CBC: Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state

[Frankfooter]

No, at this point you need to show us how Israel is SO MUCH MORE VIOLENT against Hamas (or the rest of the Palestinians) like you claimed.

We'll be waiting for your stats

Already provided, Phil.
Here are some of the numbers from the B'teselem stats pages.

Data by the date of event,
19 January 2009 - 30 September 2017 Occupied Territories Israel

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces
3071
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians
21

Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians
51
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians
61

http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/after-cast-lead/by-date-of-event

Israeli's killed about 3000 Palestinians compared to Palestinians killing about 20 civilians and 50 military.


By the way, the claim was that Israel is way more violent then Palestinians.
If you just put in the Hamas stats it looks much, much worse, with Hamas having not killed any Israeli's in Gaza at all during the same period.

Happy?

So if you are against violence you need to call out the most violent side, the one doing the brutal and illegal military occupation.

 

[basketcase]

I support peace.
....

You support Israel being punished but keep justifying Palestinian rejection of peace and promotion of violence. You are a fraud.

 

[basketcase]

Already provided, Phil.
Here are some of the numbers from the B'teselem stats pages.....

So your complaint it that Israel does a good job of stopping terrorist attacks. Not surprising because you have consistently complained that Israel arrests violent Palestinians or kills them in the act but you never actually criticize those Palestinians for attacking.

Fact is that all of the Israeli deaths were because Palestinians wanted to kill Israelis while the Palestinian deaths mainly happened as Israel was trying to stop attacks on Israelis. If Palestinian attacks on Israelis ever stop there will be no need for Israeli security responses.

 

[canada-man]

German Cout rules anti-zionism is anti-semitism

https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-judge-rules-anti-zionism-is-code-for-anti-semitism/

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Already provided, Phil.
Here are some of the numbers from the B'teselem stats page

Nah, you just quickly googled some bullshit that fit your narrative, lets be honest :biggrin1:

Show us how Israeli military power is so much more violent (like you claim it is) then its opposition

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Hey Frankfooter, can I please ask what nationality you are???

 

[Frankfooter]

You support Israel being punished but keep justifying Palestinian rejection of peace and promotion of violence. You are a fraud.

Rejection of what peace?

As noted by the stats provided by the Israeli B'teselem, Israel kills over 10x as many Palestinians as Palestinians kill Israelis.
Which makes you the one supporting the violence, not me.

You never criticize Israeli violence.

All you do is back more violence and an entrenching of apartheid rule.
http://imemc.org/article/apartheid-from-within-the-palestinian-citizens-of-israel/

 

[Frankfooter]

So your complaint it that Israel does a good job of stopping terrorist attacks.

Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists?
That every person, including over 700 children?

Are you cheering the killing of children by dehumanizing them and calling them 'terrorists'?
That's disgusting.

Israel kills way, way more people, civilians and children.
You are the one who repeatedly supports and justifies violence, as you just did with your last post.

Disgusting.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hey Frankfooter, can I please ask what nationality you are???

Sure.

I'm Canadian.

What nationality are you?

 

[basketcase]

Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists?

Where do you get idiotic statements like that from? Are you incapable of making an argument without lying and casting people who disagree with you as evil?

The reason why the Israeli death toll is lower is not because Palestinians don't routinely try to attack Israelis or they don't support attacks on Israeli civilians (latest polls have 46% supporting) but simply because Israel goes to great efforts and expense to defend themselves from terror attacks. The Palestinian death toll would be zero if it wasn't for terrorism and promotion of violence by Hamas et al but you never actually criticize that violence.



And it is laughable that you get upset that people accuse you of anti-semitism based on your continual demonization of Israel and you respond that you only criticize the government (which is a false claim as you routinely criticize Israel's right to exist) but then you throw out accusations of racism because I criticize groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah's armed wing and several other who Canada's government describes as terrorists.

 

[Frankfooter]

Where do you get idiotic statements like that from? Are you incapable of making an argument without lying and casting people who disagree with you as evil?

I gave you stats on all Palestinians killed and you then you stated:

So your complaint it that Israel does a good job of stopping terrorist attacks.

Your defence is that Israel killed 3000 people 'stopping terrorist attacks'?
That infers that every Palestinian killed was a 'terrorist', including the 700 children that Israel killed.

The reality is that Israel is way more violent, kills more children, kills more civilians or whatever metric you choose, then Palestinians.

You are the one supporting violence here.
Israel is way more violent then Hamas, yet you support those killings.

 

[basketcase]

I gave you stats on all Palestinians killed and you then you stated:...

Absolutely. The Israeli civilians and the vast majority of the soldiers killed were killed because simply they were Israeli. The vast majority of Palestinians killed were killed because they were attacking Israelis or those attacking Israelis were hiding with them.

Why do you find it so hard to criticize the Palestinians who commit or promote continued attacks on Israelis instead of promoting peace?

 

[Frankfooter]

Absolutely. The Israeli civilians and the vast majority of the soldiers killed were killed because simply they were Israeli. The vast majority of Palestinians killed were killed because they were attacking Israelis or those attacking Israelis were hiding with them.

That's kind of disgusting.

So there are 700 Palestinian children killed and now you claim they all died because they were attacking the army illegally occupying their land and therefore deserved to die?

Its bad enough that you keep saying you have 'no problem' with the settlements, but saying that you fully support Israel killing 700 children to defend those illegal settlements is pretty disgusting. Defending illegal settlements by killing children is disgusting.

And lets also note that you are confirming that Israel is the more violent partner by far but that you support their violence as you claim that its in defence of what is internationally recognized as war crimes.

Its disgusting that you support defending war crimes with the use of excessive violence that has resulted in the deaths of 700 children.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sure.

I'm Canadian.

What nationality are you?

I meant whats your background, but you knew that already.

I've met about 4 people in my life who constantly ranted about Jews this and Jews that. Guess what nationality all 4 had in common??

 

[Frankfooter]

I meant whats your background, but you knew that already.

I've met about 4 people in my life who constantly ranted about Jews this and Jews that. Guess what nationality all 4 had in common??

This is about Israeli government policy, not about a people.
I became interested in this issue after working with Jewish and Palestinian friends who are critical of Israeli policy.

And I have to ask you, what nationality are you?

 

[toguy5252]

This is about Israeli government policy, not about a people.
I became interested in this issue after working with Jewish and Palestinian friends who are critical of Israeli policy.

And I have to ask you, what nationality are you?

There is nothing wrong with criticizing Israeli policies. Very different then criticizing every Israeli policy and action and no Palestinian policy or action. Israel could discover a cure for cancer and you would be critical.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is nothing wrong with criticizing Israeli policies. Very different then criticizing every Israeli policy and action and no Palestinian policy or action. Israel could discover a cure for cancer and you would be critical.

That's why I praise and quote organizations like B'tselem and Breaking the Silence.
Those organizations are part of Israel that is worth praising, just as I also praise and quote IJV here.

 

[toguy5252]

That's why I praise and quote organizations like B'tselem and Breaking the Silence.
Those organizations are part of Israel that is worth praising, just as I also praise and quote IJV here.

LOL. You praise anyone when they are criticizing Israel. You entire posting history speaks for itself and is obvious to anyone who pays attention.

 

[basketcase]

That's kind of disgusting.....

Yes, your continual support for Palestinians attacking Israelis while criticizing Israel doing anything to stop them is disgusting.

The rest of your post is flat out lying.

p.s. Your Hamas heroes have reiterated that they will continue attacking Israel. Any criticism of that?

 

[basketcase]

This is about Israeli government policy, not about a people....

And yet you claim my criticism of Palestinian terrorism is racist.