dougy want to fight the feds on carbon tax lol

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There is a confused merging of policy and politics and results. The former have proven to have almost no impact on the latter (see Canadian Kyoto retreat). One thing that would work is making Canadians poorer, that would reduce GHG emissions, if that’s the carbon tax strategy then I think it’s a solid one, it will need to be much higher to have any impact.

To date there hasn’t been much progress.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environmen...e-gas-emissions/canadian-economic-sector.html
 

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What is clear is it would be the biggest sin mankind (not person kind) has ever committed if we cause our own extinction & do not act

That having been said
a) Canada's efforts will not make any difference if the US,China & Russia do not act
So you want to commit the biggest sin of mankind because of what the US, China or Russia do?
 

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Ironic that the Liberals are forcing green energy and carbon taxes on us for their kool-aid sale of climate change benefits, etc, etc...yet own a stake in one of the biggest polluting coal plants in the US.
Hmmmm.......
That couldn't be liberal hypocrisy at play could it? Hmmmmm...
OMG do the Liberals know how to manipulate their flock of sheep!
Ontario is now leading the way in coal free energy, that will be not only one of the leaders in green house emission free regions, but will also be beneficial to the health of all Ontarians. Period!!
You are fixated on Kool-aid in all your recent posts, so not sure what medications are causing you to do so.
Also, you make up stories as you go along. I think that you are referring to the purchase of a stake in Avista in Montana, by HYDRO ONE not the Liberals that you falsely claim.
That purchase was a decision by Hydro One, not the LIBERALS. OMG this Dumb Ford is building a base of cult followers just like his nemesis in the States called Trumpty Dumpty.
 

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So you want to commit the biggest sin of mankind because of what the US, China or Russia do?
I knew you would be to stupid to read a balanced approach without twisting what was written

Canada's efforts will not make any difference if the US,China & Russia do not act
Even a simpleton like yourself should be able to understand all Canada will do is weaken our economy
 

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I knew you would be to stupid to read a balanced approach without twisting what was written

Canada's efforts will not make any difference if the US,China & Russia do not act
Even a simpleton like yourself should be able to understand all Canada will do is weaken our economy
They think that by making out industries uncompetitive it’ll cause them to close and BINGO no more greenhouse gases, we can then go back to an agrarian/feudal society. How stupid is it to hamstring your own country when your next two biggest trading partners don’t have any such carbon tax? Never mind a carbon tax, how about keeping personal,professional and consumption taxes at a level where they are competitive with those in the US? We need the US more than they need us, and if anyone thinks otherwise it’s just misguided thinking.
 

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They think that by making out industries uncompetitive it’ll cause them to close and BINGO no more greenhouse gases, we can then go back to an agrarian/feudal society. How stupid is it to hamstring your own country when your next two biggest trading partners don’t have any such carbon tax? Never mind a carbon tax, how about keeping personal,professional and consumption taxes at a level where they are competitive with those in the US? We need the US more than they need us, and if anyone thinks otherwise it’s just misguided thinking.
If you are so hung up on the US why not move there? Canada is a different country. I don't think emulating US society would work for us. Sure Canada needs the US, but we had (and are) branching out to lower our depedance on them. But the US will always be more important to Canada then vice versa. But thinking we are of little value to them is also wrong,.
 

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I knew you would be to stupid to read a balanced approach without twisting what was written

Canada's efforts will not make any difference if the US,China & Russia do not act
Even a simpleton like yourself should be able to understand all Canada will do is weaken our economy
Total failure in logic.
If Canada lessens our CO2 output it will have exactly the same effect whether the US, China and Russia act or not.
 

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They think that by making out industries uncompetitive it’ll cause them to close and BINGO no more greenhouse gases, we can then go back to an agrarian/feudal society. How stupid is it to hamstring your own country when your next two biggest trading partners don’t have any such carbon tax? Never mind a carbon tax, how about keeping personal,professional and consumption taxes at a level where they are competitive with those in the US? We need the US more than they need us, and if anyone thinks otherwise it’s just misguided thinking.
Think there won't be sanctions and tariffs based on carbon output around the world in the future?
 

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If you are so hung up on the US why not move there? Canada is a different country. I don't think emulating US society would work for us. Sure Canada needs the US, but we had (and are) branching out to lower our depedance on them. But the US will always be more important to Canada then vice versa. But thinking we are of little value to them is also wrong,.
As long as the US is the destination of the bulk of what we export it is important to Canada and if you’ve deluded yourself into believing otherwise explains why you support the sanctimonious liberals. Tell me, off the top of your head, who else can we do $266 billion in trade with ? Guess who’s buying the cars & trucks Canada produces? Who’s buying our oil & lumber? To say that we are branching off to lessen our dependence on US trade is nothing but liberal party platitudes and shows nothing but a flaccid trade doctrine.
 

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To say that we are branching off to lessen our dependence on US trade is nothing but liberal party platitudes and shows nothing but a flaccid trade doctrine.
That approach is also just plain ignoring the economic reality
 

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Total failure in logic.
If Canada lessens our CO2 output it will have exactly the same effect whether the US, China and Russia act or not.
????
Total failure in logic??

That is your thing

Look stupid, if the world is indeed roasting because of emissions, it will roast regardless of Canadian actions if the US, China and Russia do not act

If the damn above the lake is closed, do you really think you can fill the lake by pissing in it?
 

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Total failure in logic??

