I don't think we should do it guys. It's not fair to punish regular Russian folks with trade restrictions and other economic penalties for shit they didn't do. That's just cruel and assholistic jackassery
What good does sanctioning Russia do?
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1) It reinforces the idea that the United States is the Enemy 2) That the United States is irrational and untrustworthy 3) it does little to make Russia want to change
On the other side of the coin
4) it makes many in Congress feel good -- we showed those damn Ruskies 5) it doubly makes Democrats feel good since it feeds into the story-line that HRC only lost the election because the Russians made her loose the election.
On the other side of the coin
4) it makes many in Congress feel good -- we showed those damn Ruskies 5) it doubly makes Democrats feel good since it feeds into the story-line that HRC only lost the election because the Russians made her loose the election.
Without knowing specific details of what these sanctions actually involve, look at it this way. The Russians are whining about and trying to get rid of the sanctions very hard, even via using Trump. It is an obvious and undeniable conclusion that the sanctions must be hurting Russia. Most likely, economically. Most likely, any further sanctions will hurt them even more and with an already struggling economy.
Without looking it up a bit, as I recall/understand it, the most recent sanctions involving annexing Crimea are directed at specific Russian oligarchs.
Okay, you're right. The Russians can hack your elections and make a mockery out of your democracy any time they want and you Americans don't have the backbone and the balls to stand up to them.... because "it reinforces the idea that the United States is the Enemy." Which of course the Russians wouldn't ever, ever, ever have anyway, would they?
The Russians think you're the friggin' enemy anyway because Putin's propaganda service tells them that the US stole Alaska from them and a score of other nonsensical crap fairytales designed to crank up their hate of the USA to monster levels. What this Congress does or doesn't do means shit to Russia when you get your news and views from LifeNews Russia.
If Americans felt the way you did in 1775, they'd still be lining up at Buckingham Palace to be given ding-dongs and medallions by HM.
find and punish the russian hackers. don't sanction the russian dad who would have less food for his kids
i'm not sure how to punish the russian government or the hackers. but is targetting the russian economy, that affects all russians including poor natalya and her babushka, the right solution? i think not.
Either nuclear winter or slow death by climate change, take your pick.
The sanctions are specifically aimed at Putin's power base. the oligarchs. They've maintained the age old tradition of looting the country. When Trump lifts the sanctions, which is what the meetings with Russians were all about, Putin can rule like a Czar. He has two priorities to get to that level, lift sanctions and insure that Britain crashes out of the EU. Then he has the added bonus of London as his personal satrap.
...any Chelsea fans...speak up.
The sanctions are specifically aimed at Putin's power base. the oligarchs. They've maintained the age old tradition of looting the country. When Trump lifts the sanctions, which is what the meetings with Russians were all about, Putin can rule like a Czar. He has two priorities to get to that level, lift sanctions and insure that Britain crashes out of the EU. Then he has the added bonus of London as his personal satrap.
...any Chelsea fans...speak up.
It seems to me that some guys have not left the cold war era. I find it interesting that many of them are vehemently against demonizing a whole race or religion because of a few bad apples, but are quick to sentence all Russians to punishment because their ruling class has fucked them over for centuries.
What else is the "globalists" are now suddenly willing to risk trade issues with the EU. Numerous European companies would be affected by new sanctions. And they could retaliate. Europe is not going to side with the USA. Not when there gas supplies are on the line.
Going to be interesting to watch this. Trump may well sign the bill. And poof go the collusion arguments.
Going to be interesting to watch this. Trump may well sign the bill. And poof go the collusion arguments.
Actually they won't. Mostly they restrict certain people and companies and freeze assets.
But how it might affect trade relations with Europe is another matter.
The core is he will drop the sanctions. That's where the argument for collusion lies. If he signs for more sanctions when he is supposedly beholden or in some camps being blackmailed it pretty much blows the whole motive out the door.
Damned if does or if he doesn't.
Not signing further reinforces in everyone's mind, except the diehards, that he is basically a traitor who will be impeached at best.
Signing further reinforces Putin's dawning realization that he struck a quid pro quo agreement with an incompetent mutt and thus the slow torturous releasing of 'piss videos' and impeachable information.
What's the political calculation that Trump and his are now weighing?
BTW - Do you still think Tory's $4billion+ 1 stop Scarborough subway expansion that taxpayers will subsidize each new rider to the tune of $2million represents good value?
Also, do you think his $1billion+ of his 1/3 of a SmartTrack that will siphon riders from his $4billion+ 1 stop Scarborough expansion represents good value?
Sanctions explained
https://www.google.com/amp/foxtrota...tions-against-russia-explained-1791938454/amp
"...target the energy sector, which makes up over half of Russia's GDP"
More sanctions will cause more young Russians to go into prostitution, which would be beneficial to johns like me. But I'm a good person and prefer they not be sanctioned.
https://www.google.com/amp/foxtrota...tions-against-russia-explained-1791938454/amp
"...target the energy sector, which makes up over half of Russia's GDP"
More sanctions will cause more young Russians to go into prostitution, which would be beneficial to johns like me. But I'm a good person and prefer they not be sanctioned.
History first, as you know, a third of those in the lower 13 British Atlantic Colonies did feel that way, and two-thirds did not actively support the "patriot cause." Indeed Canada is in large measure the country it is today, rather than an occupied Nouvelle-France and Acadia due to that first third.
As to the politics of it all, what sort of sanctions might actually have an effect? Certainly shutting off Russian access to the Internet would have a profound impact, but that certainly flies in the face of American and indeed Western values, further it would have far greater harm for average Russians than it would for the Russian Government. The U.S. could impose an absolute ban on U.S. firms doing business in Russia, however, without the agreement of every other technologically advanced state that would harm Americans every bit as much if not more than it would Russia.
Preventing Russian Diplomats from going to the beach or going waterfowling is merely annoying and likely to lead to reciprocal actions. Need it even be mentioned that Russian Diplomats in Canada can continue to visit cottages owned by Russia and Canadian Diplomats can escape to a Dacha.
There are two or perhaps three worlds in Russia, the cities particularly Saint-Petersburg and Moscow, and rural areas, particularly rural areas outside the wheat belt. It is in the rural areas that are not major agricultural producers that the deep poverty is found in Russia.
