Shooting at a Florida high school

[Phil C. McNasty]

The posts in this thread are beyond words.

If a school shooter suddenly opens fire, the vast majority of students will run like hell and get away as fast away ass they can from the perpetrator. This would seem the most logical choice based on the option students have................DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yield:

So.........if you have an armed teacher, it would seem to me the most logical choice is you blow that motherfucker away!!

End of story!!!!!

 

[malata]

The posts in this thread are beyond words.

If a school shooter suddenly opens fire, the vast majority of students will run like hell and get away as fast away ass they can from the perpetrator. This would seem the most logical choice based on the option students have................DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yield:

So.........if you have an armed teacher, it would seem to me the most logical choice is you blow that motherfucker away!!

End of story!!!!!

i guess you don't think a 4 inch text book would protect them

 

[basketcase]

Cops do a lot more than shoot guns. They uphold the law, and all of the laws. The duty of a volunteer who is armed is very narrow, and doesn't need the training that the cop gets, because most of it is irrelevant. Self defense and the protection of others in the immediate until help arrives is the only thing they have to focus on.

Except we are not looking at volunteer armed patrols. You are talking about teachers being given the added responsibility of being tactical marksmen as part of their job. The only thing they need to focus on is teaching a lesson, dealing with discipline, helping struggling students, keeping parents informed, planning and marking, running extracurriculars, and now gunning down school shooters armed with far more powerful weaponry (and all for $50,000 a year).

If the actual cops in this case didn't feel prepared to go in and deal with a gunman then why would you expect teachers (who are paid even less) to successfully add it to their repertoire?

 

[basketcase]

...

Trump was talking about compensation, but that's not a salary.

In the capitalist world, increased duties means increased remuneration.

And even if it is just "compensation" who is going to pay for it?

 

[basketcase]

No, you're right. Unarmed people are so much more useful

Unarmed people have never accidentally shot an innocent person.

 

[Butler1000]

The posts in this thread are beyond words.

If a school shooter suddenly opens fire, the vast majority of students will run like hell and get away as fast away ass they can from the perpetrator. This would seem the most logical choice based on the option students have................DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yield:

So.........if you have an armed teacher, it would seem to me the most logical choice is you blow that motherfucker away!!

End of story!!!!!

Dude. It appears it was now FOUR deputies who didn't go in after the shooter. These are armed and trained peace officers.

What the hell makes you think a middle aged teacher will do better?

Especially in a panic situation.

As well think about this. How do piece tell the difference between a shooter and a teacher? Both armed and possibly firing weapons.

And as one person pointed out. Would any black teacher arm themselves and rely on the cop's good judgement?

Think man!

 

[wilbur]

Except we are not looking at volunteer armed patrols. You are talking about teachers being given the added responsibility of being tactical marksmen as part of their job. The only thing they need to focus on is teaching a lesson, dealing with discipline, helping struggling students, keeping parents informed, planning and marking, running extracurriculars, and now gunning down school shooters armed with far more powerful weaponry (and all for $50,000 a year).

If the actual cops in this case didn't feel prepared to go in and deal with a gunman then why would you expect teachers (who are paid even less) to successfully add it to their repertoire?

It doesn't matter what I said, you keep on blathering on the same false premises, and you're mired in misinformed stereotypes. You don't even read what I write; or maybe your memory is somewhat lacking.


But I hope that facts may be more important for others looking at both sides of the issue.

 

[Darts]

It is so sad that it has come to this.
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...ally-work-in-schools-dont-want-armed-teachers

Next, will President Trump and the NRA recommend school kids wear bullet proof vests and helmets?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Dude. It appears it was now FOUR deputies who didn't go in after the shooter. These are armed and trained peace officers.

What the hell makes you think a middle aged teacher will do better?

Especially in a panic situation.

As well think about this. How do piece tell the difference between a shooter and a teacher? Both armed and possibly firing weapons.

And as one person pointed out. Would any black teacher arm themselves and rely on the cop's good judgement?

Think man!

We'll just have a shootout in the OK Corral. Nothing wrong with that :encouragement:

 

[apoptygma]

NOW we know where Trumpledite got his ideas on gun control!
I KNEW it sounded familiar.

 

[malata]

NOW we know where Trumpledite got his ideas on gun control!
I KNEW it sounded familiar.

now you're really being dramatic

 

[apoptygma]

now you're really being dramatic

I shit you not. Word for word, and he has the same stupid look on his face too.
Can't make this stuff up.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

now you're really being dramatic

ApoPigmie doesn't realize it's a comedy

 

[Conil]

Coward cops are going to get it.

