CBC: Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state

Frankfooter

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LOL. You praise anyone when they are criticizing Israel. You entire posting history speaks for itself and is obvious to anyone who pays attention.
Israeli government policy, I praise Israeli groups for criticizing what I see as war crimes committed by the Israeli government.
I'm sorry that you don't support both sides being held to the law.
 

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This is about Israeli government policy, not about a people
Tell you what, I've run into 4 people in my life who exhibited serious anti-semitism in their daily life. When I casually asked what their background was all 4 were told me they were German. I suspect you're German too, which means I'm batting a perfect .1000.

Its really, really strange why so many Germans seem to hate on a small race that only comprises less than 1% of the world's population

I became interested in this issue after working with Jewish and Palestinian friends who are critical of Israeli policy
I dont believe a word of this.
I think you're lying to somehow justify your anti-semitism

And I have to ask you, what nationality are you?
I'm Dutch.

And you still havent answered my question as to what your background is
 

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Israeli government policy, I praise Israeli groups for criticizing what I see as war crimes committed by the Israeli government.
I'm sorry that you don't support both sides being held to the law.
The dishonesty of your post is belied by your entire posting history.
 

Frankfooter

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Tell you what, I've run into 4 people in my life who exhibited serious anti-semitism in their daily life. When I casually asked what their background was all 4 were told me they were German. I suspect you're German too, which means I'm batting a perfect .1000.
Well, you're still batting 1.000 for labelling all anti-semites as German.
'Cuz I've got no issue with the people, just the Netanyahu gov't. As I've stated, I backed Sanders in the US, quoted from Haaretz which posts good articles, quoted from numerous Jewish human rights organizations like Breaking the Silence and Independent Jewish Voices. I don't know how well you know the Toronto Jewish community but there is a long history of left wing Jews in this city, complete with 'cottagey' camp grounds just at the edge of the 'burbs. There are lots of hard core orthodox in the walled area (what's the term for the wire 'wall' that surrounds the community there, I forget?), but downtown from Kensington market to the Spadina historic Jewish diners there's also a long history of more left leaning Jews. Those are the folk I've ended up hanging with and working with. Including a Palestinian/Jewish couple who introduced me to Rachel Corrie and her story.

I sound hard core anti-Israel here, but that's only because basketcase (and fuji before him) refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing by the Israeli government.
'Cuz the only thing I'm hard core for is equal rights there, that's the only way forward that I can see, the two state solution is dead.
Ethno states are so 18th century anyways...

I'm Dutch.

And you still havent answered my question as to what your background is
I told you, I'm Canadian.
I self identify as Canadian.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Well, you're still batting 1.000 for labelling all anti-semites as German
I self identify as Canadian
Nope, I never said all anti-semites are German, I said all anti-semites that I've personally met have all been German.

I'm also not saying all Germans are anti-semites, thats obviously not true

I sound hard core anti-Israel here
You sure do

I told you, I'm Canadian.
I self identify as Canadian
Unless you're native-Indian you're not a true Canadian, you have to have some other type of background. But hey, I get why you dont want to tell us, cause most of us have already figured it out on our own anyways.

Just so you know, I'm now 5 for 5 and still batting .1000
 

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Israeli government policy, I praise Israeli groups for criticizing what I see as war crimes committed by the Israeli government.
I'm sorry that you don't support both sides being held to the law.
Considering you refuse to criticize Palestinian policy on anything, you're "both sides" claims are a fraud.
 

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Well, you're still batting 1.000 for labelling all anti-semites ....
You do realize why people accuse you of being racist right?

You constantly criticize Israel for everything, going as far as criticizing Israel for arresting teens who committed attacks against Israelis. At the same time you refuse to criticize any Palestinian/Arab actions or policies and have repeatedly justified Palestinian violence and rejection of peace.

Sorry Fraudfooter but the accusations have a solid basis in fact.

p.s. I've clearly stated my issues with Israeli policies. My main objections are the settlement movement and the political gamesmanship that gives the religious right undue influence. That said, there are also many positive things about Israeli society; the freedom of speech being one of them. I would never want to be anything but Canadian but Israel would rank as a better place than 2/3 of the world.
 

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Considering you refuse to criticize Palestinian policy on anything, you're "both sides" claims are a fraud.
I think Abbas is a total idiot and his policies have been incredibly stupid and bad for peace and the Palestinian people.
He should have resigned a decade ago.

I've said that multiple times here, but you ignore it.
 

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You do realize why people accuse you of being racist right?

