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Shooting at a Florida high school

wilbur

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In case you missed it, all drivers must be licensed, cars must be registered with the government, and owners must have insurance to cover any accidents. Of course the NRA gun nuts would have a shit-fit if they tried to do the same for guns.
Yeah, and so are gun owners in Canada; you have to have a license. The situation in the US is conflated to Canada, so that the posters here want to ban them here too.
 

shack

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Heavy regulated until they get caught ... General Motors !!!!!
Is that like "because some people commit murder, all of our laws relating to murder are useless"?
 

shack

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How would you know ? Ever shot an AR-15 before ?
Are you really that obtuse? Actually, you prove my point about how easy it is to refute your idiotic your statements. It is easy whether with a pistol or an AR or a bazooka. TBH, I've never fired any, but I don't have to to understand (which you've demonstrated you do not have the intellect to comprehend) that the phrase is simply a euphemism to demonstrate how easy a task is. Saying an AR in my post is simply emphasizing the point. Sorry and sadly, you took it literally instead of the turn of a phrase that was, shockingly, too nuanced for you.

Besides gun nuts as you like to call them don't really care about what you think how the US should run their own country .
I thought this thread was about a shooting in Florida. I know there a lots of Canadians there right now, but I hope you realize that it is still part of the US.

As well, assuming you are Canadian, you are as guilty as I of giving an opinion of what happens in the US.
 

Darts

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With the exception of terrorists, it is rare for someone to use a car/truck to commit murder. The vast majority of murders in the U.S. are committed using guns.
 

wilbur

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With the exception of terrorists, it is rare for someone to use a car/truck to commit murder. The vast majority of murders in the U.S. are committed using guns.
The vast majority of murders in the US are committed by criminals, including gangs murdering each other. They will always fing a way to get guns, even if they have to have them made.

If, in the utopian world that is just around the corner, a wave of the magic wand eliminates all guns, people will resort to other tools, such as vehicles.
 

apoptygma

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If, in the utopian world that is just around the corner, a wave of the magic wand eliminates all guns, people will resort to other tools, such as vehicles.
So you are saying that much of the first world, except the USA, lives in a Utopian world?
 

basketcase

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Heavy regulated until they get caught ... General Motors !!!!!
No idea what you're trying to prove with this.

Cars, medicines, and boats all have more regulations than guns and all of them have a purpose other than to kill.

Really you wish to compare the civil rights movement and the protesting of Vietnam to a few high school kids protesting .
You're the one who said that their opinions would be forgotten simply because they are kids. You might not understand it but kids become adults.
 

basketcase

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How would you know ? Ever shot an AR-15 before ? Besides gun nuts as you like to call them don't really care about what you think how the US should run their own country .
I've shot a Lee Enfield, a Remington bolt action and even an AK. Guns are fun but they should be regulated far more than the US does.
 

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Yeah, and so are gun owners in Canada; you have to have a license. The situation in the US is conflated to Canada, so that the posters here want to ban them here too.
Haven't seen too many people here saying Canada should ban more guns. Most of us are pretty content with the balance our laws strike.
 

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The vast majority of murders in the US are committed by criminals, including gangs murdering each other. They will always fing a way to get guns, even if they have to have them made.....
But the US sure can make it a lot more difficult (and therefore more expensive).
 

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The vast majority of murders in the US are committed by criminals, including gangs murdering each other. They will always fing a way to get guns, even if they have to have them made.

If, in the utopian world that is just around the corner, a wave of the magic wand eliminates all guns, people will resort to other tools, such as vehicles.
But the US sure can make it a lot more difficult (and therefore more expensive).

I said this half jokingly - but I truly believe that given a choice, the vast majority in the US would go back to the "good old days" when only law abiding citizens or hardened criminals had guns. It's the terror of mass, random shootings that is creating the current climate of fear of guns, IMO. Because of the curious phenomenon of gun sales ramping up whenever a gun control President is in power, or whenever gun control talks rise - it would be an interesting study to try to find which side has more effect on increasing guns out in the public. Eg - gun sales had dropped so dramatically since Trump was elected that Remington Arms has filed Chapter 11 and other gun manufacturers have reported dismal results. So either the market is saturated, OR, the best "anti-gun" policy is to have a pro-gun Administration? This would be an interesting debate, for sure.

