Mass Shooting in Vegas

[shack]

For those of you who think it's not guns that kill people, and it's people that kill people (like someone said pencils don't make spelling mistakes), I have just one question:

Places like the Japan that have some of the strictest gun laws in the world, why does this not happen there?

Article in the New York Times reads: 477 days, 521 mass shootings, Congress does nothing.

 

[cunning linguist]

For those of you who think it's not guns that kill people, and it's people that kill people (like someone said pencils don't make spelling mistakes), I have just one question:

Places like the Japan that have some of the strictest gun laws in the world, why does this not happen there?

If you want to gloss over the fact that it's a generally homogenous and xenophobic society, occupying a small land mass and only look at the fact that private gun ownership is scarce...:doh:

 

[cunning linguist]

That's some weird sales logic, but yeah I remember reading about this too. Obama cracks down on guns and every gun lover and on-the-fencer lines up to buy them asap.

I didn't know gun makers struggled lately due to Trump.

You'd think a pro-gun mentality would lead to steady sales..... not rock bottom declines.

No it makes sense, when scarcity is foreseen (or in that case, forced) there will be hoarding. Goes to show that the people antis and gun grabbers are just the vocal minority.

 

[LickingGravity]

If you want to gloss over the fact that it's a generally homogenous and xenophobic society, occupying a small land mass and only look at the fact that private gun ownership is scarce...:doh:

Ok what's reasoning on Australia, UK and .......
Or chew on the fact that US has 5% of world's population and 30% of the mass shootings. Doesn't something need to change or are you happy with that ?

 

[jcpro]

Article in the New York Times reads: 477 days, 521 mass shootings, Congress does nothing.

By that definition there's a mass shooting in Chicago every weekend, sometimes more often. I guess black lives don't matter, after all.

 

[cunning linguist]

Ok what's reasoning on Australia, UK and .......
Or chew on the fact that US has 5% of world's population and 30% of the mass shootings. Doesn't something need to change or are you happy with that ?

No one wants to hear it, but sometimes shit just happens.

 

[TFZL1]

I have not read the thread or the debate this horrible shooting has caused here. I was just watching CNN with talks with a couple of the survivors and I am in tears. I can't even imagine talking points other then hurt, pain, and overwhelming sadness.

So while you all debate terror acts, gun laws and all the rest, my talking point is going to one thing and one thing...

Tell your loved ones that you love them. Hug them, hold them, do things with them. Find that old friend and rebook up, take that vacation you have been putting off with your family. Spend this coming thanksgiving with the ones who mean the most to you and be thankful for your life today. I know I am.

Much love TERB family. Much love to all of you. Even the ones who piss me off. This online community has been a home to me for years and all of you are apart of that for me so thank you.

Please have an amazing day today.

Thank you MFF, I agree with you, we need more love in the world. I'm missing some of my family, and was kinda down about thanksgiving coming, so I think I'll make some new plans

 

[onceaday]

Guns per 100 people:

US 88.8
Yemen 54.8
Switzerland 45.7
Canada 30.8
Germany 30.3
Australia/Mexico 15
England & Wales 6.2
India 4.2
Japan 0.6

 

[FAST]

Guns breed more guns.

This is really not very complicated, way too much inertia to be overcome by a lot of hand wringing.

Simply only going to get worse,... that is guaranteed.

So now how many dumb red necks are going to justify carrying a long gun,... "Oh but officer,... I though I saw a rifle sticking out of a window,..."

 

[jcpro]

Guns per 100 people:

US 88.8
Yemen 54.8
Switzerland 45.7
Canada 30.8
Germany 30.3
Australia/Mexico 15
England & Wales 6.2
India 4.2
Japan 0.6

How many Muslims per 100? The reason I'm asking is, if we were to follow the gun control lobby's logic, banning and deporting ALL ( foreign and domestic)Muslims would solve the terror problem. Would it not?

 

[poorboy]

Turns out I was right: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-s-devastating-arsenal-weapons-revealed.html

These things need to be made illegal ASAP!!
I believe Ebay and Amazon have already stopped selling them, which is a good start

He did not use an automatic rifle or a machine gun. He used a semi auto equipped with a slide fire stock. Slide fire stocks are 100% legal in the U.S. (illegal in Canada). The trigger was pulled every single time in order for a round to be fired, making the rifle still semi auto. Automatic firearms can fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull. Automatic firearms are legal, but strictly regulated in the U.S.

Just because someone can pull the trigger of a semi auto fast enough to provide a rate of fire almost equal to an automatic does not make it automatic. There's quite a few people out there that can do it too. Look up Gerry Michulek. The article you referenced even states that once you get past the false attention grabbing headline. None of those rifles posted are automatic. Both AR's show only having SAFE and SEMI positions. If the AK was turned around, it would probably show the same thing. To be sold in the U.S. as semi's, they would not be easily convertible.

It's like confusing homicide with murder. They are not the same thing.

Your perception and opinion is he used an automatic, but legally and factually he did not.

