Woman outraged after spotting confederate flag at Scarborough community festival
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That car had the flag on it in 2 places, and it wasn't in a car museum which has a selective audience.
Both that car and a flag, is in view of a general audience or the public at large, which is not projecting to a selective, discriminating audience. Therefore, someone can be offended.
Hey, I think Che was an extraordinary person, so much so that they HAD to kill him because he would otherwise inspire many more comrades had he lived.
I have 2 t-shirts and a Cuban commie beret (souvenirs from my trips to Havana). My friend got me as a gift (lol), Che's seminal book Guerilla Warfare.
I don't think he was incompetent, just outnumbered and outmatched. The CIA were also involved in his execution.
Did Che target innocent civilians? I don't think so. I wouldn't classify him as a terrorist, per se.
I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed "an innocent". Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere.
— Jon Lee Anderson, author of Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life, PBS forum
I'm no Communist that's for sure but,
Viva Le Revolucion!
So for the rebel or nazi symbols, it's ok to show them in movies, books/magazines, art, any tv show showing old footage, and museums. But a guy drives a Dukes of Hazzard car with zero intent on insulting people is a no-no.
Doesn't compute.
I never said pop movies but I clearly see a difference between education about the hatred behind those symbols and ignorantly driving around with one of those symbols.
The majority of media showing rebel or nazi symbols aren't doing it to educate people about the sins of being a hateful group. The only thing the media really focuses on is a bunch of mean guys in dark trenchcoats torturing people at concentration camps. And Hitler screaming at people.
And that's probably 99% of the focus when it comes to nazis. Now if it was all about educating, then museums, tv shows and books would give more in depth info about why some people were nazis, while most other soldiers and citizens were normal people forced into a war. Or let's say why nazis even chose the swastika, when it was already a symbol in use by other cultures. I bet 99.9% of people don't know why they chose it. The most basic symbol of nazism and hardly anyone knows the origins of it and why nazis used it.
They are showing the media as entertainment. No different than the guy driving around in his Dukes car.
It's like nature shows showing lions and hyenas fighting each other at first sight. There is zero educational material, but people watch since they like to see blood and fighting.
As someone said before, the context in which a symbol is displayed is significant in determining whether it is improper or not in that situation.
I am sure John Tory saw the car there and thought it was cool but thought nothing of it, like the majority of people there. His typical statements afterwards were predictable. He was probably a very big fan of the Dukes of Hazzard too.
And education is about knowing there's a difference between the swastica of the Nazi party and the religious symbol.
Oh, please! The history has passed its judgement on the likes of Che and the ideology they served. Some people just never learn.
Your problem is that we live in a dumbed down society with dumbed down messages. Nazism passed into the realm of "Bad, bad, bad", 80 years ago. Pretty much deservedly.
But discussion of the more nuanced aspects of why the Germans chose Nazism have been buried. 99.9999999% of the people today are not interested. And outside Modern German History 303, no one is prepared to discuss the topic.
Good point. A person's POV is not always based on an in depth examination of history. So while there might be a good explanation for why the confederate flag or Nazi party is wrongly perceived we still have to acknowledge that some people find it offensive.
I at not point said the woman was wrong to feel the way she did. But I personally am not offended because of the context. And I can understand why there are people who would feel offended.
If our members who are big fans of Che and supported Castro and his revolution, perhaps they could explain why 60 years after the revolution, the Cuban people continue to live in poverty, and are persecuted if they advocate for a more liberal society with real democratic elections. Not to mention the number of Cubans who have fled this socialist paradise. After all this time, it's clear to anyone with a critical mind that the revolution replaced one dictator with another and the people are no better off than they were in 1959...
Primarily, but I would broaden it to CSA veterans who died after the war.
Little known is that many American Civil War veterans died twenty, thirty, even forty years later directly due to wounds received during the war, many of them having suffered constant pain all those years.
Just one such is the famous Union Army General Joshua L. Chamberlain who died in 1914 as the direct result of his Civil War wounds.
They replaced one dictator with a less able dictator and far more brutal. And they toasted him and heaped praises on his works, until he failed. So, they said "it was not socialism, after all". Next time, maybe. We have a front row seats to this, again, in Venezuela.
Is that not exposing the hatred?
And showing an hateful regime for what they are (even if it's for financial gain) is a heck of a lot different from driving around (ignorantly?) celebrating the use of a symbol associated with hate.
