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Canadians Are Not Paying More In Taxes Than ‘The Necessities of Life'

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Don’t Listen to the Fraser Institute. Canadians Are Not Paying More In Taxes Than ‘The Necessities of Life'

The Fraser Institute released another misleading report using fuzzy math to make dubious claims about taxes

August 14, 2018

The right-wing Fraser Institute has released yet another report falsely claiming the “average Canadian family” spends more on taxes than the necessities of life.

Even though their reports have been repeatedly debunked year after year after year, tabloids like the Toronto Sun uncritically reported on the Fraser Institute’s latest findings, despite the right-wing think tank’s reputation for fuzzy math.

The report claims taxes in Canada have skyrocketed 2000% and Canadians now pay a whopping 43% of their incomes in taxes – even more than “the necessities of life.”

Thankfully Canadians don’t need to panic: taxes have not skyrocketed 2000%, the “average Canadian family” does not pay 43% of their income in tax and no, your family doesn’t pay more in tax than the combined costs of food, clothing and shelter.

No, average families do not pay nearly half their incomes in taxes

The Fraser Institute claims it calculated the tax bill of the “average Canadian family,” and arrived at a startling conclusion:

“The average Canadian family now spends more of its income on taxes (43.1%) than it does on basic necessities such as food, shelter and clothing combined (35.6%).”
The Fraser Institute fails to mention their numbers are based on some wildly misleading calculations.

For one thing, the Fraser Institute’s “average family” is a lot richer than what most Canadian families earn – the Fraser Institute imagines the “average family” earns $85,883 per year, even though the most recent Census pegged median household income at $70,336.

Meanwhile, the Fraser Institute is cagey to admit it pads its numbers by counting every tax conceivable in its “overall tax bill of the average Canadian family,” including corporate taxes and royalties paid by oil and gas companies.

As The Walrus asked a few years ago:

“Is it reasonable to include corporate taxes in the total that Canadian families pay?”
The Fraser Institute says the “average Canadian family” spends some 43.1% of its income on taxes, working out to $37,058 per “average Canadian family.”

A detailed rebuttal of the Fraser Institute’s annual report by tax experts Richard Shillington and Robin Shaban for the Broadbent Institute last year found typical middle income Canadians only pay 14% of their income in taxes, roughly $6,200.

No, average families do not pay more in tax than food, clothing and shelter

According to the Fraser Institute’s numbers, the “average Canadian family” pays a little over $30,500 on “the necessities of life” every year.

In reality, a family with two middle-income earners would be paying just under $12,500 in tax – significantly lower than “the necessities of life.”

No, taxes are not skyrocketing

While taxes have risen somewhat since than the 1960s before Canada established a universal healthcare system, tax revenue has actually fallen as a share of Canada’s GDP in recent years.



World Bank

In fact, this trend towards lower and lower taxes has resulted in Canada ranking near the bottom as one of the least taxed nations in the developed world.



OECD

The Fraser Institute also forgets to mention that taxes go towards maintaining social programs and infrastructure that Canadians rely on everyday.

Although the Fraser Institute is no fan of public healthcare or public education, not to mention police and fire departments, most Canadians would happily agree these services make Canadian communities healthy, safe and smart.

Cities and towns would be unlivable without roads, sidewalks, street signs, traffic lights, public transit and more, as this graphic put together by The Grid illustrates:



https://pressprogress.ca/dont-listen-to-the-fraser-institute-canadians-are-not-paying-more-in-taxes-than-the-necessities-of-life/
 

saxon

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Don’t listen to the Broadbent Institute, left wing think tank that believes everyone should be paying substantially higher taxes and government should be spending a lot more than it already does. If you include sales taxes, GST, government user fees, property taxes etc. then I believe the numbers put out by Fraser.
 

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Don’t listen to the Broadbent Institute, left wing think tank that believes everyone should be paying substantially higher taxes and government should be spending a lot more than it already does. If you include sales taxes, GST, government user fees, property taxes etc. then I believe the numbers put out by Fraser.
And you couldn't imagine life without all the things those taxes pay for: Everything from the armed forces and police keeping you secure to the road the garbage trucks use use to take away your trash as you head off to work in the car that's built to prescribed safety standards, or even smarter — on money-saving transit. All that and more, a real bargain that would still be cheap — and a whole lot better — at twice the rate.
 

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CBC has an article out today with a poll of CRA auditors who state that the tax system is skewed to protect the rich.
Its a direct result of Harper's policies and Trudeau has yet do do much about it.
Perfect platform for the NDP.

Most CRA auditors polled say Canada's tax system is skewed to protect the wealthy

A new survey of more than 1,700 tax professionals at CRA suggests agency lacks tools to make the rich pay
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cra-tax-avoidance-evasion-1.4787781
 

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oldjones

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Union sponsored survey is skewed to pressure the government to hire more unionized tax auditors.
Duh!

Doesn't mean we don't need them. Last I heard we were a few bucks short in the Revenue area.
 

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If taxes as a % of GDP are above 30% (chart above) it’s certainly reasonable to assume that the average family pays more than that in taxes (direct and indirect) as the bottom 25-40% likely pay no or negative tax.
 

JohnLarue

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CBC has an article out today with a poll of CRA auditors who state that the tax system is skewed to protect the rich.
Its a direct result of Harper's policies and Trudeau has yet do do much about it.
Perfect platform for the NDP.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cra-tax-avoidance-evasion-1.4787781
Well lets hope Jadmeet Singh jumps all over that platform
" A vote for my party the NDP will ensure you pay higher taxes"
And you fools keep on wondering why you always come third in a three horse race?

