The worst part of being an SP...

[The "Bone" Ranger]

if you don't align with the haters of this forum you will get shit on! They preach respect for one another and the community, but in reality there is a serious lack of respect for other members on this board

You hit the nail on the head!

 

[Gntlmn]

"haters" is a loaded term.

 

[withpassion]

"haters" is a loaded term.

Let us recap this thread step by step:

1. SP indicates she is being harassed by a client she refused to see due to his missing his appointment (with title of "The worst part of being an SP")
2. Shit hits the fan
3. Shit hits everyone, everywhere
4. Shit keeps hitting everyone, everywhere
5. repeat steps 3 and 4 ad nauseam

Hmmm...while it was an unfortunate circumstance and outcome for OP, shit happens (see steps 2 thru 5).

To the OP: That sucks and it is unfortunate. Go ahead and out the bastard to your peers should you feel the need.

END OF STORY!!!!

 

[withpassion]

I've never seen another city that demanded every SP show a photo of herself with a newspaper and a video to be credible. Why do agency providers who are marketed on terb get a pass but indy providers are expected to come out to Ottawa on their own dime, not get prebookings, not get deposits, offer half hours, anonymous appts, cater to guys with text apps, take fake bookings, get no showed on and go through the trouble of desperately convincing a few guys on terb who may see their ad she is real with a brand new video or newspaper photo every single day of the tour? Is this really what is being expected by the Ottawa terb section? Backpage is long gone, and on leolist you could at least sort for verified providers if you wanted to. Those of us who are established on Terb in Toronto for years surely aren't fake or bait and switch and subject to such demands to come out right? I've not been asked directly of course, but I have had a few nasty comments from Ottawa terb members asking why I come to Ottawa if I don't accept anonymous bookings or half hour or have an agency rate. I only come when gents I know request and help me finance the trip by giving a deposit and making a longer booking to warrant the drive time there and back. For me that was the safest way to make sure I at least broke even or had a little profit if I was going to receive cancellations and no shows. I've not seen anything like the Ottawa section in any other city that's all. And I'm not really sure if there's a distinction between legit providers and new unknown providers, to me it seems like only agency ladies got a pass for these expectations. If reviews are appreciated then why are they attacked? I had a client unbeknownst to me write me a terb review in the ottawa section to recommend me before my first trip out there and we were both attacked and a mod had to shut the thread down.... Perhaps this will shed a little light on my confusion in this area because clearly a review didn't help anyone think I was legit it just led to angry comments. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...tte-while-she-is-in-town-boys-time-well-spent

Charlotte, it is, of course, ridiculous when those things occur and, I'm sure, very annoying. I cannot (and I will not even attempt to) explain it.

You do have to understand that many people make up this city and, for whatever reason, you and others have this experience resulting in a bad impression of the city. Other SP's have returned time and again due to what they feel is a welcoming environment here. Go figure.

All I can say is that there is more at work here then meets the eye, whatever that may be.

So, I wish you well and I hope that whichever cities you choose to visit respond well to you.

 

[withpassion]

I don't hear a single complaint from the latina models I constantly see visiting Ottawa. These girls show up, pay the expenses and get great reviews and I've never seen any of them complain. Something must be working in Ottawa for these girls, right? What black magic are they using??

Haha! Black magic indeed!

I know in my profession, when things are moving, I get to pick and choose where, when and how.

When things are not moving too well, I cannot afford to be arrogant and I must be less concerned about certain aspects.

Such is life.

And as an aside, I have seen several ads on LL lately that indicate the SP's are fine with sending pics. Again, it's all about what an individual sees as being good for business.

 

[Jabba]

Well, I was hoping to get some further insight from the ladies on this post.
Too much noise. I gave up on this thread.

Here's what I could get after reading all 71 posts:

1. time wasters and harassment
2. bs excuses or ghosting
3. fake booking
4. using text apps and not showing up and cancelling last minute

Nobody wants to discuss hygiene or other icky stuff?
Shitty law enforcement?
Hostel hotels?
Money is great/terrible?
Vicious competition?
Work/Life balance?
Terrible Hours?

C'mon . . .

 

[gmaximus]

Thank you bobbiz, blackpanther and veryshy2 for your posts. You guys hit the nail on the head. I was going to respond to curiousm7 and Jessica, but then I thought I'd be wasting my time lol.

Bobbiz and Blackpanther , I and I'm sure many clients appreciate your helpful posts and reviews. Thank you for all the info you guys share.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

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Basically, if you don't align with the haters of this forum you will get shit on! They preach respect for one another and the community, but in reality there is a serious lack of respect for other members on this board.

