Agreed except for the last line. The guy mentioned by the OP is actually a desperate loser who was harassing her. But I get your point. Harassment is thrown around so casually nowadays for anything.
The worst part of being an SP...
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Funny guy, or gal. Not an SP and far from a white knight. My armor is far too soiled and banged up for white knight status.
I'm just a long time hobbyist who knows the business in and out. Pure economics of sex work: high end touring providers do not need, nor will they be bothered to "prove" their realness or go through ridiculous exercises to earn your business as their reputations speak for them...so, demanding hoops will reduce visits. Now, let's take the fly by night with sexy pics and catch phrases such as "1000% real photos" or "I do what your wife won't". These ladies will tell you to fuck off when asking for proof because they are often fake...besides, there are more than enough stiff cocks that double as brains waiting in the background to get their quick kitty fix and be on their way. Quick buck made and away they go, returning weeks or months later, often with a different name. Then you have your solid local ladies...many who we all have known and loved for years but, newbies don't know this so...they take advice from the hobby saviours and start demanding proof and, when they don't get it, they fake book and ghost...you know, taking the advice from the saviour's playbook. I think it reads something like "fake book the fakers". Oh, by the way, general saviour rule of thumb is essentially...failure to prove by pics I demand mean you must be fake therefore, you deserve to be fake booked because you are a scamming scumbag.
High end touring ladies take their business elsewhere, your solid local ladies start charging extra for previously included services and upping rates in order to make up for so many fake bookings. They also start touring more away from our city in order to earn in less restrictive and demanding markets. And, then there's your fly by nights...they put the word out that the market in Ottawa is fragile due to client narcissism and stupidity making it ripe for low budget, high volume pickings for those who just want to get their rocks off. Pure sex work economics and market analysis...clients are ruining the sex industry in Ottawa, not the fake and BS ladies.
If the Ottawa market asks for dated photo proof, and a "HIGH END" lady wants to avoid taking a photo with a one dollar newspaper every day, then said lady can choose to do whatever she wants with her business. However, apparently Ottawa wants proof of who you are if you're working here, this is what the market is asking for, no one has to visit from Bramalea or wherever the hell GTA if they dont want to lol
Really? So everyday we gotta do that. Take that extra time. But a paper we will never read. Just so you don't have to do your homework for getting yourself laid.
Ok.
You want to get laid you have to put in some work. I don't care if it is civie or paid. Work is involved.
Next you want a hot 20 something to just magically appear on your dick when it is hard.
And as mentioned - you have choice. There are SPs, like me, who put in the time, money and effort to make sure you know what you are getting. Maybe start seeing them instead of the other scammers who you need kidnap style pics from with a updated local paper.
Yes - don't throw money around. Put it to use with the SPs that equally give you what you need so you don't have to do the leg work. Seems to make sense to me.
Am i wrong or is it just basic human decency that is being asked for? Make a commitment, honour it. Something unforeseen happens, let the other know asap.
Once I believe I carried a period virus...lol...3 in a row in fact...prebook day before...around noon for 24 hours later...got an apologetic Aunt Flow text 4 hours later...book another, confirm at 9am next day, told of another Aunt Flow issue...booked another at 10am, texted back at 10.20 to say Aunt Flow really getting around lol...luckily the now defunct naughty nuru agency found one of their ebony delights who was willing to come in. But just being decent and courteous and trying to see things from someone else's POV solves 95% of these issues.
Once I believe I carried a period virus...lol...3 in a row in fact...prebook day before...around noon for 24 hours later...got an apologetic Aunt Flow text 4 hours later...book another, confirm at 9am next day, told of another Aunt Flow issue...booked another at 10am, texted back at 10.20 to say Aunt Flow really getting around lol...luckily the now defunct naughty nuru agency found one of their ebony delights who was willing to come in. But just being decent and courteous and trying to see things from someone else's POV solves 95% of these issues.
I can see how the high accurance of no shows would be annoying to work around. It does go both ways, recently I had a well reviewed sp ghost me after she provided the address minus the buzzer number. No apologies or explanation for wasting an hour of my time.
If everyone would post reviews and info on providers we would all be busy reading it, helping each other out by sharing our knowledge and experiences just as this board was intended, instead of there being a lack of it publicly so we continually bicker between ourselves only proving idle hands are the Devil's playground.
I got shit on a while back for making similar observations...added another few cents in and shit on again. I guess us middle aged guys who've been around for a while don't know anything about the business, the ladies or what works and doesn't work. Like teenagers, the newer generation knows it all and knows better ways of doing things. Sorry whippersnappers, different isn't always better, especially when you're dealing with real live human beings.
Respect for each other, the community and especially the ladies and their time goes a long way.
This has happened to most of us that have been hobbying for a while - plus the scammers when you do show up that basically rob you of your hard earned money (and fully taxed at that).