Because there is no middle ground being explored - the automatic reaction for many Americans whenever gun control comes up is to go out and secure your supply of guns. Eg: I bet this quarter will be a good one for gun makers. Here's a thought: What if talks were NOT about eliminating supply at all - but in better controlling access? Maybe some progress could be made without the panic buying of guns?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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What's really funny is when McNasty tries to backtrack from his own stupidity. McNasty is now trying to say he was only talking about the US - hoping that his incredibly BAD ADVICE would be forgotten. Here's the thing Small Hands McNasty doesn't realize - in many US States, he would be in just as much legal trouble if his first reaction to a situation is to run for his gun safe when he hears a noise then kill somebody in "self defence".

Small Hands is a perfect example of a guy who uses his guns as a compensation. A responsible gun owner is aware of the laws in his jurisdiction as well as the ramifications of misusing them or deliberately using lethal force. A responsible gun owner doesn't do stupid shit - like posting a picture of his small hands holding a cartridge in front of a screenshot of an escort review board (BTW - fingers shorter than a 2.25 inch cartridge). Yeah - REAL SMART move Einstein. In fact, McNasty is one reason gun owners get a lot of grief. It's always the minority who give the majority a bad name. And yeah Small Hands - I was wrong about you not owning a gun - I guess it was wishful thinking on my part because I don't believe idiots should own guns.

Now, I expect that McNasty will put his lonely little fingers on his keyboard and spend another day or so insulting anybody who dares to call him out on his stupidity. That's what he does.... all day, every day. Anybody ever seen a review by McNasty? Or any contribution that's informative for that matter? The guy's a lonely shut-in whose only connection to the outside world is this board. Like his hero, and fellow small hand compensating idiot would say: "SAD".
Look dude, I get it that you're mad I outed you for that other prolific poster, but what I said is correct. If someone breaks into your house and threatens your life you have the right to defend yourself (even with a gun). You might get charged, but if its legitimate self-defense no judge or jury is going to convict you
 

shack

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Look dude, I get it that you're mad I outed you for that other prolific poster, but what I said is correct. If someone breaks into your house and threatens your life you have the right to defend yourself (even with a gun). You might get charged, but if its legitimate self-defense no judge or jury is going to convict you
Is that like if you embezzle money from your business, just tell the judge that you are broke and needed to feed your family and he'll let you off?
 

apoptygma

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Is that like if you embezzle money from your business, just tell the judge that you are broke and needed to feed your family and he'll let you off?
Don't be ridiculous.
It's like when you rape your neighbour's daughter and the judge lets you off because you tell him you were horny.
 

shack

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Don't be ridiculous.
It's like when you rape your neighbour's daughter and the judge lets you off because you tell him you were horny.
I think I understand better now. Thanks.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Is that like if you embezzle money from your business, just tell the judge that you are broke and needed to feed your family and he'll let you off?
If someone breaks into your home and tries to kill you you have the legal right to use whatever force necessary to defend yourself.
You do not have the right to shoot someone just for breaking into your house.

I dont understand why you're having so much trouble with this
 

apoptygma

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If someone breaks into your home and tries to kill you you have the legal right to use whatever force necessary to defend yourself.
You do not have the right to shoot someone just for breaking into your house.
Please play out the scenario for us.
Something like this?...

*smash*
<Nasty wakes up, turns over in bed, reaches to gun safe, unlocks with fingerprint scan, locked and loaded... armed in less than 5 seconds>
*Mission Impossible music as Nasty stealthily walks upstairs from his basement bedroom*
*Nasty gets eyes on menacing intruder in hallway*
Nasty: "Whoa there illegal intruder. I have you in my sights you dastardly individual. Speak now... Do you intend on stealing my TV and car keys, or is your nefarious intention to rape grammies and murder the both of us? For if it is the former, I have no intention or legal right to dispatch my loaded and cocked firearm at the centre mass of your person, however, you scoundrel, if it is the latter, prepare to die!"

You can take it from here and let us know how you'd handle it.
 

danmand

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Please play out the scenario for us.
Something like this?...

*smash*
<Nasty wakes up, turns over in bed, reaches to gun safe, unlocks with fingerprint scan, locked and loaded... armed in less than 5 seconds>
*Mission Impossible music as Nasty stealthily walks upstairs from his basement bedroom*
*Nasty gets eyes on menacing intruder in hallway*
Nasty: "Whoa there illegal intruder. I have you in my sights you dastardly individual. Speak now... Do you intend on stealing my TV and car keys, or is your nefarious intention to rape grammies and murder the both of us? For if it is the former, I have no intention or legal right to dispatch my loaded and cocked firearm at the centre mass of your person, however, you scoundrel, if it is the latter, prepare to die!"

You can take it from here and let us know how you'd handle it.
A large number of children are shot by parents every year in USA, when they try to sneak into the house after the curfew time.
 
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