Let's see, haters post below to make this forum even more so about drama, trolling, and hating. These have combined for a real winning recipe on this Ottawa forum over the last year... SMH!!

I'm soooooooo glad you get it!!!! Thank you.

Anyone who doesn't agree with your process on the FAT, you have a problem with. It's your way or no way.

Yes - your side has a lack of respect for our side of the coin. I won't deny that either.

Your last line is a prefect example of your passive aggressive nature. Anyone who posts after you as now already been label as a drama causing troll who is hating and disrespecting. There is nothing disrespectful in these posts. People simply don't agree with you or the way you feel is the right and only way to act.

I think you need to stop making the notion that this is a mandatory method. Nobody is forcing this method onto SPs, but we are merely suggesting it as a tool to fight fakes and fish out honest providers. We're going in circles again, and there was a thread bobbiz made that logically broke down his reasonings behind it all. Wish I could post a link but I don't know where it is.

I am the biggest advocate of reviews. I know reviews and personal experience are the best ways to determine a suitable SP. However we need to keep in mind terb is the lowest common denominator and maybe 5% of hobbyist rely on it and even fewer care to review. So our best chance of finding a genuine girl is to make sure she isn't faking in the looks department. That is where "proof of pic" comes in. I always say, if the provider doesn't comply to your request, simply move on! And you know what? Some actually do! Example: Alexandra, Julia and Lexus to name a few! I reviewed them all.

How is his execution so bad? He is ultimately helping the newcomer/UN-established SPs! Do you know how many guys are asking for some kind proof these days? Especially since it's what LL and VIP use to verify thier girls. It's the way to move forward. In 2018, the technology makes it so simple, it only takes a few body shots (no face) with number and name to prove they are real and they can even post it up so no other guy can say it's fake. It's so simple. You don't agree thats fine but don't label me and bobbiz and other members who simply ask for it as "pic collectors". While there may be creeps who do that, in a world of Instagram and porn, that is pretty fucking low and a rarity. Once she posts proof of her photos on LL, nobody needs to further ask her for anything else.

I'm not going to debate his way of doing things. I have already said my piece on that and why the way he goes about it does not fit all, how his collecting of pics and videos makes others feel and I find some of his preaching to be hypocritical. So I'm not going to continue to bash that nail. You are right we are going in circles on that topic.

You know I also agree with moving on. For any SP encounter. If she screens and you don't like it, move on. If she needs no text app, move on.

I also agree that TERB only covers a small majority of hobbyist. Which is why when people from this board insist so hard on one way of doing things, it is a little annoying to say the least, when that 5% tell us escort how we should behave when the other 95% have no issue with the way we do business. This is for all business. The client is not always right and doesn't always know the best way to run a business. This is no different.

And I never labeled YOU as a pic collector. Because there is a difference. You intent to try and see these people. He does not. It is simply for his one man crusade. That is the difference. I don't get why he does it either. As you said, with all the pics that ladies post on their SM, why does he need a new video just for him with the dangled carrot of extra free advertising on TERB. His endorsements of ladies he has not seen or his assumptions and labeling as fake when they don't provide it.

He has been called out for listing an SP as fake when others have actually reviewed her as real. So these are the diffeeence between you and him.

So while I agree with a lot of your notions and opinions, I don't agree with the application of some of it. To which I'm allowed and should not be called a hater for it. I've not called names or anything. So trying to silence my voice with labeling terms while saying that is what is happening to you is laughable and will be continued to be called out.

You and I have had issues on the board and I have invited you to PM me to resolve some of it so we don't clog up the board with our back and forth. I can't see Bob and I working out our differences but I can see you and I working it out. Between public posting and this being text, tone gets lost. I'm not foaming at the mouth trying to get my point across. Yet that is how these are taken. So again I offer you to contact me via PM and we can hash some of this out.

I'm an industry supporter. Not an SP supporter. Not a Client supporter. There are bullshit people on both sides and I totally get and accept that. I wish others would as well but you can't have everything in life. I think you, for the most part, are also an industry support but you get into threads about protecting men because that is what pertains more to you. However, I hope you now see that we actually agree on most things. Just not always on the execution.

My PM box is open. Please use it.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

^^^^

So I'm the first one to say I'm wrong when I am
Wrong.

I'm the first to be willing to agree to disagree.

That is proven all across this board for the 4 years I have been here.

