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Court filings imply that Trump got Stormy Daniels pregnant and she had an abortion

LT56

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J.M.& J. What part of the definition of opinion didn't you learn in school?
I was taught that opinions are supposed to be backed up by facts.

Putting your hands over your ears and yelling “Lalalalalalala...I can’t hear you” as loud as you can doesn’t actually count as an opinion.

I thought you were some sorta lawyer...Don’t they teach you shit like that in Law School?
 

apoptygma

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You base your statements on what proven facts?

What part of "I don't believe" do you and LT56 believe doesn't indicate opinion?
Asked and answered then.
Your opinion, as little worth as it has, has even less worth when no convincing facts are attached to it.

For example: I don't believe that you wear underwear on Tuesdays, or that you have a nose. I could follow your example and go one step further: I don't believe that your mentor, DJ Trump is a real person.
 

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LT56

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Trump is now suing for $20 million, admitting there is a NDA and claiming that Daniels broke it 20 times.
He's also put his name on the suit, admitting that he knew about the payment.

That would make the hush money an illegal payment, wouldn't it?
And can you pay people to keep quiet about a crime?
Would that be an excuse for breaking the NDA?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/16/17130382/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-60-minutes
He knows he can’t keep this quiet anymore...the 60 Minutes interview is on its way...And now there are allegations of physical threats...So Trump is trying to take the offensive.

Pathetic. Trump is sinking in his own swamp.
 

Frankfooter

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He knows he can’t keep this quiet anymore...the 60 Minutes interview is on its way...And now there are allegations of physical threats...So Trump is trying to take the offensive.

Pathetic. Trump is sinking in his own swamp.
March 25 for the 60 Minutes interview.
Daniels is smart, she wouldn't be playing this game if she didn't have evidence to back her up.
 

bver_hunter

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So Trump was lying all along when he said that he had no affair with Stormy Daniels. He has violated the Election Rules by acknowledging that the hush money was paid on his behalf. No doubt the adjudicating Judge in California will throw out this ridiculous $20 million lawsuit against Stormy Daniels.

"Now, the lawyer representing the adult film star Stormy Daniels alleges that some of the accusations she's making against President Donald Trump occurred while Trump was in office."
Gets more interesting all the time.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-trump-allegations-cnntv/index.html
 

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shack

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So Trump was lying all along when he said that he had no affair with Stormy Daniels. He has violated the Election Rules by acknowledging that the hush money was paid on his behalf. No doubt the adjudicating Judge in California will throw out this ridiculous $20 million lawsuit against Stormy Daniels.
Unless of course team trump's request to get it transferred goes through. trump just got finished appointing a whole slew of federal judges.
 

mandrill

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Unless of course team trump's request to get it transferred goes through. trump just got finished appointing a whole slew of federal judges.
It's not a federal case. He is asking to have it transferred to the state courts in NY state.
 

b4u

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It's not a federal case. He is asking to have it transferred to the state courts in NY state.
NYT says otherwise

Mr. Trump formally joined his legal team’s response to Ms. Clifford’s suit in a motion, filed Friday, to move the case from state court in Los Angeles, where Ms. Clifford filed her claim, to federal court.

Mr. Trump’s reason for asking that the case be moved probably concerns the Federal Arbitration Act, which makes arbitration the preferred forum for resolving many kinds of disputes. Federal courts have applied that law more strictly than state courts, particularly ones in California. Mr. Trump may be hoping that his chances of keeping the dispute in arbitration and out of public view are better before a federal judge than a state one.
 

shack

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It's not a federal case. He is asking to have it transferred to the state courts in NY state.
Maybe you are right, but I don't think that is what I heard.
 

toguy5252

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Maybe you are right, but I don't think that is what I heard.
I believe that procedural once he commenced the action claiming $20M it gets automatically transferred to federal Court. Trump is trying to get it transferred to arbitration which is private. The issue is which court will be more likely to agree that it belongs in arbitration and the calculus must have been made that its is federal where he has appointed more judges.
 

Frankfooter

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I believe that procedural once he commenced the action claiming $20M it gets automatically transferred to federal Court. Trump is trying to get it transferred to arbitration which is private. The issue is which court will be more likely to agree that it belongs in arbitration and the calculus must have been made that its is federal where he has appointed more judges.
Then shouldn't it fail to be moved, based on this?
Daniels' lawyer says the agreement is void 'cuz Trump didn't sign it, so don't they now need to prove its valid before you could take it to arbitration?
 

shack

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Then shouldn't it fail to be moved, based on this?
The judges are presumed to be impartial so the fact that trump appointed them should have no bearing.
 

mandrill

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Maybe you are right, but I don't think that is what I heard.
My mistake. I assumed that it was a geographical jurisdiction argument. But ToGuy seems to understand better what is happening.
 

mandrill

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Then shouldn't it fail to be moved, based on this?
Daniels' lawyer says the agreement is void 'cuz Trump didn't sign it, so don't they now need to prove its valid before you could take it to arbitration?
That has always been my understanding. If the contract is invalid, then the arbitration clause is invalid also.
 

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Trump is going to have some serious issues.

Can you an enforce a hush agreement or NDA if it stops you from stating someone broke the law?
Yes.

Trump now says he is party to an agreement he wouldn't sign?
Trump admits he paid Daniels $130,000 and she should shut up even after his lawyer admitted he made the payment?
Not sure that is true, but he can still sue to enforce it.

If she is alleging there was a criminal act related to the material covered by the NDA, then she can go to a U.S. Attorney's Office or if she is alleging a state crime a District Attorney's Office, which can then seek a court order, that, however, doesn't allow her to go talk to the press.
 
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