Whatch'a thinking, you want to give them instigator penalties?
Best just to note who is killing more people/civilians.
Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, defying allies and foes
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Best just to note who is killing more people/civilians.
Or:Not complicated at all,... Hamas initiated attacks/violence,... Israel responded.
Israel occupies Palestine, Hamas resists the occupation, Israel responds.
And you could also mention that due to the occupation and blockade of Gaza, the UN has stated that Gaza may be 'unliveable' right now.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-may-already-be-unlivable-un-official-warns/Gaza 'unliveable' ten years after Hamas seized power: U.N.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A decade after the Islamist group Hamas seized Gaza, the Palestinian enclave is effectively unliveable for its 2 million people, with declining incomes, healthcare, education, electricity and fresh water, the United Nations said.
You hate it when people repost what you say. You had no issue with Palestinians attacking the bunch of hiking kids and justified it by suggesting that Jews have no right to walk in the West Bank.I'm calling you out for lying.....
As usual you like to blame Israel because Hamas commits terror attacks while hiding behind civilians. The last conflict well showed Hamas using hospitals and schools as part of their military infrastructure but your only complain is that Israel dared try to stop terrorism.Which side ....
Hamas et al want to kill Israeli civilians and have no concern for their own people. Their rejection of the possibility of peace is the core of the problem.
Nice justification for Hamas. Not a surprise coming from the guy who claimed that when a Canadian kid was blown uup on a beach, the blame lay with her parents and not Hamas who set the bomb.The same reason violent factions in Israel support and form illegal settlements. They are fanatics and there will always be some.
If you want to play that game, the initiation of violence in the modern era was Arabs rioting against Jews in Hebron and Jerusalem because other Jews were moving into the neighbourhood. The Palestinians are still attacking Jews for the exact same reason as they incited riots in 1919, because they don't want Jewish neighbours.Thats difficult to say. If an Israeli bomb killed a mans children and he goes and kills an Israeli Jew, who initiated the violence in your opinion?
You hate it when people repost what you say. You claim Israeli's have the right to defend themselves yet had no issue with Palestinians defending themselves from what you claim are foreigner Israelis from trespassing on their property while fully armed. In this case you support Israelis 'defending themselves' while trespassing and 'defending' themselves by killing a civilian farmer working on his field.You hate it when people repost what you say. You had no issue with Palestinians attacking the bunch of hiking kids and justified it by suggesting that Jews have no right to walk in the West Bank.
As usual you like to blame Palestinians while Israel keeps them walled up in Gaza, the world's largest open air prison. The conflict well showed Israel bombing schools, hospitals, ambulances, civilian infrastructure and homes, killing thousands of civilians. But you only blame Palestinians for Israeli missiles and bombs.As usual you like to blame Israel because Hamas commits terror attacks while hiding behind civilians. The last conflict well showed Hamas using hospitals and schools as part of their military infrastructure but your only complain is that Israel dared try to stop terrorism.
The initiation of violence was the zionist movement, a religious movement to colonize a foreign country.If you want to play that game, the initiation of violence in the modern era was Arabs rioting against Jews in Hebron and Jerusalem because other Jews were moving into the neighbourhood. The Palestinians are still attacking Jews for the exact same reason as they incited riots in 1919, because they don't want Jewish neighbours.
The history shows the population living in a pluralist society peacefully until zionists chose to call it a country for one religion only.
So you again are saying violence is an acceptable response to being in the wrong neighbourhood. Only an absolute zealot would say buying property is "violence". Are you a Klan member?...
The history shows the population living in a pluralist society peacefully until zionists chose to call it a country for one religion only.
And Israel was never meant to be only for Jews. 20% of their population will disagree with you.
Absolutely. Self defence does not extend to people walking near you. The appropriate response is negotiating a solution to the conflict but you would rather support violence like your Hamas masters.You hate it when people repost what you say. You claim Israeli's have the right to defend themselves yet had no issue with Palestinians defending themselves from what you claim are foreigner Israelis from trespassing on their property while fully armed.....
Yes, Israel bombed where Hamas was attacking from. There is plenty of open land in Gaza where Hamas could have chose to launch there terror rockets from but they intentionally hid in schools and hospitals....
As usual you like to blame Palestinians while Israel keeps them walled up in Gaza, the world's largest open air prison. The conflict well showed Israel bombing schools, hospitals, ambulances, civilian infrastructure and homes, killing thousands of civilians. But you only blame Palestinians for Israeli missiles and bombs...
You have repeatedly declared Israel to be the Jewish state, that means that Palestinians are second class citizens. Its a form of apartheid as noted by the UN.So you again are saying violence is an acceptable response to being in the wrong neighbourhood. Only an absolute zealot would say buying property is "violence". Are you a Klan member?
And Israel was never meant to be only for Jews. 20% of their population will disagree with you.
