The Blue Jays 2019 Season

[gcostanza]

Now they've extended Randal Gricchuk 5 years 52 million??? Is that what a fringe MLB players is worth these days??

You think Grichuk is a "fringe major leaguer"?

This could explain why you're here with us, not running a MLB organization.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Alen Hanson looks to be nothing more than a utility player.
Derek Law had one excellent season in 2016: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawde01.shtml
De Paula has been phenomenal in the low minors so far: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=depaul000jua

So I'm guessing De Paula was the key player in this trade

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You think Grichuk is a "fringe major leaguer"?

This could explain why you're here with us, not running a MLB organization

2 homeruns today. He's on track to hit 60 homers.
But yeah, total fringe player.


(and yes I know he's not gonna hit 60 hr's)

 

[black booty lover]

You think Grichuk is a "fringe major leaguer"?

This could explain why you're here with us, not running a MLB organization.

So your telling me Grickuk has been so good at this point in his career that he's a main stay in any line up he's been in? That lifetime .250 batting average and 20 homers a season really blows the doors down. This should explain why your here not running a MLB organization.


Punk....

 

[black booty lover]

2 homeruns today. He's on track to hit 60 homers.
But yeah, total fringe player.


(and yes I know he's not gonna hit 60 hr's)

You think he's the first player in history to hit 2 home runs in a game that wasn't a solid player??? In September let me know how those "60" home runs are coming a long.....

 

[Dawgger]

Alen Hanson looks to be nothing more than a utility player.
Derek Law had one excellent season in 2016: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawde01.shtml
De Paula has been phenomenal in the low minors so far: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=depaul000jua

So I'm guessing De Paula was the key player in this trade

The scouting report I read did not indicate "phenomenal"! Fast ball tops out 97-98, has trouble controlling it. Has a curve ball and change up. Has a lot of trouble getting the curve ball over, a little more control with the change up. Possible a #4 starter down the road.

My guess would be reliever, maybe!

 

[blueray]

I think the Grichick numbers are about right.
Shoemaker looks good...let's hope he can stay healthy.
They drew 38,000 against Baltimore....in three games, lol.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The scouting report I read did not indicate "phenomenal"! Fast ball tops out 97-98, has trouble controlling it. Has a curve ball and change up. Has a lot of trouble getting the curve ball over, a little more control with the change up. Possible a #4 starter down the road.

My guess would be reliever, maybe!

He is still only 21 though, his fastball might gain a few MPH's and poor control is very common among A-ball pitchers

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You think he's the first player in history to hit 2 home runs in a game that wasn't a solid player??? In September let me know how those "60" home runs are coming a long.....

I guess you missed the part where I said "and yes I know he's not gonna hit 60 hr's".

If Grichuk can hit 25 to 30 homers, drive in 80+ ribbies and hit .260 or better, his season will be a success and his contract will have been worth it

 

[black booty lover]

I guess you missed the part where I said "and yes I know he's not gonna hit 60 hr's".

If Grichuk can hit 25 to 30 homers, drive in 80+ ribbies and hit .260 or better, his season will be a success and his contract will have been worth it

Okay, but that's "IF". He's a life time .248 hitter, his career high HR's is 25. His numbers are slightly better then I thought. Adam Jones puts up much better numbers and he could barely find a job until Arizona gave him a shot.

The only bone I'll throw you is I didn't realize the most games Randal Grichuk has played in a season is 132.

I still think it's a lot of money for him. Next year he makes 13 million. When you consider Kevin Pillar has 10 points better life time average but only made 3.2 million last year and only 5.8 million this year it's a big jump. Yes Grichuk hit's a few more home runs, but it's a bit offset by the average, so if you compare the two, the math doesn't make a lot of sense.

I guess the rational is, if Bryce harper is making 27 million a year, then Grichuk is worth 10 million because he's putting up more then 1/3 those numbers. Problem is lot's of guys batting or can bat .248 with 25 homers and they not finding jobs or they're getting low balled. In 2016 Chris Carter hit 41 HR's can could barely find a team to take him in 2017 until the Yankees signed him 1 year for 3 million. So you'll have to excuse me if I think 13 million next year for Grichuk is a little high.

Any BTW, it was kind of easy to missed part where you said "I know he's not going to hit 60 HR's" as it was in fine print at the bottom of your post.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Okay, but that's "IF". He's a life time .248 hitter, his career high HR's is 25. His numbers are slightly better then I thought. Adam Jones puts up much better numbers and he could barely find a job until Arizona gave him a shot.

