CBC: Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state

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See, there you go accusing the 700 Palestinian children Israel killed of being terrorists who attacked them.
You say you don't excuse Israel killing children but there you are excusing them of killing children and instead blaming those children for getting killed by Israel.
I am accusing Hamas of firing hundreds of terror rockets while hiding among the civilian population. You've admitted they are terror weapons but you still can't find your way to actually criticizing Hamas for firing them nor can you see fit to criticize Hamas for doing so while hiding behind children.
 

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I am accusing Hamas of firing hundreds of terror rockets while hiding among the civilian population. You've admitted they are terror weapons but you still can't find your way to actually criticizing Hamas for firing them nor can you see fit to criticize Hamas for doing so while hiding behind children.
That has nothing to do with Israel killing 700 children.

Its just you trying to excuse Israel for continually killing 10x as many civilians or people as Palestinians do.
You continue to claim that Palestinians are the violent ones, yet the stats show that Israel continually kills 10x as many people.

Your excuses are just excuses for war crimes and apartheid.
 

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That has nothing to do with Israel killing 700 children.....
Except the deaths of those Palestinians mainly occurred when Israel tried to stop the hundreds of Hamas terror rockets fired from Gaza. As usual you refuse to criticize the terrorists who were the attackers.

Hamas et al stop attacking Israel and there will be no need for Israel to stop them.
 

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Except the deaths of those Palestinians mainly occurred when Israel tried to stop
Those deaths happened when Israel killed them.
Israel chooses when to fire their weapons, not Palestians.

You may not have an issue with killing Palestinians, but the rest of the world still sees it as a crime.
 

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Israel chooses when to fire their weapons, not Palestians.....
Actually Hamas are the ones who chose to fire those weapons. Israel's only choice was whether to let Hamas continue terror attacks or try to stop them. Hamas being the coward terrorists that they are decided to hide deep within the civilian population using hospitals and schools as part of their infrastructure.

Hamas could have decided that peace is an option but they choose terrorism and violence. Hamas could have chosen not to fire terror rockets but they did. Hamas could have fired those rockets away from civilians but they chose to risk people's lives.

Simply out the blame lies entirely with Hamas and the rest.
 

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And Hamas is still pushing violence.

Trump plans to officially recognize Israel's capital which is stupid (despite the fact tit has been Israel's capital for decades). Hamas of course responds to Trump by threatening to kill more Israelis.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...f-us-recognizes-jerusalem-as-israeli-capital/
Its not stupid, its a war crime.
And its not surprising that a US statement to attempt to legalize the illegal colonization of Jerusalem is met with threats that Palestinians would defend their land.

I thought you supported peace and the two state solution.
 

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Actually Hamas are the ones who chose to fire those weapons.
Actually it was Israeli weapons that killed 700 children since 2009.

Do you not think that Israel can make their own moral choices as to whether or not to fire their weapons?
 

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Its not stupid, its a war crime.
And its not surprising that a US statement to attempt to legalize the illegal colonization of Jerusalem is met with threats that Palestinians would defend their land.

I thought you supported peace and the two state solution.
You are just as bad as Hamas. Besides the fact that Israel already has Jerusalem as it's capital, it is just another excuse for Hamas to resort to terrorism instead of negotiations.

More importantly, it's a US action, not an Israeli one so why do your terrorist buddies want to kill Israelis over it?
 

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Actually it was Israeli weapons that killed 700 children since 2009.

Do you not think that Israel can make their own moral choices as to whether or not to fire their weapons?
And look at you once again saying Jews have no right to protect themselves from terrorism.

Hamas fired thousands of terror rockets from Gaza during that time. I don't see you criticizing Hamas for that.
Hamas fired all those terror rockets while hiding their infrastructure in hospitals and schools. I don't see you criticizing Hamas for that.
The only criticism you can make is that Israel did something top stop the terror rockets.

Fraudfooter strikes again.
 

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You are just as bad as Hamas. Besides the fact that Israel already has Jerusalem as it's capital,
The world doesn't recognize Jerusalem as Israeli, and consider that illegal.
151 countries just made that statement.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/UN-disavows-Israeli-ties-to-Jerusalem-515730

Its pathetic that Trudeau made Canada one of the only 6 countries who didn't sign, which other then the US include only Micronesia, Naru and the Marshall Islands.
Out of 193 countries.
 

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And look at you once again saying Jews have no right to protect themselves from terrorism.
Who is talking about terrorism here?
Hamas has a right to defend themselves against illegal colonization, occupation and apartheid rule.
They don't have a right to use terrorism, same with Israel.

Israel, according to the Geneva Conventions, cannot take Palestinian land by force or in any other way.
That's a war crime.

Are you defending more war crimes?
 

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Who is talking about terrorism here?...
You clearly are and you continue to support it.

You have already been forced to admit that Hamas rockets are terrorism but for some reason you keep pretending Hamas has the right to fire those rockets from deep within the civilian population and pretending Israel isn't allowed to stop them.
 

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Yet it is already Israel's capital.
No, its not.
How do you claim your capital when the world has just told you:
The resolution stated that “any actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem are illegal and therefore null and void and have no validity whatsoever.”
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/UN-disavows-Israeli-ties-to-Jerusalem-515730

Your statement has zero validity.
 

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You clearly are and you continue to support it.

You have already been forced to admit that Hamas rockets are terrorism but for some reason you keep pretending Hamas has the right to fire those rockets from deep within the civilian population and pretending Israel isn't allowed to stop them.
Hamas' rockets are war crimes because they cannot be aimed accurately.
Contrast that with the state of the art Israeli missiles and bombs that are intentionally aimed at schools, hospitals and homes.

Then tell me which is the worse war crime.
And prep that as your defence at the ICC.
 

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Hamas' rockets are war crimes because they cannot be aimed accurately.....
Is that supposed to absolve Hamas terrorism? Also a war crime is Hamas firing them from deep within the civilian population, using schools and hospitals as part of their terror infrastructure.

Again Israel was left with the choice of enduring endless Hamas terror rockets or trying to stop the rockets. Why is it you refuse to condemn the Hamas terrorism that started each of the Gaza conflicts or their hiding behind civilians?
 

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IAgain Israel was left with the choice of enduring endless Hamas terror rockets or trying to stop the rockets. Why is it you refuse to condemn the Hamas terrorism that started each of the Gaza conflicts or their hiding behind civilians?
Israel started the slaughter in Gaza, they could easily have left alone.
Or better yet they could end the blockade and allow Palestinians equal rights or end the occupation.

Israel chose to attack Gaza.
Which is why its now being looked at by the ICC.
 

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Is this like you pretending Israel has no borders?

Sorry but Jerusalem has been Israel's capital for decades. Try even googling the words "Israel" and "capital".
Bullshit.
Declaring Jerusalem as Israeli is a war crime.
151 countries just confirmed this.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=un+i...69i57j69i60.3927j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You don't support the two state solution if you support illegal colonization like this.
Which leaves you supporting apartheid.

The UN SC has also declared your statement to be wrong.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 was adopted on 23 December 2016. It concerns the Israeli settlements in "Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem". The resolution passed in a 14–0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC). Four members with United Nations Security Council veto power, China, France, Russia, and the United Kingdom, voted for the resolution, but the United States abstained.[1]
 
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