Are Conspiracy Theories more widely popular than they used to be?

[fuji]

Conspiracy theories represent rot in the nation. They result in less social cohesion, poorer decision making, and lack of confidence in the government and the system.

At their heart they are always about mistrust.

They are the result is a combination of things. First, the national discourse that drives democracy is breaking down. We used to have conversations that we structured by the limits of the media. Limited airtime meant that debates had to be focused around unifying themes, and in turn this unified people.

Now the internet has removed those limits and an infinite variety of opinions get airtime, some of them extremely kooky, some outright hostile towards our own selves. This has fundamentally made us less unified.

Second this process is augmented by the who are hostile to our way of life. Foreign dictators, Islamists, and others ideologically opposed to Western democracy and capitalism plant fake news and foment dissent.

All this weakens us. It's actually weakening our democracy itself: more people today would accept and support a non democratic transfer of power, and lack of focus in debates would enable an elected leader to seize additional power unconditionally while cowing the legislatures and the people to accept it.

Caeser ended the Roman Republic by declaring additional powers for himself and ignoring objections by the Senate. That can happen, and in a world where no one trusts the system that can easily happen.

 

[Conway_Stewart]

Conspiracy theories represent rot in the nation. They result in less social cohesion, poorer decision making, and lack of confidence in the government and the system.

At their heart they are always about mistrust.

They are the result is a combination of things. First, the national discourse that drives democracy is breaking down. We used to have conversations that we structured by the limits of the media. Limited airtime meant that debates had to be focused around unifying themes, and in turn this unified people.

Now the internet has removed those limits and an infinite variety of opinions get airtime, some of them extremely kooky, some outright hostile towards our own selves. This has fundamentally made us less unified.

Second this process is augmented by the who are hostile to our way of life. Foreign dictators, Islamists, and others ideologically opposed to Western democracy and capitalism plant fake news and foment dissent.

All this weakens us. It's actually weakening our democracy itself: more people today would accept and support a non democratic transfer of power, and lack of focus in debates would enable an elected leader to seize additional power unconditionally while cowing the legislatures and the people to accept it.

Caeser ended the Roman Republic by declaring additional powers for himself and ignoring objections by the Senate. That can happen, and in a world where no one trusts the system that can easily happen.

+1000000

I agree with everything fugi just said!!!

 

[Conway_Stewart]

I think this is an interesting article from Time Magazine:


http://time.com/3997033/conspiracy-theories/

...

According to a pair of new studies published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology, conspiracy theorists—and there are a lot more of them than you may think—tend to have one thing in common: they feel a lack of control over their lives.

...

Conspiracy theories often crop up during times of uncertainty and fear: after terrorist strikes, financial crises, high-profile deaths and natural disasters. Past research suggests that if people feel they don’t have control over a situation, they’ll try to make sense of it and find out what happened. “The sense-making leads them to connect dots that aren’t necessarily connected in reality,” van Prooijen says.

 

[**Sophie**]

And then of course some conspiracy theories have actually been proven to not be a conspiracy afterall; ie: Edward Snowden and the NSA leak. They actually were spying, proving it wasn't just a figment of people's imaginations lol.

 

[Conway_Stewart]

And then of course some conspiracy theories have actually been proven to not be a conspiracy afterall; ie: Edward Snowden and the NSA leak. They actually were spying, proving it wasn't just a figment of people's imaginations lol.

Very true. I don't recall a specific "conspiracy theory" around spying and emails per se...but I think the Snowden thing validated many peoples' fears around their online privacy.

 

[GPIDEAL]

There are no criminal code laws against conspiracy. There are laws against some activities that circumvent some regulated codes of behaviour. What you define as conspiracy, most people define as planning. Group planning is not illegal. Corporate insiders agreeing to withhold announcement of a business action until they've sold their shares is illegal. It's not the conspiring that is illegal, it's the act of withholding information on the planned business action.

Yes people can conspire, but it's impossible to pull it off, today, as I said. Not in 1962.

I suppose you should be happy you've never had to do anything complicated in your life.

It's apparent that YOU don't do anything complicated in your life.

The very definition of the word 'conspiracy' suggests an illegal act. You don't hear 'tax conspiracy', but 'tax planning'.

One definition:

Conspiracy
An agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal. Most U.S. jurisdictions also require an overt act toward furthering the agreement. An overt act is a statutory requirement, not a constitutional one. See Whitfield v. United States, 453 U.S. 209 (2005). The illegal act is the conspiracy's "target offense."