That is your thing

Look stupid, if the world is indeed roasting because of emissions, it will roast regardless of Canadian actions if the US, China and Russia do not act

If the damn above the lake is closed, do you really think you can fill the lake by pissing in it?
If the damn world is roasting, then you do something about, not whine that you don't have to because the US isn't.
Some moral code.
 

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If the damn world is roasting, then you do something about, not whine that you don't have to because the US isn't.
Some moral code.
Roasting is generally 425, since 1880 the temperature has increased 1.4 degrees.....
 

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$35 billion is what the US is paying per year in climate change linked extreme weather damage.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/24...-accountability-office-extreme-weather-events

Imagine how much more they'll be paying as the global temp goes up.

The EU is spending about $30 billion a year in extreme weather damage costs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...eople-dead-lives-1980s-eighties-a7545736.html

Damage costs will go up nearly exponentially with global temp increases.
Here is Franky greatest hit on global warming by Moviefan!
Look at how Moviefan destroyed Frankfooter arguments!

It is rather amusing that a guy " Frankfooter who is now in his third year of insisting that 0.13 is greater than 0.15 is accusing me of being "bad at math and science."

But since he's raised these issues about math and science, let's check his record.

For the benefit of anyone who's never seen it before, here is a collection of some of Frankfooter's greatest hits on the topic of man-made global warming. As preposterous as many of these statements are, all are supported by links to the original source, so that anyone who is skeptical can confirm they're all perfectly accurate descriptions of Frankfooter's posts.

Man-made global warming: Frankfooter's greatest hits

- Nov. 10, 2015 -- He calculated that the "pre-industrial age" refers to the year 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...armer-Planet&p=5394609&viewfull=1#post5394609. He repeated that claim on Nov. 21: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5404144&viewfull=1#post5404144

- Nov. 21, 2015 -- He claimed it was "conspiracy thread business" to assert that NASA's pre-adjusted data (which ran to the end of May) showed there wasn't a single month in 2015 that was a record breaker: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5403467&viewfull=1#post5403467. He spent an entire weekend making that argument until he was finally forced to concede that I was right.

- Nov. 27, 2015 -- This is still one of my favourites. He posted a graph that he said shows the "IPCC's projection" for 2015: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5410384&viewfull=1#post5410384. Then, after it was explained to him that the graph shows the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong, he said it was "not an IPCC projection" and ran away from his own graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416739&viewfull=1#post5416739

- Nov. 29, 2015 -- He said NASA and NOAA don't use sea surface temperatures in their calculations of the global temperature anomalies: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5411862&viewfull=1#post5411862. Actually, they do.

- Dec. 1, 2015 -- Another classic. He said the ninth month of the year is "March": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5414060&viewfull=1#post5414060

- Dec. 5, 2015 -- He posted what he said is a Met Office graph that shows updated HadCRUT4 data: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416886&viewfull=1#post5416886. In fact, the graph came from Columbia University and uses the entirely different NASA data.

- Jan. 8, 2016 -- He said NASA has "never altered any data, all they did was alter the weighting of ocean temperature readings....": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5443355&viewfull=1#post5443355

- Jan. 10, 2016 -- He said I was "lying" when I said that a temperature change from 0.68ºC to 0.83ºC is an increase of 0.15ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5445053&viewfull=1#post5445053

- Feb. 3, 2016 -- He said the calculation that the average of 0.75 + 0.82 + 0.84 + 0.71 + 0.71 is 0.766 is "denier math": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5466417&viewfull=1#post5466417

- Feb. 4, 2016 -- He called it "lying your face off" when I said the difference between 0.43 and 0.68 is 0.25: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5466781&viewfull=1#post5466781

- Feb. 8, 2016 -- A gem. He said the graphs on NASA's Vital Signs of the Planet page were "fake": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5470561&viewfull=1#post5470561. He repeated the claim on Feb. 13 when he said the NASA graphs had been "possibly doctored": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5473971&viewfull=1#post5473971

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He dismissed NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's graph of temperature anomalies as "dodgy": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5472913&viewfull=1#post5472913

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He said NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's Twitter account isn't "legit": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5472991&viewfull=1#post5472991

- Feb. 20, 2016 -- He said it was a "blatantly false claim" that the difference between 0.74 and 0.84 is 0.10: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5479780&viewfull=1#post5479780

- March 3, 2016 -- He said it's "not possible" for 0.89 to equal 0.89: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-change&p=5489838&viewfull=1#post5489838

- March 27, 2016 -- He said it was "incredibly stupid" to conclude that half of 2ºC is 1ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Early-April&p=5509136&viewfull=1#post5509136

- April 23, 2016 -- He tried to claim that 0.75 and 0.87 are the exact same number: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...believers%92&p=5531128&viewfull=1#post5531128

- April 23, 2016 -- He claimed the average temperature for the period from 1961 to 1990 is a "different baseline" than the average temperature for the period from 1961 to 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...believers%92&p=5531216&viewfull=1#post5531216

- May 1, 2016 -- He said that a climate researcher who thinks warming is 99% due to natural causes believes that "anthropogenic" climate change is happening: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5537250#post5537250

- May 11, 2016 -- He said all of the warming since 1850 was caused by humans (even the IPCC doesn't support him on this one): https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5546112#post5546112

- May 12, 2016 - He said the warming "slowdown" in the 21st century "still fits" Michael Mann's hockey stick graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Frankfooter&p=5547096&viewfull=1#post5547096
 
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