You constantly criticize Israel for everything, going as far as criticizing Israel for arresting teens who committed attacks against Israelis.
No, I was criticizing Israel for killing 700 children.
Something you refuse to do, instead you suggest they all deserved to die as 'terrorists'.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...rtheid-state&p=5990109&viewfull=1#post5990109

p.s. I've clearly stated my issues with Israeli policies. My main objections are the settlement movement and the political gamesmanship that gives the religious right undue influence. That said, there are also many positive things about Israeli society; the freedom of speech being one of them. I would never want to be anything but Canadian but Israel would rank as a better place than 2/3 of the world.
And yet you never admit that the settlements are illegal and have killed the two state solution, instead the harshest criticism you've given them is that they give the appearance of Israel not wanting peace.

Hey, Mandela's grandson visited Israel today.
Monday, Mandela said, “The settlements I saw here [in the West Bank] reminded me of what we had suffered in South Africa because we also were surrounded by many settlements and were not allowed to move from one place to another freely. Palestinians are being subjected to the worst version of apartheid.”
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Ma...t-Israel-is-the-worst-apartheid-regime-515397

How long until you criticize Israeli apartheid?
 

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I think Abbas is a total idiot and his policies have been incredibly stupid and bad for peace and the Palestinian people.
He should have resigned a decade ago.

I've said that multiple times here, but you ignore it.
The fact that you criticize the corrupt clown but refuse to criticize the corrupt terrorists of Hamas says volumes.

But I do agree that Abbas screwed the Palestinian people when he rejected Olmert's offer (but since Hamas' refuses to hand its weapons to the legitimate authority, Abbas accepting peace wouldn't have mattered).
 

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Yes. You have several times posted articles criticizing Israel for arresting violent teens.
Children, I post when they arrest or kill children, like this arrest of a 9 year old.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779513

Killing 700 children is worth posting about on this thread as well.



Thankfully Mandela embraced peace as opposed to Hamas who still want to destroy Israel.
You mean Hamas who has changed their charter, ceded power to a unity government and implemented years of voluntary ceasefire?

Mandela's charge of apartheid on Israel is just yet one more.
How are you going to deal with the ICC charges?
 

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Children, I post when they arrest or kill children, like this arrest of a 9 year old...
Detained during raids to arrest violent Palestinians. Even the Maan article admits it. Sadly Israel has to do this because the PA refuses to. But of course you won't criticize Palestinians throwing rocks and firebombs at Israelis.


p.s. When was the last time Maan criticized any arrests made by the PA?
 

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You mean Hamas who has changed their charter, ceded power to a unity government and implemented years of voluntary ceasefire?
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I mean Hamas who's new charter still promises Israel's destruction, still demands Islamic law, still refuses to hand power to the PA in Gaza, and still continues violence despite your bullshit of a "ceasefire".
 

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Detained during raids to arrest violent Palestinians.
In this thread we've been discussing the 700 Palestinian children Israel has killed since 2009, not the thousands of children Israel arrests, which are also horrible.

Those children that you called 'terrorists' and inferred that they deserved to die.

This was in the context of figuring out who is more violent, Israelis or Palestinians.
Looks like you and your lack of decency are making Israel look both more violent and less honest.

Heck of a way for you to defend Israeli apartheid.
 

Frankfooter

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...you've been making excuses for Palestinian violence while claiming to be pro-peace.
You've been making excuses for Israel killing 700 children while taking their land.

As noted by the stats, Israel regularly kills 10x as many people as do Palestinians, yet you still call Palestinians the violent ones.
You are the one making excuses for violence in support of apartheid.
 

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You've been making excuses for Israel killing 700 children while taking their land.

As noted by the stats, Israel regularly kills 10x as many people as do Palestinians, yet you still call Palestinians the violent ones.
You are the one making excuses for violence in support of apartheid.
I don't excuse Israel for those deaths but acknowledge that the vast majority of them were not caused by Israeli racism but rather occurred as Israel was trying to stop Palestinian terrorism. That Palestinian terrorism on the other hand are attempts to kill any Jews who lives in land the Palestinians claim.

All that is needed for the vast majority of violence to stop is for the Palestinians to stop attacking Israelis.

The worst part of your fraudulent moralism is that you reject the idea of peace in your desire to see Israel destroyed.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't excuse Israel for those deaths but acknowledge that the vast majority of them were not caused by Israeli racism but rather occurred as Israel was trying to stop Palestinian terrorism.
See, there you go accusing the 700 Palestinian children Israel killed of being terrorists who attacked them.
You say you don't excuse Israel killing children but there you are excusing them of killing children and instead blaming those children for getting killed by Israel.
 
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