Conspiracy generally carries a penalty on its own. In addition, conspiracies allow for derivative liability where conspirators can also be punished for the illegal acts carried out by other members, even if they were not directly involved. Thus, where one or more members of the conspiracy committed illegal acts to further the conspiracy's goals, all members of the conspiracy may be held accountable for those acts.

Where no one has actually committed a criminal act, the punishment varies. Some conspiracy statutes assign the same punishment for conspiracy as for the target offense. Others impose lesser penalties.

Conspiracy applies to both civil and criminal offenses. For example, you may conspire to commit murder, or conspire to commit fraud.


Here's another:

Duhaime's Law Dictionary

Conspiracy Definition:
An agreement between two or more persons to commit a criminal act.


From the Criminal Code of Canada:

Conspiracy

465 (1) Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of conspiracy:

(a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;

(b) every one who conspires with any one to prosecute a person for an alleged offence, knowing that he did not commit that offence, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable

(i) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to be sentenced to imprisonment for life or for a term not exceeding fourteen years, or

(ii) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to imprisonment for less than fourteen years;

(c) every one who conspires with any one to commit an indictable offence not provided for in paragraph (a) or (b) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment as that to which an accused who is guilty of that offence would, on conviction, be liable; and

(d) every one who conspires with any one to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

(2) [Repealed, 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 61]

Marginal note:Conspiracy to commit offences

(3) Every one who, while in Canada, conspires with any one to do anything referred to in subsection (1) in a place outside Canada that is an offence under the laws of that place shall be deemed to have conspired to do that thing in Canada.

Marginal note:Idem

(4) Every one who, while in a place outside Canada, conspires with any one to do anything referred to in subsection (1) in Canada shall be deemed to have conspired in Canada to do that thing.

Marginal note:Jurisdiction

(5) Where a person is alleged to have conspired to do anything that is an offence by virtue of subsection (3) or (4), proceedings in respect of that offence may, whether or not that person is in Canada, be commenced in any territorial division in Canada, and the accused may be tried and punished in respect of that offence in the same manner as if the offence had been committed in that territorial division.

Marginal note:Appearance of accused at trial

(6) For greater certainty, the provisions of this Act relating to

(a) requirements that an accused appear at and be present during proceedings, and

(b) the exceptions to those requirements,

apply to proceedings commenced in any territorial division pursuant to subsection (5).

Marginal note:Where previously tried outside Canada

(7) Where a person is alleged to have conspired to do anything that is an offence by virtue of subsection (3) or (4) and that person has been tried and dealt with outside Canada in respect of the offence in such a manner that, if the person had been tried and dealt with in Canada, he would be able to plead autrefois acquit, autrefois convict or pardon, the person shall be deemed to have been so tried and dealt with in Canada.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 465; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 61; 1998, c. 35, s. 121.
Marginal note:Conspiracy in restraint of trade

466 (1) A conspiracy in restraint of trade is an agreement between two or more persons to do or to procure to be done any unlawful act in restraint of trade.

 

[Brill]

All these people connected with the Kennedy assassination died while George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA.
Seems he was a busy guy. hone:

1976 Ralph Paul, Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack
6/76 William Harvey, CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery
7/76 John Roselli, Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum
1/77 William Pawley, Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide
3/77 George DeMohrenschildt, Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras, Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Paul Raigorodsky, Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes
5/77 Lou Staples, Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head, ruled suicide
6/77 Louis Nichols, Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack
8/77 Alan Belmont, FBI official who testified to Warren Commission "Long illness"
8/77 James Cadigan, FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home
8/77 Joseph C. Ayres, Chief steward on JFK's Air Force One Shooting accident
8/77 Francis G. Powers, U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel)
9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell, JFK's closest aide Natural causes
10/77 Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack
10/77 J.M. English, Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack

 

[Gntlmn1]

The ability of conspiracy theorists to infect the minds of similar weak minded individuals has been enhanced by the growth of social media. I would like to think that our race continues to evolve in a direction that reduces the number of individuals that are inclined to start or believe stories that have no basis in fact.

 

[GPIDEAL]

And you reinforce my point.

A Conspiracy theory is a pre-existing belief, not a conclusion based on evidence. They do not examine the evidence and see where it leads them but rather sort through the evidence, rejecting everything that does not fit their faith. They don't look at evidence to support their faith but simply try to find ways to discredit the rational result of the evidence.

From a scientific view, they try to pretend that any missing information is somehow proof of their unsupported claims; for example saying that if they don't know how the pyramids were built then it must have been aliens (even if other people know how).

