Are Conspiracy Theories more widely popular than they used to be?

[GPIDEAL]

So you are admitting that the conspiracy theories do not have another well supported theory, just complaints about the accepted one.


BTW. Convictions are overturned if there is evidence of prosecutorial misconduct, an error in implementation of the law, or new evidence that exonerates the convicted. None of those apply to these asinine conspiracy theories.

The Warren Commission's "sine qua non" (as aptly described by forensic pathologist Cyril H. Wecht) was the Single Bullet Theory. Is the conspiracy theory better in the Kennedy Assassination case - yes, by far, based on similar and other evidence!

Note again that Oswald was killed by the conspirators before he could stand trial. S.O.P. for the Outfit. No conviction. No adversarial vetting of evidence. Just a Whitewash Commission.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I met another flat earth believer today. NASA are assholes who are hiding the truth from us, simple people. There was no flights to the space, much less to the Moon.
I couldn't help myself and said "so, hundreds of people were able to keep this secret? I bet you two fucking people wouldn't be able to keep it". He couldn't answer that but attempted to spray me with further propaganda.
Degeneracy is through the fucking roof. These people remind me those who were hurt by women and now are mad at women. These are mad at the world and its order. And internet sure as hell feeds it instead of halting it.

I wonder, how many of them are formally educated and how far did they go? The ones I met had college degree at most.

EB, I know Ph.D engineers who believe in zany conspiracy theories or clever ones (Zany to me is the fake moon landings, clever might be the 9/11 controlled-demolition theory but it doesn't stand muster to me). So there are many educated people that believe the result of an event is from a conspiracy theory.

 

[dirkd101]

Unfortunately, the FBI under Hoover wasn't interested in finding the true killers of JFK or coming down on organized crime as they should have under the Kennedys.

The Kennedy assassination is somewhat unique in this aspect, with regards to conspiracy theories. While I am not one easily swayed by such things and I don't have as much knowledge about this as you GP, I did find it intriguing when I came across it reading a biography on Hoover. The complicity of the FBI in destroying files after this event was astounding. From having knowledge of Oswald and the threat of an assassination attempt to anything to do with what went on. Hoover was a real piece of work and this was a dandy even for him. This sort of thing makes one scratch their head and wonder.

 

[desert monk]

EB, I know Ph.D engineers who believe in zany conspiracy theories or clever ones (Zany to me is the fake moon landings, clever might be the 9/11 controlled-demolition theory but it doesn't stand muster to me). So there are many educated people that believe the result of an event is from a conspiracy theory.

Noam Chomsky believes in several zany political conspiracies and he teaches at MIT, so I would say if anything formal education makes people more susceptible to believing bizzare and ridiculous theories.

 

[dirkd101]

EB, I know Ph.D engineers who believe in zany conspiracy theories or clever ones (Zany to me is the fake moon landings, clever might be the 9/11 controlled-demolition theory but it doesn't stand muster to me). So there are many educated people that believe the result of an event is from a conspiracy theory.

I don't think education is a good measure here. They just have the capacity to formulate alternative theories and can be more dismissive of reason than the average person because of their education.

 

[eternalbachelor]

Yeah I suppose an expression "educated beyond their intelligence" may be applicable here.

What theories Chomsky believes in?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Noam Chomsky believes in several zany political conspiracies and he teaches at MIT, so I would say if anything formal education makes people more susceptible to believing bizzare and ridiculous theories.

Noam Chomsky dispels the Kennedy Mystique and worse, doesn't think there was a murder conspiracy.

He wrote a book titled Rethinking Camelot. The main premise is that he thinks Kennedy would've continued with Viet Nam. This is in contrast to serious researchers, historians and experts on Viet Nam (like John Newman). I've seen documents myself and disagree with Chomsky. I believe JFK would've pulled out of Viet Nam had he been elected to a 2nd term. But that can be the discussion of an entire thread.

BTW, I didn't know that Chomsky believed in some zany conspiracy theories.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I don't think education is a good measure here. They just have the capacity to formulate alternative theories and can be more dismissive of reason than the average person because of their education.

Yeah I suppose an expression "educated beyond their intelligence" may be applicable here.

What theories Chomsky believes in?

I include both educated and professional persons. They may be experts and big successes in their fields. This doesn't mean they are always right though. Healthy skepticism is okay. Critical thinking is important. But sometimes, overzealous mistrust leads to irrational conclusions or speculation.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The Kennedy assassination is somewhat unique in this aspect, with regards to conspiracy theories. While I am not one easily swayed by such things and I don't have as much knowledge about this as you GP, I did find it intriguing when I came across it reading a biography on Hoover. The complicity of the FBI in destroying files after this event was astounding. From having knowledge of Oswald and the threat of an assassination attempt to anything to do with what went on. Hoover was a real piece of work and this was a dandy even for him. This sort of thing makes one scratch their head and wonder.