Pretty much disproves ALL your accusations against me. No real need to say anything more. I've already proven my case and you just further prove it for me by posts like above. So thanks.

Have a a wonderful day.

 

[Gntlmn]

I will agree that the request for new, fly-by-night visiting SWs to include photo proof is not unreasonable; for established local ladies it's dumb. And, I love bobbiz and blackpanther and all y'all.

 

[CamillaBR]

Well, I was hoping to get some further insight from the ladies on this post.
Too much noise. I gave up on this thread.

Here's what I could get after reading all 71 posts:

1. time wasters and harassment
2. bs excuses or ghosting
3. fake booking
4. using text apps and not showing up and cancelling last minute

Nobody wants to discuss hygiene or other icky stuff?
Shitty law enforcement?
Hostel hotels?
Money is great/terrible?
Vicious competition?
Work/Life balance?
Terrible Hours?

C'mon . . .

Back to what the thread was about, I guess...

I'm talking from my experience here.

- Nobody wants to discuss hygiene or other icky stuff?

Haven't had trouble with a client's hygiene in a long long time. Also one of my first questions to the client is if they would like to use the shower.

- Shitty law enforcement?

I've only contacted law enforcement once for a troubling client. They were helpful, I still have their card in case I need anything.

- Hostel hotels?

Work from private.

- Money is great/terrible?

Not sure how relevant this is for clients to know.

- Vicious competition?

I don't think so, but sometimes you get so many fake bookings you'd think it's probably a single SP/pimp/agency trying to fuck with others.

- Work/Life balance?

Just like any other job. I have my class schedule and my work schedule, and a social life.

- Terrible Hours?

I don't host after certain hours. Those 3-am text messages will never be answered.

 

[hoffa68]

Thanks Camilla for sharing. For your comment about is the money good/bad, As a client I generally want to know if things are going well with the provider. I dont usually pry and ask that question but from time to time with someone I've seen a few times I'll ask if things are going well, are you making enough money. I think it's the dad in me.

 

[gmaximus]

That’s really scary that some ladies have pimps! I didn’t think of that! If there wasn’t a pimp though and someone wouldn’t let me leave I’d be like fuck you and that I’ll call the cops. All in al it’s a shitty situation. I think that the people that continue through are making a foolish decision but I understand they’re hoping for the best and their probably horny haha

Maybe this thread will help you understand it better

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?638247-WARNING-Do-not-see-emmer-1151

 

[Horny_gentleman]

If you need to ask an SP to verify herself you should just look elsewhere. There are plenty of sps on forums, social media, and with websites why don’t we just see the women who put money into advertising themselves and giving us what we want?

 

[weekender99]

wow, quite the read!

Some great points made here, and one or two not so insightful.

I now consider a small handful of Ottawa ladies 'favorites' and rarely visit newcomers, that aren't established elsewhere.

I've wasted countless hours (cumulatively) sitting in my car upon arrival waiting for a text with a room number that would never arrive.
I've turned around and walked when a lady turned out to be someone using fake pics.
And I'm ashamed to admit, once in the very early days, I stayed and followed through only to regret it immediately after, I blame that on nerves, being new and horny beyond reason!

"a stiff prick has no conscience" Well very often no self control or common sense either!

I've reconciled myself with the fact that its very much the nature of the game and try to take the rough with the smooth.

I'd like to say that Bobbiz's and Blackpanther's contributions now and in the past are most appreciated by me.
And Jessica Rain, you are a knockout! May I say I appreciate your contributions as well as your killer curves.
I do hope we meet one day.

If only I had the opportunity and the means to 'engage' more frequently I would likely take more chances and report back.
I'm working on that!

Here's to smooth sailing and mutual respect for all.

 

[delucce]

i can't imagine booking and just not showing up. i've had time where i texted or DMs on twitter back and forth and flirted a bit, and then did not get to book for months and sometimes, never at all, but i have never booked and not showed up. there have been times i've had to cancel at the last minute, which sucks, but i would never leave her hanging. that's so disrespectful. it amazes me that some guys here are justifying it. we get upset when we book and appointment, show up at the scheduled time and she's not ready for 5, 10 or 15 minutes. imagine how it is for her, especially if she had to turn down other clients.

it's all about respect people. i want the ladies i see to respect me and in return, i respect them. and we all should.

 

[Mambo5]

I agree with delucce on this one. There’s absolutely no excuse to leave a lady hanging, it’s very disrespectful. We all need to work together to make Ottawa a welcoming place for SP’s. The better they are treated the better SP’s come here and visit. Word does spread, ladies know which cities are best.