I'm countering your point, not reinforcing it because I said that a conspiracy theory can be an alternate explanation for an event, that is based on evidence, which discredits or is superior to facts supporting an official explanation.

My best example for my point is the JFK Assassination.

The official version from the Warren Commission Report of 1964 was a theory. It was not based on a criminal trial but on dubious evidence without regard for the rules of evidence or the reasonable doubt burden.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, on the other hand, concluded that JFK was murdered as a result of a probable conspiracy based mostly on acoustical evidence. (One can argue with other evidence today from greater declassified files).

I agree with you that there are conspiracy theories or theorists that conclude conspiracy when the evidence doesn't justify it, but I take exception with the JFK Assassination.

As an aside, Vincent Bugliosi, the star prosecutor in the Charles Manson murder case, and the author of Reclaiming History (a later book that purports that Oswald was the lone nut who killed JFK), put Manson behind bars based on the laws against conspiracies, even though he didn't physically kill anyone. Even more ironic is that when he was running for AG of Los Angeles, he wanted to re-open the Robert F. Kennedy murder case, because he felt it to be a conspiracy and had these words to say how he would establish his case (my emphasis in bold added):

VB: "I think the court can take judicial notice that the whole tone, the whole tenor
in this country at this particular moment is that there is a tremendous
distrust, there is a tremendous suspicion, there is a tremendous skepticism
about whether or not people like Oswald and Sirhan acted alone, and many, many
people, many substantial people - I am not talking about conspiracy buffs who
see a conspiracy behind every tree - many, many substantial people feel that
Sirhan did not act alone, that he did act in concert." ...

VB asserted that it was not necessary to present "a tape recorded conversation
between Owen and Sirhan in which Owen is saying, 'I want you to bump off Kennedy
for me.' Conspiracies are proven bit by bit, speck by speck, brick by brick,
until all of a sudden you have a mosaic. They are proven by circumstantial
evidence. Conspiracies are conceived in shadowy recesses. They are not hatched
on television in front of 5,000,000 witnesses." pg 304

All references are from "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - The Conspiracy
and Coverup" by William Turner & Jonn Christian, paperback edition 2006.

 

[mandrill]

All these people connected with the Kennedy assassination died while George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA.
Seems he was a busy guy. hone:

1976 Ralph Paul, Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack
6/76 William Harvey, CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery
7/76 John Roselli, Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum
1/77 William Pawley, Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide
3/77 George DeMohrenschildt, Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras, Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Paul Raigorodsky, Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes
5/77 Lou Staples, Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head, ruled suicide
6/77 Louis Nichols, Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack
8/77 Alan Belmont, FBI official who testified to Warren Commission "Long illness"
8/77 James Cadigan, FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home
8/77 Joseph C. Ayres, Chief steward on JFK's Air Force One Shooting accident
8/77 Francis G. Powers, U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel)
9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell, JFK's closest aide Natural causes
10/77 Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack
10/77 J.M. English, Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack

For guys who had information to share that would bring down society as we know it, it sure took them a long time to be covertly murdered - 13 or 14 years??!!

 

[GPIDEAL]

Conspiracy theories represent rot in the nation. They result in less social cohesion, poorer decision making, and lack of confidence in the government and the system.

At their heart they are always about mistrust.

They are the result is a combination of things. First, the national discourse that drives democracy is breaking down. We used to have conversations that we structured by the limits of the media. Limited airtime meant that debates had to be focused around unifying themes, and in turn this unified people.

Now the internet has removed those limits and an infinite variety of opinions get airtime, some of them extremely kooky, some outright hostile towards our own selves. This has fundamentally made us less unified.

Second this process is augmented by the who are hostile to our way of life. Foreign dictators, Islamists, and others ideologically opposed to Western democracy and capitalism plant fake news and foment dissent.

All this weakens us. It's actually weakening our democracy itself: more people today would accept and support a non democratic transfer of power, and lack of focus in debates would enable an elected leader to seize additional power unconditionally while cowing the legislatures and the people to accept it.

Caeser ended the Roman Republic by declaring additional powers for himself and ignoring objections by the Senate. That can happen, and in a world where no one trusts the system that can easily happen.

I agree with what you are saying Fuji, however, the internet has also empowered those that can spread useful information too, which in turn can ameliorate democracy.

Investigative journalists that have their own websites which are a relief from MSM sources, include David Talbot, Russ Baker and Jefferson Morley.

