic and emergency care is covered.
 

Darts

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he is the one taking in the big money at fundraisers filled with CEOs and donation bundlers. That means every time he says he is for "the little guy" he is lying.
"Little guys" are much more numerous than "Big guys". They have 100 million votes but no surplus cash.
 
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