 

[Smallcock]

We live in a world where free speech is under attack, where the nuclear family has been dismantled, and where fake news (propaganda) rules the airwaves. The last thing one should advocate for is to ban guns. It may be the only remaining barrier to complete authoritarianism.

 

[bver_hunter]

More like a culture of:

1. Having guns to protect yourself as the cops are too shit scared to take any action to protect you.
2. Children have to be protected by their teachers. So if you cannot use a gun then you no longer are qualified to be a teacher.
3. Bump stocks will be replaced by new technology, that will be far more precise, and designed to take down three times as many students.

 

[wilbur]

Dude. It appears it was now FOUR deputies who didn't go in after the shooter. These are armed and trained peace officers.

What the hell makes you think a middle aged teacher will do better?

The 4 deputies were paid and trained for armed intervention. They were paid to put themselves in a potentially dangerous situation, which they didn't do. Looks like that police department has problems with their organisation.

The middle aged teacher is equipped for self defense. He/she is already in the middle of that situation.

Especially in a panic situation.

Proper training prevents panic situations. When the fear factor sets in (nobody wants to die), one's IQ goes down by 50%, depending on the individual. In those situations, people revert to their training. So if you got no training, you won't know what to do and either freeze or possibly act counter productively. When you're trained, your trained reflexes kick in. A good example are emergency procedures that are practiced by airline pilots in simulators; too late to think about it when an engine quits on take-off if you've only read about it before. It takes a few hours of training for the average person. They are proposing to train these volunteers, and not just give the guns away.

As well think about this. How do piece tell the difference between a shooter and a teacher? Both armed and possibly firing weapons.

A proper concealed carry course instructs you to keep your handgun kept inside your hidden hoster until you are ready to actually use it. So if you're running towards where the action is, you keep it hidden until you get there and assess the situation first. That way, other armed people will not shoot at you, thinking that you're an aggressor. In any case, it would be expected that the teachers and other school employees know each other

And as one person pointed out. Would any black teacher arm themselves and rely on the cop's good judgement?

Think man!

That comment smacks of racism. We've gotten from an 18 year old wearing military fatigues running around shooting a rifle at anybody, to a middle aged teacher who everybody knows in a suit who hasn't revealed his gun yet. In any case, concealed carry courses teach you that you are taking a risk of being mistaken for a bad guy if you draw your gun; but that may be the risk you take for defending yourself and/or doing your civic duty. And when the cops get there, you probably will get arrested and have a bunch of laser sights on you, until they sort everything out. But that's why you volunteer.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The 4 deputies were paid and trained for armed intervention. They were paid to put themselves in a potentially dangerous situation, which they didn't do. Looks like that police department has problems with their organisation.

The middle aged teacher is equipped for self defense. He/she is already in the middle of that situation.



Proper training prevents panic situations. When the fear factor sets in (nobody wants to die), one's IQ goes down by 50%, depending on the individual. In those situations, people revert to their training. So if you got no training, you won't know what to do and either freeze or possibly act counter productively. When you're trained, your trained reflexes kick in. A good example are emergency procedures that are practiced by airline pilots in simulators; too late to think about it when an engine quits on take-off if you've only read about it before. It takes a few hours of training for the average person. They are proposing to train these volunteers, and not just give the guns away.




A proper concealed carry course instructs you to keep your handgun kept inside your hidden hoster until you are ready to actually use it. So if you're running towards where the action is, you keep it hidden until you get there and assess the situation first. That way, other armed people will not shoot at you, thinking that you're an aggressor. In any case, it would be expected that the teachers and other school employees know each other



That comment smacks of racism. We've gotten from an 18 year old wearing military fatigues running around shooting a rifle at anybody, to a middle aged teacher who everybody knows in a suit who hasn't revealed his gun yet. In any case, concealed carry courses teach you that you are taking a risk of being mistaken for a bad guy if you draw your gun; but that may be the risk you take for defending yourself and/or doing your civic duty. And when the cops get there, you probably will get arrested and have a bunch of laser sights on you, until they sort everything out. But that's why you volunteer

Add to that the vast majority of school shootings have been done by kids, so when the cops come rushing in they're gonna be looking for an armed kid and not necessarily a teacher

 

[essguy_]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Smallcock]

Over the last 25 years, the U.S. gun homicide rate has fallen by over half while the gun violence victimization rate has fallen by about 70%. So, why does it seem like gun violence is a growing problem?
https://www.libertarianism.org/media/free-thoughts/guns-mass-shootings