This JFK Assassination site (which is very well done and factual), has an interesting page on the discussion of conspiracy theories. It doesn't out right dismiss them all as the musings of kooks, although it does reject the 9/11 Demolition Conspiracy and some zany JFK assassination theories (although some not entirely dismissed in my learned opinion).

http://22november1963.org.uk/what-is-a-conspiracy-theory

BTW, Julius Caesar was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

 

[Jubee]

Yes, as freedom flowed more and more because of the internet, governments ironically wanted to start controlling it more and more as well as wanting and having the capabilities of spying on us.


Ironic?

 

[SchlongConery]

There are no criminal code laws against conspiracy.

I suppose you should be happy you've never had to do anything complicated in your life.

LOL!!!

I suppose you should be happy that you aren't a criminal lawyer nor have anything to do with law.

Have a read of the simple text of Section 465 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Conspiring (or "planning" as you simply refer to it) to commit an illegal act is a criminal act in and of itself.

[h=6]Conspiracy[/h]

• 465 (1) Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of conspiracy:
  
  • (a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;
    
  • (b) every one who conspires with any one to prosecute a person for an alleged offence, knowing that he did not commit that offence, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
    
    • (i) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to be sentenced to imprisonment for life or for a term not exceeding fourteen years, or
      
    • (ii) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to imprisonment for less than fourteen years;
  • (c) every one who conspires with any one to commit an indictable offence not provided for in paragraph (a) or (b) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment as that to which an accused who is guilty of that offence would, on conviction, be liable; and
    
  • (d) every one who conspires with any one to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
• (2) [Repealed, 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 61]
  
• [h=6]Marginal note:Conspiracy to commit offences[/h](3) Every one who, while in Canada, conspires with any one to do anything referred to in subsection (1) in a place outside Canada that is an offence under the laws of that place shall be deemed to have conspired to do that thing in Canada.
  
• [h=6]Marginal note:Idem[/h](4) Every one who, while in a place outside Canada, conspires with any one to do anything referred to in subsection (1) in Canada shall be deemed to have conspired in Canada to do that thing.

There are laws against some activities that circumvent some regulated codes of behaviour. What you define as conspiracy, most people define as planning. Group planning is not illegal. Corporate insiders agreeing to withhold announcement of a business action until they've sold their shares is illegal. It's not the conspiring that is illegal, it's the act of withholding information on the planned business action.

Again...lol!

The "witholding" or delaying of information is not illegal in the example you use. It is the trading of the shares using insider information (perhaps in your complex business dealings you might have heard of the term "insider trading"? ) AND the offence is compounded and becomes criminal if a conspiracy to carry out insider trading can be proven.

Yes people can conspire, but it's impossible to pull it off, today, as I said. Not in 1962.

Impossible? LMAO!

People plan, execute and get away with criminal conspiracies every minute of every day of every year.

I suppose you should be happy you've never had to do anything complicated in your life.

And I suppose you are happy to sound off and beat up on GPIdeal like you know what you are talking about, when in fact, you are factually wrong as I have just proven.


However, I do agree that most of these conspiracy theorists anti-vaxxers, flat earth people etc are crackpots.

 

[Jubee]

All these people connected with the Kennedy assassination died while George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA.
Seems he was a busy guy. hone:

1976 Ralph Paul, Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack
6/76 William Harvey, CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery
7/76 John Roselli, Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum
1/77 William Pawley, Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide
3/77 George DeMohrenschildt, Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras, Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Paul Raigorodsky, Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes
5/77 Lou Staples, Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head, ruled suicide
6/77 Louis Nichols, Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack
8/77 Alan Belmont, FBI official who testified to Warren Commission "Long illness"
8/77 James Cadigan, FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home
8/77 Joseph C. Ayres, Chief steward on JFK's Air Force One Shooting accident
8/77 Francis G. Powers, U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel)
9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell, JFK's closest aide Natural causes
10/77 Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack
10/77 J.M. English, Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack

That's just irony.:crazy: layball:

 

[GPIDEAL]

All these people connected with the Kennedy assassination died while George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA.
Seems he was a busy guy. hone:

1976 Ralph Paul, Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack
6/76 William Harvey, CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery
7/76 John Roselli, Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum
1/77 William Pawley, Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide
3/77 George DeMohrenschildt, Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy's parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras, Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Paul Raigorodsky, Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes
5/77 Lou Staples, Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head, ruled suicide
6/77 Louis Nichols, Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack
8/77 Alan Belmont, FBI official who testified to Warren Commission "Long illness"
8/77 James Cadigan, FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home
8/77 Joseph C. Ayres, Chief steward on JFK's Air Force One Shooting accident
8/77 Francis G. Powers, U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel)
9/77 Kenneth O'Donnell, JFK's closest aide Natural causes
10/77 Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack
10/77 J.M. English, Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack

I've studied the JFK assassination since the 80s.

