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Zenyatta

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It may always be a better place, but helping countries so that families don't feel like they have to risk their lives to escape their home countries would be far more effective and humane.
Though with the increasing divide between rich and poor in the US that Trump is aiding, maybe his plan to make life worse for Americans will help keep people from wanting to immigrate.
They have been giving aid to those countries for decades, the problem lies in the fact that the governments in those countries are very corrupt and they don't care about their citizens, they keep the aid money for themselves. Nothing will change until the corruption is eliminated, good luck on that ever happening.
 

Darts

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They have been giving aid to those countries for decades, the problem lies in the fact that the governments in those countries are very corrupt and they don't care about their citizens, they keep the aid money for themselves. Nothing will change until the corruption is eliminated, good luck on that ever happening.
There's a reason why 3rd world countries are 3rd world countries. Of course, it is easier to always blame the "white man".

I am an admirer of those Asian countries who pulled themselves up after the devastation of WW II. China, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Japan (although they caused the devastation). I think Vietnam will be the next "Asian Tiger".
 

james t kirk

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Let's do a little construction estimating shall we......just for a laugh.

Trump is a moron, we all know that, and his whole wall thing is definitely a moving target in so many ways. But If I recall, Cadet Bonspurs originally claimed the whole damn wall would cost 8 billion, but then I remember hearing 23 billion, and the Democrats claimed more like 70 billion.

But now I read that Cadet Bonespurs has compromised.

$1.375 billion [snicker]

That buys him 55 miles or approximately 88 kilometres of wall. Roughly the same distance as driving from Toronto to Grimsby Ontario. And that is mainly to replace existing fence that is in poor shape, so there is no land to be acquired and the land is already graded and infrastructure in place.

1.375 billion / 88 kilometres = 15.625 million dollars per km.

Now the US / Mexican border is roughly 3,200 km.

That equates to 50 billion dollars.

And that's just a straight line interpolation.

Add in acquiring land, going through mountains, watercourses, infrastructure, etc. You can probably double it to 100 billion.

Bit of a problem.

Oh wait, Mexico will pay for it. I forgot.
 

Insidious Von

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There's a reason why 3rd world countries are 3rd world countries. Of course, it is easier to always blame the "white man".

I am an admirer of those Asian countries who pulled themselves up after the devastation of WW II. China, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Japan (although they caused the devastation). I think Vietnam will be the next "Asian Tiger".
In regards to Latin America, yes you can blame the gringo. This is all George Herbert Bush's fault, as Nixon's CIA Director he interfered vigorously in Latin American affairs in the cause of fighting communism. Chile has recovered nicely; Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras have never recovered.

America learned a bitter lesson in Vietnam, which is why Asian countries fared better. Vietnam has much going for it but their government is corrupt and it's worse in Laos and Cambodia. Canada has benefited from Laotian immigration, the best Thai restaurants in our city are run by Laotian chefs.
 

K Douglas

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You DO know that declaring a national emergency doesn't guarantee him the funds, right?
No, you probably don't.
My sympathies to you and your offspring.
I am aware it would go to a court challenge but he'd win. There are other options at his disposal in any regard. And in the future if you take another personal shot at me or my family you'll be blocked. Capiche?
 

K Douglas

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The problem with the wall is two things:

1. It won’t work and it’s a stupid idea. If that was the only issue, though, Dems would just negotiate with trump and give him his ridiculous wall in exchange for something else they wanted. The problem, though, is...

2. trump has turned the wall into a giant multi-billion dollar symbol of racism, hatred, oppression, and fear of the “browning” of America. It has become the modern day equivalent of erecting statues of Confederate soldiers. Dems will thus not agree to this disgusting symbolism...trump wants it because it is symbolic of all the nasty shit he stands for.
1. It will work and it has worked everywhere it's been implemented. Border wall was constructed under WJC, GWB, BHO why not for DJT?
2. The media doing the bidding of the Un Democratic Party has turned the wall into a giant symbol of racism. And they should be ashamed of themselves.

BUILD THE WALL!!
 

Insidious Von

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Kirk ask the Chinese how well a wall works. Apart from the Steppe nomads I previously mentioned did The Great Wall help them when Imperial Japan took over Manchuria?
 

K Douglas

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Let's do a little construction estimating shall we......just for a laugh.

Trump is a moron, we all know that, and his whole wall thing is definitely a moving target in so many ways. But If I recall, Cadet Bonspurs originally claimed the whole damn wall would cost 8 billion, but then I remember hearing 23 billion, and the Democrats claimed more like 70 billion.

But now I read that Cadet Bonespurs has compromised.

$1.375 billion [snicker]

That buys him 55 miles or approximately 88 kilometres of wall. Roughly the same distance as driving from Toronto to Grimsby Ontario. And that is mainly to replace existing fence that is in poor shape, so there is no land to be acquired and the land is already graded and infrastructure in place.

1.375 billion / 88 kilometres = 15.625 million dollars per km.

Now the US / Mexican border is roughly 3,200 km.