Violence isn't an appropriate response in areas where the rule of law defends the rights of everyone. Sadly that isn't the case in Palestine, where foreigner trespassers are supported by people like you when they march fully armed onto land they plan to colonize. When people like you support 'settling' or stealing land that sets up a situation where the locals are forced to threaten to use force. In this case that defence appears to be justified as the trespassers were found to have shot and killed a civilian farmer who was just working on his land.
Now, you still refuse to say whether you think this crime happened in apartheid Israel or illegally occupied Palestine.
How morally fucked up is your position when you can't even identify where this crime happened?
Right, so the foreign trespassers had no right to 'self defence' when they killed the civilian Palestinian working on his land.Absolutely. Self defence does not extend to people walking near you.
Israel bombed hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, police stations, ambulances and homes.Yes, Israel bombed
Killing thousands of civilians.
Yet here you are blaming Palestinians for getting in the way of those morally correct instruments of death.
It seems to me to be a complete waste of time to focus on ‘who fired the first shot’ at this point.
It’s been over 100 years since the Balfour Declaration...
The cause of this violence was the declaration of war Trump implied by reversing the ‘have your cake and eat it too’ approach of Clinton, Bush and Obama toward the Jerusalem Act.
Sad days when you genuinely miss W.
Maybe he’s playing a much larger game here than what I can see, but if it’s just MAGA, we are very likely going to see the end of this hegemony in only a term or two.
But, he did get rid of that pesky Estate Tax. The world is a better place now that we can be sure his ilk gets that extra $1.23 billion (based on a $3 billion Estate) of pure patriotic, and so very, very hard earned American dollars, should the 71-year old ever pass.
Such a dotard.
It’s been over 100 years since the Balfour Declaration...
The cause of this violence was the declaration of war Trump implied by reversing the ‘have your cake and eat it too’ approach of Clinton, Bush and Obama toward the Jerusalem Act.
Sad days when you genuinely miss W.
Maybe he’s playing a much larger game here than what I can see, but if it’s just MAGA, we are very likely going to see the end of this hegemony in only a term or two.
But, he did get rid of that pesky Estate Tax. The world is a better place now that we can be sure his ilk gets that extra $1.23 billion (based on a $3 billion Estate) of pure patriotic, and so very, very hard earned American dollars, should the 71-year old ever pass.
Such a dotard.
the violence LONG predates the existence of Hamas. and you do not answer the specific question. If a country bombed your house and killed your family and you killed someone in retaliation. Who started the violence?Not complicated at all,... Hamas initiated attacks/violence,... Israel responded.
That is an over simplification. There are many different opinions of what happened and you are just expressing the one from the strongest protagonist.If you want to play that game, the initiation of violence in the modern era was Arabs rioting against Jews in Hebron and Jerusalem because other Jews were moving into the neighbourhood. The Palestinians are still attacking Jews for the exact same reason as they incited riots in 1919, because they don't want Jewish neighbours.
Nice justification for Hamas. Not a surprise coming from the guy who claimed that when a Canadian kid was blown uup on a beach, the blame lay with her parents and not Hamas who set the bomb.
If you go to a nation that is oppressing millions to show solidarity with its cause, and you end up dead, then that is just karma.
Yes, you are correct about Arabs enacting violence against Jews, predating Hamas.the violence LONG predates the existence of Hamas. and you do not answer the specific question. If a country bombed your house and killed your family and you killed someone in retaliation. Who started the violence?
On your second sentence, one can only answer a stupid question with a stupid answer, but I don't do stupid,...so no answer.
Zionism is a movement to colonize a country for the people of one religion.Yes, you are correct about Arabs enacting violence against Jews, predating Hamas.
How is that not the origin of the violence, since up to that time Palestine was able to live with a pluralistic society, like Lebanon, in relative peace between groups.
More garbage from the resident Jew hater. Zionism is not and never was a religious movement. It was actually born out of socialism and realization of the simplest truth that Jews are unwanted and had no future in Europe. Zionism survived for the same reason Bundism did not.Zionism is a movement to colonize a country for the people of one religion.
How is that not the origin of the violence, since up to that time Palestine was able to live with a pluralistic society, like Lebanon, in relative peace between groups.
I didn't say it was a religious movement, I said it was a movement to colonize a country for the people of one religion.More garbage from the resident Jew hater. Zionism is not and never was a religious movement. It was actually born out of socialism and realization of the simplest truth that Jews are unwanted and had no future in Europe. Zionism survived for the same reason Bundism did not.
Its not a movement supported by all Jews and is not part of one religious branch, its just a political movement.
But it's still a movement to colonize a country that was already occupied.
That's the start of the violence there.
You can keep dreaming about pushing the Jews into the sea of the one state solution but neither will ever happen. the sooner Palestinian leaders and people like you face the reality that Israel is here to stay and that BOTH sides will have to make hard choices and compromises instead of trying to sell a false and hopeless dream there may be some movement toward peace.I didn't say it was a religious movement, I said it was a movement to colonize a country for the people of one religion.
Its not a movement supported by all Jews and is not part of one religious branch, its just a political movement.
But it's still a movement to colonize a country that was already occupied.
That's the start of the violence there.