I'm aware of the so-called suspicious deaths, many more of which are not included above and which took place shortly after the JFK Assassination, but I've highlighted only a few of yours that I'm aware of that are truly suspicious above, namely:

George DeMohrenschildt - he was about to testify to the House Select Committee on Assassinations but committed suicide with a shotgun blow to his head. He was a 'White Russian' that befriended Oswald. Why would a suspected Communist be hanging around an oil engineer like George who was linked to the CIA?

http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/10/14/bush-and-the-jfk-hit-part-5-the-mysterious-mr-de-mohrenschildt/

Johnny Roselli - Senior Crime Boss and hit man. This guy knew too much. Worked with the CIA to get rid of Castro. When asked to return to Senator Frank Church's Senate Intelligence Investigation Committee, he later was found chopped and stuffed in a drum. John Simkin has a well-researched article here on Johnny Roselli.

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKroselli.htm


Not mentioned above, since he was murdered before Poppy Bush became CIA director, is Sam Giancana, head of the Chicago Mob. He was killed just before he was to appear before Frank Church's committee.

Giancana shared the same mistress as JFK, Judith Campbell (later Exner), who acted as a courier between the two supposedly with material about the plot to assassinate Fidel. => http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKgiancana.htm

Pictures of the murder scene. "Momo" as he was called, was shot 6 times around his mouth - a message to others to STFU. http://www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com/sam-giancana-death/


P.S. I've started reading a book entitled Hit List which covers other suspicious deaths and possibly some of the ones you've listed above. There are some very interesting ones, like Dorothy Kilgallen and Mary Cord Meyer (separate books on those deaths alone).

 

[GPIDEAL]

The ability of conspiracy theorists to infect the minds of similar weak minded individuals has been enhanced by the growth of social media. I would like to think that our race continues to evolve in a direction that reduces the number of individuals that are inclined to start or believe stories that have no basis in fact.

Critical thinking is important and seems lacking, however, I can also point out disinformation sites too. The CIA had been involved in undermining criticism of the Warren Commission Report through their various contacts in the media, etc., as revealed in their Document 1035-960 back in 1967, which was revealed in a FOIA request by the New York Times in 1976. Excerpts here with my emphasis in bold:

3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active, however, addressees are requested:

a. To discuss the publicity problem with liaison and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.

b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (I) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher [?] article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.)

Here is the actual declassified document in its original form with THE VERY FIRST USE OF THE TERM CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS in paragraph 2., page 1 => http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=53510#relPageId=2

Incidentally, the CIA say that they gave the Warren Commission information LOL, but in truth, they withheld a LOT, as well as from the second investigation in the 1970s, the HSCA, as confirmed by Chief Counsel Robert Blakely in this interview:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/interviews/blakey.html#addendum <= This is fucking incredible (1st time I'm reading the whole interview but the addendum is priceless)

 

[GPIDEAL]

For guys who had information to share that would bring down society as we know it, it sure took them a long time to be covertly murdered - 13 or 14 years??!!

I don't know about all those people being murdered, however, if you're going to kill people who were in the know, in order to ensure that a secret is maintained forever, you're not going to do it en masse because it would be too too obvious, so they spread it out over a few year, as the need dictates. Again, I doubt that's the case here. (What the fuck do I know? Lol)

 

[Brill]

For guys who had information to share that would bring down society as we know it, it sure took them a long time to be covertly murdered - 13 or 14 years??!!

It took that long for George Bush Sr. to get the power to covertly murder.

 

[mandrill]

It took that long for George Bush Sr. to get the power to covertly murder.

If you're going to covertly murder dudes, you don't wait until you're president to do it.

The Bush's have more than enough connections and power in TX to off people whenever they want.

 

[basketcase]

I'm countering your point, not reinforcing it because I said that a conspiracy theory can be an alternate explanation for an event, that is based on evidence, which discredits or is superior to facts supporting an official explanation.....

That isn't what a conspiracy theory is though, it is the belief despite the facts.


You might enjoy trying to pick holes in the Warren Commission but all the Kennedy conspiracies are still just fueled by the belief that there was some plot behind it. The conspiracy crowd can't even agree of who the plotters were. Like all conspiracy theories people are trying to use hard to explain ideas to argue for something even less supported by facts.