That equates to 50 billion dollars.

And that's just a straight line interpolation.

Add in acquiring land, going through mountains, watercourses, infrastructure, etc. You can probably double it to 100 billion.

Bit of a problem.

Oh wait, Mexico will pay for it. I forgot.
There is already wall built. About 928 km worth. Some of it needs repaired/replaced. And the wall won't be built across the entire 3200 km border. It shouldn't cost nearly as much as you think. $12B total.
 

K Douglas

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Kirk ask the Chinese how well a wall works. Apart from the Steppe nomads I previously mentioned did The Great Wall help them when Imperial Japan took over Manchuria?
How about asking Israel how well their wall works? Or how about Hungary?
 

Darts

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Canada has benefited from Laotian immigration, the best Thai restaurants in our city are run by Laotian chefs.
Let's not forget.
South Koreans --- 24/7/365 convenience stores
Vietnamese --- own all the nail salons
Filipinos --- medical field
 

Darts

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did The Great Wall help them when Imperial Japan took over Manchuria?
Imperial Japan was unbeatable until the Americans sank 4 of their aircraft carriers at Midway on 1942.

Fortunately, the Latino migrants have nowhere near the firepower of Imperial Japan.

Also, let's not forget Hadrian's Wall. It kept the those nasty Scots from attacking the little Romans.
 

wigglee

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He should still declare a national emergency and get his funding that way. The Un Democrats are enemies of the people. Trump will hand them their asses in 2020.
LOL....... you sound pissed that the orange turd lost again. Oh well, maybe they'll put up a shower curtain. Look at all he's accomplished though in only 2 years! Destroyed healthcare , bent over for Putin , screwed the environment and undermined all the pillars of democracy and decency. All Hail the LYING KING!!!!
 

wigglee

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So many factors to take into account with the wall.

First, its not "Trump's Wall', its a security measure intended to make life safer for all Americans. It's not making good on a campaign promise, as much as its common sense to secure a Nations boarder.

Should Trump sign it? Yes. Because the main purpose of this would be about funding, and that means keeping the government open.
Is it a good deal? No, its shit. But there are other steps to take, that don't include another shutdown, or declaring an emergency.

I get that people who hate Trump, laugh at his supporters thinking they blindly follow.
I find it more disturbing, people actually have to fight over a mere 5 Billion, to secure a countries border. Or people who laugh, that the democrats fight hard to constantly obstruct everything Trump does.
People who want a nation to essentially do bad economically, have open boarders, or anything negative, just to say, Trump failed.

So, If Trump does sign this, what does it mean?
Most important, it means the government stays open, and that keeps many Republicans happy.

Yes, it would mean less money, but the agreement also rejects limits Democrats sought on detentions of immigrants apprehended in the U.S and that is huge. So while he conceded, so too did they.
Remember the last shutdown? Leading up to it, and during, democrats said NO money, and NO barrier. Nothing... zero

Well then 55 miles, and 1.3 billion is a hell of nothing, and serious down payment.

Trump can't get everything he wants, especially dealing with such unreasonable democrats. People get that, and many Republicans and supporters see the nonsense he has been put through when trying to make America safer.

Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri, a member of GOP leadership, said he’s examining the federal budget for ways Trump could use available funds for a wall without using an emergency declaration.

While Mark Meadows of North Carolina, said he believes Trump will sign the measure and then use executive action to gain additional funds for the wall.

End story, lets see how it plays out. Lets see what the 'fence' looks like, and how much more funds/resources become available to add to this starting point.
5 billion is just a down payment. The completed wall would be more like 50 billion. If you think the Democrats are being uncooperative, where where you for the Obama years when the Repuglicans had a strict policy of blocking every initiative they could on principle that is better to screw the nation than let Obama succeed.
 

james t kirk

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There is already wall built. About 928 km worth. Some of it needs repaired/replaced. And the wall won't be built across the entire 3200 km border. It shouldn't cost nearly as much as you think. $12B total.
A ha ha ha. I have a bridge for sale over the Don River for you if you're interested.

My prediction right now that even the 88 km that Bonespurs wants to install now will be massively over budget

Or have the scope substantially reduced to meet the budget.

Or have the quantity cut in half to meet the budget

Or not even get built at all in the next 2 years because there is no engineering done yet, no permits, no environmental assessment etc.

All of which will make Bonespurs look like a bigger moron than he already is.

Brilliantly played by the Democrats. Give Bonespurs just enough rope to hang himself.
 

wigglee

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I'm declaring a state of emergency! The current President is an unhinged, undemocratic lunatic!! He must be removed immediately !!!
 

shack

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I'm declaring a state of emergency! The current President is an unhinged, undemocratic lunatic!! He must be removed immediately !!!
That is #25.
 

Frankfooter

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Trump immediately announces the wall and loses all court cases on the matter.

"I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster," President Trump to @PeterAlexander on national emergency declaration to secure funding for border wall. http://nbcnews.to/2DGF771

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