The Blue Jays 2019 Season
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I think thats what we had to go with. What other choice did the Jays have??
Sad to see Tulo go, but shit happens
It was sad to see him be so useless. But since he was so useless, I don't think it is sad to see him go.
You can tell the Jays are out of it simply by listening to the radio. There is little to no chatter. In the winning years there was always something to talk about.
Aside from the Tulo thing, the biggest thing in weeks was trying to figure out the appetizers for the front office Christmas party.
Aside from the Tulo thing, the biggest thing in weeks was trying to figure out the appetizers for the front office Christmas party.
What's the league minimum? I didn't realize Tulo's new salary gets deducted from what the Jays owe him so that would explain why he's willing to play for peanuts. What does he care where the same money is coming from...
He never provided the leadership the Jays kind of brought him in for. And how many sports fans in our town even know what his voice sounds like ? I knew his complicated and lanky swing
would never work in the AL East. Had to get rid of Reyes and Tulo was good for the 2015 stretch. That contract was ridiculous, but we should have gone to the Series that year.....
would never work in the AL East. Had to get rid of Reyes and Tulo was good for the 2015 stretch. That contract was ridiculous, but we should have gone to the Series that year.....
My apologies, I thought league minimum in 2019 was going to be $600,000, it's actually $555,000.
Tulo's arrangement, should he sign with another club, will be no different than any other player who has been released, and signed by a new club, with term remaining on his initial deal. Think Kung Fu Panda~Pedro Sandoval, he's getting paid just over $18,000,000/season by Boston while the San Francisco Giants enjoy the fruits of his labours for just over $500K/year.
This may be the only way that the Jays are doing business like a big market team. What did we do to deserve this?
The reason they agree to this is it usually is the best option for both parties. Tulo gets all his money and still keeps getting an opportunity to play baseball and make more money, while jays feel good about staying under the luxury tax because the contract is now back loaded clearing room for a roster spot/money under the luxury tax.
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Unless the populations of the GTA and Canada have suddenly shrunk, yes. The Jays have no competition in the whole country. There are no other teams.
Maybe it depends on what your definition of "market" is. To me, the size of the market, i.e. population available from which to draw revenue is what determines whether it is a big market or a small market or somewhere in between. If an organization has a whole nation of 35 million and a population of over 6 million within an 80km radius and no other teams to compete with, that is the definition of a big market. Just because they don't know how to spend money to make money, does not diminish the number of people who consider them "their team". As an example, there have been years (as recently as their last playoff runs and in their glory years) where the Jays led or were very close to leading the league in attendance. How can they do that without having a big market from which to draw those fans? Unfortunately the Jays are in penny-pinching mode and not surprisingly attendance, viewership and revenue have all gone down to a point where a team located in a smaller city could generate similar numbers.
That means they are idiots who do not know how to take advantage of what is sitting right in front of them, but it does not make the number of people available who could/should be rooting for them any less. They still have 35 million people at their disposal.
If you have a different way of measuring the size of a market other than population, I'd like to hear it. To me, there are zero other factors or influences or circumstances to mitigate that definition. It begins and ends with population.
If you're looking at it from that perspective, yes, Blue Jays are a HUGE team, and very few teams can compare.
I dont know any teams who can attract 35 million fans.
If you're looking at it from how many free agents the Jays can attract, because you PERCEIVE we are a big market team, then I'm sorry, but we're not a big market team.
Thats just the way it is
I believe that what you are talking about is a function of how the team operates. The Jays ARE a big market team based on the fan base. How they are PERCEIVED by free agents is a different issue and is partly under control of the team. They have to find ways to make it desirable to free agents and that is a separate discussion. But as I said earlier, that does not change how many fans are available for the team to generate revenue. The size of the market is a function of one factor only, the population base.
Under shapeero, the Jays have made zero big signings. Is it because it is impossible to convince free agents to sign or is it because management just doesn't want to do what's necessary? shapeero claims that his mandate is to slash payroll. As such my belief is even though they have a fan base of 35 million from which to generate revenue and owners worth billions and billions of dollars, shapeero doesn't want to spend.
Clemens, Dave Stewart, Molitor, Winfield. If the Jays want to get free agents, they have done it before and have the resources to do it again. They simply do not have the will.
So the Jays have signed big name free agents and lead the league in attendance. I don't know how anyone can deny that they are big market, because they have proved it. It is up to management to take advange of it.
And I totally agree with you on that point. Jays have a 35 million team behind them.
The problem is, very few superstar ballplayers want to play in Toronto. Thats just the way it is.
In fact, some even have a clause in their contract that says they do NOT ever want play (or be traded to) in Toronto.
As much as that sucks, thats the way it is
You are conveniently ignoring their history that I pointed out. Clemens, Winfield, Stewart, Molitor, all were huge free agent signings. And the size of their market has increased. The GTA is much bigger, plus they don't have to compete with a team in Montreal.
Sorry, despite your perception to the contrary, Toronto IS a big market team. Management is not interested in attracting free agents even though previous management teams have proven that it can be done.
Please tell me why those don't count. Please tell me why leading the league in attendance does not count. I have proved my point. Your only argument is free agents. Not at all compelling. Your argument is weak. Give us more to back up your point.
So whatever his new team signs him for, the Jays owe the balance? Like if KC offers him 1 million over the A's half a million, now 1 million comes off the jays books?