I’ve been reading this and I genuinely have a question. Is it really that hard to leave if the woman is not who she says she is? I have no experience as a client so I’m asking you and anyone else that has gone through a provider scamming them. If it were me, even though I have no experience in it, I would hypothetically just say to the woman, “You look nothing like your photos and our session hasn’t started yet so I’m going to go.” Then I would go home and post about them being a fraud on a thread. Your scammer threads are really useful. I’m just slightly confused about what the issue is with doing that. I’m not attacking anyone or angry or calling anything out. I also understand that it is a waste of the client’s time but we as providers waste a shit ton of our time with clients trying to deal with fakes and deal with things concerning them. Others have also been quoted as saying, “That’s part of the job,” so wouldn’t it be safe to say that you guys “wasting your time” seeing a provider that is a scammer is part of your role and a risk you have to deal with too? Shouldn’t everyone including clients be held to the same standards? It’s give and take and I think we all need to cut eachother some slack here <3 I’m just asking so no one freak out please lol
Sorry bobbiz...you schooled no-one...least of all me. Victim? Nope, not me but, once again...you've given me a great laugh on this fine Monday. Thank you for that.
I don't need to prove myself with reviews anymore. I always told it like it is, treated the ladies with respect, I respected the effort they put into their business and themselves. I also respected this board and the community in general by publishing reviews and info about providers PUBLICLY, where they belong...for the benefit of the community herein. You'll even notice that I had quite nice things to say about Karyn Svenson and Isa over these past several months. Why only those two? Because they're the only ones I've seen, and both more than once. You see, I'd rather pamper a couple beauties regularly rather than chase the quantity that I used to do just a few years ago. I've reviewed both and feel no need to re-review every time I visit. And, for the record, I believe in this board, I believe in this industry and I respect the providers as well as respectful hobbyists...that's why my reviews are public.
As for provider and client shared issues, Crimson Rose says it perfectly...re-read her post.
I wouldn't be talking to others about there reviews when you insist on hiding yours. Just sayin' it comes across a little hypocritial. Which goes agains the notion of schooling someone. Also just sayin'
I agree with you. Only problem is very often when I client shows up to the incall and its fake the girl doesnt let him leave. She freaks out, demands more money or even worse has a pimp hiding close by to extort. Look I get what you're saying but for me personally, I sacraficed so much in my younger years while everybody else was acting stupid just so I could get to where I am now to have this disposable income. I am not sacrificing not one damn penny on a faker or a pimp. I worked for all of it and they don't deserve any of it. Walking away as you suggested is always the correct course of action. But if you read these forums you'll see that even the guys here continue with the encounter even if the pictures are fake. Me...I don't get that. To me that just stupid. You're not just contributing to fakers across the board, you're a freaking easy mark that fakers and pimps will target.
That’s really scary that some ladies have pimps! I didn’t think of that! If there wasn’t a pimp though and someone wouldn’t let me leave I’d be like fuck you and that I’ll call the cops. All in al it’s a shitty situation. I think that the people that continue through are making a foolish decision but I understand they’re hoping for the best and their probably horny haha
Holy shit, more "I wanna win this thread with my cleverly-laid-out essay response" nonsense. And then the obliviously ironic "All Mighty" bit haha. Too many demands on the ladies and agencies ultimately killed PK. Congratulations to the "I must win at all costs" persistent hobbyists. Look up "Pyrrhic Victory". I'm sure someone will jerk themselves off while cleverly refuting this post, too. hahahaha
Blackpanther, I feel no need to rebut anything.
I'll agree that outing scammers and fakes is good work and helpful.
I will continue to disagree with putting demands on providers and dictating their business to them.
I will also continue to disagree with hiding helpful reviews from the forum. Reviews assist all with decisions and good reviews assist providers with their success.
This community was built on the helpful sharing of all info.
The tone and direction that a select group has decided to take it on hinders the industry as much, if not more, than it helps it.
I'll agree that outing scammers and fakes is good work and helpful.
I will continue to disagree with putting demands on providers and dictating their business to them.
I will also continue to disagree with hiding helpful reviews from the forum. Reviews assist all with decisions and good reviews assist providers with their success.
This community was built on the helpful sharing of all info.
The tone and direction that a select group has decided to take it on hinders the industry as much, if not more, than it helps it.
I agree he has tried.
But it's a his way or the highway type deal that doesn't work for everyone. And anyone it does not work for gets tossed off as someone who is against stopping scammers. Which we both know is bullshit.
And considering reviews do help in that regard, and he purposely puts his on private, he hypocritically undermines himself and therefore others.
I've always said his heart seems to be in the right place, his excustion - no so much.
Not to mention many ladies, myself included, see some of his work as simply pic/vid collecting as defined by what escorts consider pic/vid collecting and what they blacklist against.