The only bone I'll throw you is I didn't realize the most games Randal Grichuk has played in a season is 132.

I still think it's a lot of money for him. Next year he makes 13 million. When you consider Kevin Pillar has 10 points better life time average but only made 3.2 million last year and only 5.8 million this year it's a big jump. Yes Grichuk hit's a few more home runs, but it's a bit offset by the average, so if you compare the two, the math doesn't make a lot of sense

I think what the Jays are banking on is that Grichuk will get much better since he's only 27 years old.
My guess is he can be a steady 30/90/.265 hitter from age 27 to 31 (assuming he avoids injuries).

We'll see on October 1st if I'm right

 

[blueray]

My guess is he can be a steady 30/90/.265 hitter from age 27 to 31 (assuming he avoids injuries).

10 Million is a steal if he can put up those numbers! The RBI's won't be there this year because nobodys ever on base.

 

[Dawgger]

He is still only 21 though, his fastball might gain a few MPH's and poor control is very common among A-ball pitchers

yes 21 I should have mentioned that as it is a definite positive. would be hoping he learns to locate all his pitches more than throwing harder. 96 is friggin' hard.

 

[Zoot Allures]

10 Million is a steal if he can put up those numbers! The RBI's won't be there this year because nobodys ever on base.

How about Vlad the slayer? Who is gonna back him up? They will pitch around him and he cannot run so his value is limited until they get hitters around him so they have to pitch to him

 

[Zoot Allures]

yes 21 I should have mentioned that as it is a definite positive. would be hoping he learns to locate all his pitches more than throwing harder. 96 is friggin' hard.

Anything over 100 is impossible to hit but I will take a slower control pitcher over a hard thrower without control every time as well they last longer as throwing that hard is hard on the arm. This stuff about he is a hard thrower is overrated IHMO

 

[Zoot Allures]

I like the kind of baseball I am seeing. I find it much more interesting and fun than the base-to-base approach of the past many, many years. It's going to take a while until they can get their game up to consistent performance, but I look forward to it... if I live long enough!

On a related subject... this past winter I finally gave in and bought 4k service for my TV. Is anybody else as impressed as I am by the difference the quality of the video makes?

I can really see the game as it happens, not on instant replay. Especially the pitching. The nuances of the body language. The framing of the strike zone really helps me understand what is going on. I can see the flight, spin, depth and break of the ball much more clearly. And what the catcher and hitter are up to. Kudos to Rogers for putting it all together well!

As I have said before, I have changed my mind about Shatkins... I like what they are doing. On and off the field. :sorry:

Perry

This, as the Leafs and the Yankees showed success can come quicker on a rebuild than expected if you have a smart man in control then leave him alone

 

[black booty lover]

I think what the Jays are banking on is that Grichuk will get much better since he's only 27 years old.
My guess is he can be a steady 30/90/.265 hitter from age 27 to 31 (assuming he avoids injuries).

We'll see on October 1st if I'm right

Listen, if he puts up those numbers, yes it’s a fair contract. All I’m saying is he somewhat unproven, at least for the contrast he just got. This is a guy who was sent down to the minors several times before coming to the jays, and due to the CBA, he couldn’t be sent down again. Unlike know it all costanza, in my mind a guy who’s got a track record like that is somewhat of a fringe player. If this dude regresess this year, it’s even worse.

I hope you and the jays upper brass is right.

 

[Nad Smith]

Quite a new hitting coach we have.........and I know we want to like Charlie..but what is it Danny Janssen has on Charlie? Janssen is not a major league hitter, but Charlie has him hitting fifth, and bizarrely the other day leading off. Janssen should be batting ninth. Then again a lot of guys look like number 9 hitters

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Allright, which one of you was this??

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[Dawgger]

Quite a new hitting coach we have.........and I know we want to like Charlie..but what is it Danny Janssen has on Charlie? Janssen is not a major league hitter, but Charlie has him hitting fifth, and bizarrely the other day leading off. Janssen should be batting ninth. Then again a lot of guys look like number 9 hitters

Really Jays have players that "look like" hitters? Guess they are still in the minors as this roster is scary bad. I don't think Charlie is to blame as much as analytics for the line ups. Personally, I am old school and I prefer to believe what my eyes show me not what a computer says should, or is likely to, or might happen. Analytics may be useful in positioning players, but I doubt it shows you when I a player is in a groove. We all know hitters are often streaky and you would have a hard time convincing me the computer can detect that.