LBJ lived across the street from Hoover. Even LBJ didn't believe it was a lone nut as admitted in an interview years later.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/lbj-oswald-wasnt-alone/309486/

The talk turned to President Kennedy, and [Lyndon B.] Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. “I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger.” Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that “we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean.” A year or so before Kennedy’s death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn’t prove it.

I think LBJ knew more than he would admit to. The 'retaliation' bit is a good excuse to cover up the conspiracy (there are other declassified files that LBJ was worried that if it led to Castro or the Soviets, that 60 million Americans would die in an nuclear exchange).

I will post another declassified file with regards to Hoover that is astounding.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The Kennedy assassination is somewhat unique in this aspect, with regards to conspiracy theories. While I am not one easily swayed by such things and I don't have as much knowledge about this as you GP, I did find it intriguing when I came across it reading a biography on Hoover. The complicity of the FBI in destroying files after this event was astounding. From having knowledge of Oswald and the threat of an assassination attempt to anything to do with what went on. Hoover was a real piece of work and this was a dandy even for him. This sort of thing makes one scratch their head and wonder.

Read down* to the heading about Hoover warning about an Oswald imposter and check out linked memo from 1960 (3 years before the assassination). => https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter1.html

This memo was overlooked by the Warren Commission, but must have kept Hoover awake at night.

That propaganda operation will eventually take us to Mexico City just two months before the assassination, where Oswald was impersonated when he tried once again to get an instant visa – this time, to go to Cuba as well as the Soviet Union.



*When you have time later, read the beginning part of this article by investigative lawyer Bill Simpich. He claims the FBI and CIA were blackmailed.

 

[basketcase]

Still waiting for some evidence good enough to indict someone other than Oswald.

 

[wigglee]

It is especially bad now that Trump has discredited all mainstream media as fake , and his minions believe only the fringe bullshit sites, which flourish on the net because anything goes on the wild wild web. Besides the racists, Islamaphobes and people with a Soros fetish, there is media manipulation as a form of foreign policy ( like Putin appears to have done).

 

[mellowjello]

Still waiting for some evidence good enough to indict someone other than Oswald.

So, does this post mean you still stand by this comment you made a few posts back?

And yes, if you want to discuss this in a legal case context, in order to have the previous conviction (Warren) overturned, you need to provide evidence substantial enough to convict other people.

 

[basketcase]

So, does this post mean you still stand by this comment you made a few posts back?

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Yes.

 

[mellowjello]

????

Yes.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You just talk shit.

 

[basketcase]

You have no idea what you're talking about. You just talk shit.

And I'll do so until someone provides compelling evidence that someone other than Oswald was the killer.

 

[mellowjello]

And I'll do so until someone provides compelling evidence that someone other than Oswald was the killer.

Ok tough guy.....

 

[basketcase]

Ok tough guy.....

I'll wait patiently. I'm sure you must have something to back up all your bluster.

 

[mellowjello]

I'll wait patiently. I'm sure you must have something to back up all your bluster.

Oh yea?
What bluster is that, tough guy?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Still waiting for some evidence good enough to indict someone other than Oswald.

What about the FBI's own informant who heard Carlos Marcello admitting to having JFK killed? I posted that declassified memo earlier. If alive and healthy, he could've been before a grand jury for his admission alone.

And I'll do so until someone provides compelling evidence that someone other than Oswald was the killer.

If you can afford to take the time to study this case, you'll find that the official version doesn't hold water if not subject to evidence tampering and obstruction of justice. There are many good books such as Barry Kursch IMPOSSIBLE: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald, or James DiEugenio's Reclaiming Parkland and his chapter on Oswald's defense.

Nevertheless, it begs to be repeated. Finding another shooter* is irrelevant to a conclusion that JFK was murdered as a result of a conspiracy due to ample circumstantial evidence that supports the latter. (Read Vincent Bugliosi's quote about Conspiracies and Circumstantial Evidence posted above).

Oswald was not convicted. It was a politically-expedient conclusion by a panel appointed by LBJ who compelled commissioners including the Chief Justice of the US into participating in it.

*Too long a story to explain now, but these are suspects: James Files (still in jail and perhaps untrustworthy), Richard Cain (aka Ricardo Scalzitti), Charles Nicolletti, Lucien Sarti, Roscoe White, Eugene Hale Brading (Jim Braden) suspected of being a radio coordinator or look-out, Herminio Diaz Garcia and David Sanchez Morales. Some of these suspects are weak, others much stronger.

Ask yourself this question too Basketcase.

If Oswald was involved alone, why oh why are there still at least a thousand documents (~ 50,000 pages) sealed in the National Archives on the JFK Assassination?