 

[Smooth60]

He did not use an automatic rifle or a machine gun. He used a semi auto equipped with a slide fire stock. Slide fire stocks are 100% legal in the U.S. (illegal in Canada). The trigger was pulled every single time in order for a round to be fired, making the rifle still semi auto. Automatic firearms can fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull. Automatic firearms are legal, but strictly regulated in the U.S.

Just because someone can pull the trigger of a semi auto fast enough to provide a rate of fire almost equal to an automatic does not make it automatic. There's quite a few people out there that can do it too. Look up Gerry Michulek.

It's like confusing homicide with murder. They are not the same thing.

I STILL have not seen an OFFICIAL statement made as to the weapons he used or exactly how many. I was watching the news conference last night and the Sheriff said 14 weapons. No other info was stated. Today, I get up and the internet is full of statements from "sources" saying as many as 23 weapons and listing types, and modifications used. Nothing official though. Nothing from ATF, FBI or police in Vegas.
Probably better to wait at this point.

 

[mandrill]

He did not use an automatic rifle or a machine gun. He used a semi auto equipped with a slide fire stock. Slide fire stocks are 100% legal in the U.S. (illegal in Canada). The trigger was pulled every single time in order for a round to be fired, making the rifle still semi auto. Automatic firearms can fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull. Automatic firearms are legal, but strictly regulated in the U.S.

Just because someone can pull the trigger of a semi auto fast enough to provide a rate of fire almost equal to an automatic does not make it automatic. There's quite a few people out there that can do it too. Look up Gerry Michulek.

It's like confusing homicide with murder. They are not the same thing.

Sounded like it was on full auto. It had the distinctive "burpppppppp" sound with no breaks that would suggest trigger pulls.

 

[poorboy]

Sounded like it was on full auto. It had the distinctive "burpppppppp" sound with no breaks that would suggest trigger pulls.

It sounds like full auto because he was using a bump stock, which uses the rifle's recoil to allow the shooter to rapidly pull the trigger. The article Phil C. McNasty posted even addresses that once you get past the false attention grabbing headline and read into the article.

I don't think anyone could have prevented this attack. Looking at some of the rifles this guy had, he had money at some point and would probably been classified as a "normal" person. Daniel Defense AR's are $2,300 Cdn. and Colt AR's are over $1,000 each. He would have likely passed all Canadian gun ownership requirements.

 

[Smallcock]

It sounds like full auto because he was using a bump stock, which uses the rifle's recoil to allow the shooter to rapidly pull the trigger. The article Phil C. McNasty posted even addresses that once you get past the false attention grabbing headline and read into the article.

I don't think anyone could have prevented this attack. Looking at some of the rifles this guy had, he had money at some point and would probably been classified as a "normal" person. Daniel Defense AR's are $2,300 Cdn. and Colt AR's are over $1,000 each. He would have likely passed all Canadian gun ownership requirements.

Yup, apparently he was a multi-millionaire.

 

[oldjones]

It sounds like full auto because he was using a bump stock, which uses the rifle's recoil to allow the shooter to rapidly pull the trigger. The article Phil C. McNasty posted even addresses that once you get past the false attention grabbing headline and read into the article.

I don't think anyone could have prevented this attack. Looking at some of the rifles this guy had, he had money at some point and would probably been classified as a "normal" person. Daniel Defense AR's are $2,300 Cdn. and Colt AR's are over $1,000 each. He would have likely passed all Canadian gun ownership requirements.

But Canada doesn't have the 'gotta getta gun' culture that inspires and empowers people who pass for 'normal' to acquire the machinery of mass murder.

 

[cunning linguist]

But Canada doesn't have the 'gotta getta gun' culture that inspires and empowers people who pass for 'normal' to acquire the machinery of mass murder.

So a cultural issue rather than a legislative one, because none of the so-called "reasonable" gun control proposals could have prevented this.

 

[oldjones]

So a cultural issue rather than a legislative one, because none of the so-called "reasonable" gun control proposals could have prevented this.

Which doesn't make the reasonable gun control proposals bad ideas, useless or undesirable. Laws and police don't make people good or stop crime. But they do come in handy when the crimes happen. And just maybe, the fact that we put ourselves to the trouble to have laws and pay for police gets a bit of 'cultural' message across: That we actually care about being Goody Two-Shoes enough that we'll pay to make it unpleasant for the bad guys. So don't be bad.

Can't hurt to try getting a similar 'cultural' message out to the bad gun owners. After all, the recent Washington shooting should be all the wake-up anyone needs that their currently popular myth — armed citizens can stand against repressive legislators — had some big holes. Even before the shooting started.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Supposedly he filmed the whole thing. What a sick fuck!!

http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-gunman-filmed-himself-during-slaughter/

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His dad was a real piece of work too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hoskins_Paddock

 

[Smooth60]

The pictures from inside the room.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

Check pictures #1 and #3 and the orientation of the pattern of the carpet and compare to floorplan of the room.
Is the difference just how zoomed in one piture is or the placement of the camera? Does it look off to anyone else? Why aren't there more of them as well? And none of the shooter with his brains splashed all over the wall?