Are Conspiracy Theories more widely popular than they used to be?

mellowjello

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It is really interesting seeing what gets under people's skin. With you it seems particularly easy to do. Ever wonder what that says about your personality and self perception?
Forget your psychobabble, you're grasping at straws.
I'm waiting for your response.
Do I need to refresh your memory?
 

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For the uninitiated or curious, this was a documentary put out in 1988 but I think it still stands the test of time with respect to doubts about the Warren Commission's conclusion and their Single Bullet Theory. With the SBT, the whole house of cards falls, but THAT to me, isn't the only weak element.

 

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For the uninitiated or curious, this was a documentary put out in 1988 but I think it still stands the test of time with respect to doubts about the Warren Commission's conclusion and their Single Bullet Theory. With the SBT, the whole house of cards falls, but THAT to me, isn't the only weak element....
I watched a doc a while back where they used the same rifle, angles, etc. on a ballistic dummy that very closely replicated the single bullet shot. Showed quite clearly that it was possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5xfTKqf1A
 

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Seems that you've just gone troll.
Making silly remarks is not a substitute for a proper response.
I'm still waiting for your response.
I'm willing to refresh your memory if you've forgotten, otherwise you're just being evasive.
 

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I watched a doc a while back where they used the same rifle, angles, etc. on a ballistic dummy that very closely replicated the single bullet shot. Showed quite clearly that it was possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5xfTKqf1A
Not only do I have this DVD but also the doc, Inside The Target Car. When I saw Beyond the Magic Bullet, I quickly saw how it did not replicate the Magic Bullet or Single Bullet Theory.

If you were familiar with this case Basketcase, it doesn't because (quickly here for now, as I've got to head down to the Leaf game):

- their bullet is actually more deformed than Commission Exhibit 399 (the Magic Bullet), but went through less bone because CE 399 also shattered 4 inches of rib bone longitudinally whereas this bullet did not. Therefore, this in fact PROVES that CE 399 is impossible because it should be more deformed than this test bullet.

- this bullet went through JFK's chest but CE 399 did NOT. The SBT is not just about the condition of the bullet, but the trajectory as well (and that two people were hit by the same shot). If the alleged trajectory doesn't work, then you have no SBT. No SBT means two shooters and a murder conspiracy.

(I know DVP btw - he's a nice guy with great historical pics and videos of JFK but alas, a stubborn lone nutter).
 

mellowjello

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For the uninitiated or curious, this was a documentary put out in 1988 but I think it still stands the test of time with respect to doubts about the Warren Commission's conclusion and their Single Bullet Theory. With the SBT, the whole house of cards falls, but THAT to me, isn't the only weak element.

I still love the "Rush To Judgement" film Mark Lane made.
It's like a time capsule, you get a feel for the people and the times, it's so visceral.
It's amazing to watch the series of events after Oswald was picked up, and how the police handled it.
The dereliction of due process and justice is so egregious, it's truly unbelievable. By the standards we've come to accept, this would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
 

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Making silly remarks is not a substitute for a proper response.
I'm still waiting for your response.
I'm willing to refresh your memory if you've forgotten, otherwise you're just being evasive.
Please do because you've been yammering on for pages.

As far as I recall you were asking something about my statement on overturning convictions which I fully clarified long ago.
 

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Not only do I have this DVD but also the doc, Inside The Target Car. When I saw Beyond the Magic Bullet, I quickly saw how it did not replicate the Magic Bullet or Single Bullet Theory.

If you were familiar with this case Basketcase, it doesn't because (quickly here for now, as I've got to head down to the Leaf game):

- their bullet is actually more deformed than Commission Exhibit 399 (the Magic Bullet), but went through less bone because CE 399 also shattered 4 inches of rib bone longitudinally whereas this bullet did not. Therefore, this in fact PROVES that CE 399 is impossible because it should be more deformed than this test bullet.

- this bullet went through JFK's chest but CE 399 did NOT. The SBT is not just about the condition of the bullet, but the trajectory as well (and that two people were hit by the same shot). If the alleged trajectory doesn't work, then you have no SBT. No SBT means two shooters and a murder conspiracy.

(I know DVP btw - he's a nice guy with great historical pics and videos of JFK but alas, a stubborn lone nutter).
Based on my knowledge of physics I completely disagree with your claim that the trajectory is impossible. The composition of a human is quite varied and the smallest of differences will yield different results. A real simple analogy is trying to replicate a shot on angry birds. The program has absolutely no randomness but the results will still produce some shots that seem impossible.

Maybe you have sources that say different but the doc sure made a good case that that the trajectory was closely replicated.


It might not seem like it but I have no issue with you being passionate about there being a conspiracy behind JFK. I hope you are okay with me finding the conclusions of conspiracy irrational and unsupported (not that irrational is a bad thing).
 

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Please do because you've been yammering on for pages.

As far as I recall you were asking something about my statement on overturning convictions which I fully clarified long ago.
Your recollection is awful.
What have I been yammering on about?
 

GPIDEAL

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Based on my knowledge of physics I completely disagree with your claim that the trajectory is impossible. The composition of a human is quite varied and the smallest of differences will yield different results. A real simple analogy is trying to replicate a shot on angry birds. The program has absolutely no randomness but the results will still produce some shots that seem impossible.

Maybe you have sources that say different but the doc sure made a good case that that the trajectory was closely replicated.


It might not seem like it but I have no issue with you being passionate about there being a conspiracy behind JFK. I hope you are okay with me finding the conclusions of conspiracy irrational and unsupported (not that irrational is a bad thing).

Basket, let me be more clear. The issue is NOT that a trajectory is possible between any two persons, but the purported trajectory for Kennedy and Connally. It simply does not work because the position of the targets and their wounds do NOT align.

Moreover, in THIS documentary, the trajectory does not work because the wounds described by the Warren Commission (WC) or the Bethesda autopsists are inconsistent with that in this documentary. Which is another way of saying that they did not replicate the SBT as alleged by the WC.

Here is an excellent critique by a researcher on his annotated screen capture of that documentary (in his earlier military days, Don R. served on the U.S.S. John F. Kennedy Carrier Vessel).



Also and with respect to physics, you don't have to be a physicist to know that the backward movement of JFK after the kill shot, let alone the piece of his head blown to the limo's trunk, cannot be caused by a shot from the rear.
 

GPIDEAL

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I still love the "Rush To Judgement" film Mark Lane made.
It's like a time capsule, you get a feel for the people and the times, it's so visceral.
It's amazing to watch the series of events after Oswald was picked up, and how the police handled it.
The dereliction of due process and justice is so egregious, it's truly unbelievable. By the standards we've come to accept, this would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
Mark Lane's interview are certainly interesting and inject doubt into the official version. He's also written a few other books besides his best seller Rush To Judgment which generally point the finger at the CIA for the cover-up and the assassination (not necessarily by the entire organization but rogue cells, although the cover-up may have been encouraged by top brass to cover their ass, if they aren't accessories after-the-fact).

You should watch this entire video.

You will see the excellent remarks by Dr. Cyril Wecht (notable forensic pathologist) and Dr. Joseph Dolce (he was the Chief Wounds Ballistic consultant for the Army), who refute the single bullet theory.

The guy with the suspenders who looks like a farmer (he retired to his farm), is the dean of assassination researchers, the late Harold Weisberg. He was a investigator for the U.S. Senate, and amassed thousands of documents which he kept on file at his home. Ironically, lone-assassin advocate Gerald Posner, who wrote Case Closed, used Weisberg's extensive files for his own book. When Posner's book came out, Weisberg was not amused. He rebutted with a book entitled Case Open.
 
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