Biased partisan studies aside, the vast majority of voters will tell you we pay way too much tax & the government wastes a lot of or hard earned money.
 

Frankfooter

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Well lets hope Jadmeet Singh jumps all over that platform
" A vote for my party the NDP will ensure you pay higher taxes"
They'll win if they say a vote for the NDP will ensure the rich pay their fair share of taxes for once.
There are way more middle and lower class then rich here, you know.
 

JohnLarue

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They'll win if they say a vote for the NDP will ensure the rich pay their fair share of taxes for once.
There are way more middle and lower class then rich here, you know.
Do not be stupid
Most voters are far more intelligent than you and they know that it is not the simple us vs them mentality you have
Voters know a NDP government would be an economic disaster, it would mean higher taxes and put their jobs at risk

There is a reason you perpetually come in third in a three way race, The NDP are not financially responsible

BTW the top 20% pay 56% of the taxes, so the rich pay more than their "Fair share"
 

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BTW the top 20% pay 56% of the taxes, so the rich pay more than their "Fair share"
But what percent of the total Canadian income do the top 20% make? I imagine that they make more than 56% of the total income.
 

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A detailed rebuttal of the Fraser Institute’s annual report by tax experts Richard Shillington and Robin Shaban for the Broadbent Institute last year found typical middle income Canadians only pay 14% of their income in taxes, roughly $6,200.

No, average families do not pay more in tax than food, clothing and shelter

According to the Fraser Institute’s numbers, the “average Canadian family” pays a little over $30,500 on “the necessities of life” every year.

In reality, a family with two middle-income earners would be paying just under $12,500 in tax – significantly lower than “the necessities of life.”

No, taxes are not skyrocketing

While taxes have risen somewhat since than the 1960s before Canada established a universal healthcare system, tax revenue has actually fallen as a share of Canada’s GDP in recent years.
The numbers for both seem to be off somewhat.

If you check the basic income calculator for a salary of $70,000 the federal, provincial (ON) and payroll taxes (EI/CPP) equate to $17,300 or 25%. This is before paying property taxes, or even purchasing anything with the rest of one's income.

A $1,500/month mortgage would work out to 25% of total gross income.

Food ($200/week), Auto ($370/month), Home services (hydro/gas/water - $500/month) works out to 30% of total gross income.

Property taxes - Average $4,000 annually works out to 6% gross income.

Total taxes $17,300 + 4,000 (property) + $3,000 (food, auto home services) = 35% of total gross income.

I have obviously guessed at what an average family would consist of (via google) - Some may not have mortgages and rent, others may have lower food bills, others may not drive, others may not own a home...

I would add that the 35% is a conservative percentage and in all likelihood, that percentage would be higher as people need to invest in assets (furniture, clothing, tools, non-essential purchases, etc.) which I did not factor in to the equation. So the 43% may be a tad high, but not by much.
 

JohnLarue

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But what percent of the total Canadian income do the top 20% make? I imagine that they make more than 56% of the total income.
Given that the marginal & effective tax rates for them are higher than the remaining 80% it is mathematically impossible for them to make 56% of the income if they are paying 56% of the tax
think about it.

So again they pay way more than their share
 

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And you couldn't imagine life without all the things those taxes pay for: Everything from the armed forces and police keeping you secure to the road the garbage trucks use use to take away your trash as you head off to work in the car that's built to prescribed safety standards, or even smarter — on money-saving transit. All that and more, a real bargain that would still be cheap — and a whole lot better — at twice the rate.
If you earn more than approx $120k in Ontario, you are paying about 50% in taxes.
Does anyone here think that's fair somehow?
 

Frankfooter

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Given that the marginal & effective tax rates for them are higher than the remaining 80% it is mathematically impossible for them to make 56% of the income if they are paying 56% of the tax
think about it.

So again they pay way more than their share
Not if they are hiding income offshore or using dodgy accounting tricks.
Until then, they aren't paying what you claim.

And where does this 20% number of yours come from?
Something tells me your bullshitting again.
 

Frankfooter

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If you earn more than approx $120k in Ontario, you are paying about 50% in taxes.
Does anyone here think that's fair somehow?
Do you honestly believe that they actually pay that much in taxes and don't use any accounting tricks to lessen their payments?
 

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Do you honestly believe that they actually pay that much in taxes and don't use any accounting tricks to lessen their payments?
LOL! I take it that you do not earn anything near this amount of money because if you did there are very few "accounting tricks" that can deployed to make a dent in the taxes. The marginal tax rate is 43%.

Do you think that people earning a gross income of $120K live in mansions with butlers, maids, chauffeurs, etc. and have an endless supply of cash to burn?
 

bver_hunter

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If you earn more than approx $120k in Ontario, you are paying about 50% in taxes.
Does anyone here think that's fair somehow?
Well, simply not true. If you know how to invest in your RRSP, RPP, TFSA, Charitable Donations and take full advantage of them along with child benefits etc, there is no way that you will be paying 50% in taxes.
 

Frankfooter

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LOL! I take it that you do not earn anything near this amount of money because if you did there are very few "accounting tricks" that can deployed to make a dent in the taxes. The marginal tax rate is 43%.

Do you think that people earning a gross income of $120K live in mansions with butlers, maids, chauffeurs, etc. and have an endless supply of cash to burn?
You should stop doing your own taxes and hire an accountant.
Or fire your present one.
 
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