Airshow Trauma

nobody123

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They need to fix themselves, not demanding other people to cater for them.

Assimilate or leave.
Jesus fucking Christ. NO Syrian refugees are making demands. Some fucking guy writes an article suggesting that maybe, perhaps, we could consider that these people might just be traumatized by the unimaginable horrors they lived through and all you motherfuckers can do is rail on with some jingoistic "love it or leave it" bullshit. You have ZERO fucking human empathy. Fuck all y'all.
 

italianguy74

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White privilege? I had no idea that only white people were allowed to do watch the air show.
This is news to me, and the nail in the coffin as to why refugees would have a problem with it....They feel left out, therefore of course they are "affraid" of the sound of a jet engine.
 

oil&gas

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Did the refugees ever petition for the airshow
to be banned? There is no evidence that they have
filed any formal complaint about any trauma caused
by the event. Some of the remarks in this thread make
me thankful I never encountered a "assimilate or leave"
reception from the locals in my days as a newly arrived
immigrant.

I am not a fan of Trudeau's refugee program.
I was not particularly fond of his empathy with
gays, feminists and the aboriginal people--I used
to think it is all politics. But I am beginning to
be appreciative of his personality. This is a free
society which means people have the freedom to
be bigoted and hateful. To fight bigotry and hatefulness
out leader has the duty to set a moral standard in
the public. It is good we have such a leader.
 

LisbethNova

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Only thing I'll say about this is that I do have compassion for these refugees. The air show is an amazing tradition but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have empathy for these people and their experiences. They didn't ask for their past circumstance but at least those in Canada are safer. But that doesn't mean we should ridicule what is often seen as a trigger warning.

PTSD in any shape or form is not a joking matter nor something that should be taken lightly. These trigger warnings are no different than some of the ones veterans suffer from. Some of the comments on this thread are disheartening to say the least and no different than hearing racist bigots telling ethnic western citizens to "go back to their country". We all know how ignorant those people sound. An article about a different and real perspective shouldn't be something to scoff at.

Have some decency gentlemen.
I have to agree with Chloe on this one. I was actually at the CNE yesterday and I found it terrifying! Can't say I am much of an airshow fan... I could think of a million other more entertaining things to do than an airshow.
 

Spacealien2

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I have to agree with Chloe on this one. I was actually at the CNE yesterday and I found it terrifying! Can't say I am much of an airshow fan... I could think of a million other more entertaining things to do than an airshow.
To each their own. I was in one in San Francisco and it was amazing.
 

Frankfooter

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I have to agree with Chloe on this one. I was actually at the CNE yesterday and I found it terrifying! Can't say I am much of an airshow fan... I could think of a million other more entertaining things to do than an airshow.
The airshow and the Indy are the loudest events in the city during the summer.
I'd be happy if both disappeared, but some people still like them enough.
I'm willing to tolerate them and remind others who don't tolerate things like Pride that you take the good with the bad in a big city.
 

hamermill

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PTSD - really sick of hearing that.

You choose to enlist - what did you think would happen when you join an armed forces. Lounge around drinking in a pub. Canada partakes in many peace keeping mission in countries where there is armed conflict. Armed conflict is where you might get shot at, be close to people dying or being bombed.

PTSD for what else - being a police officer holy Batman God forbid you might go to a scenes where someone is going to shoot at you during a drug encounter or egads during a crime.

PTSD ambulance attendants - you are going to have to respond to accident scenes where there will be blood or the carnage of some moron drunk driver.

TTC riders stop your whining about it being hot - for one token you can go from Warden to Kipling. Try to drive that distance on a token's worth of gas. In Europe it would cost you way more to travel that distance - you might be in another country.

Oh you don't like air show you are now living in a free country. Move the f away. Go live in a cave.

Im F ing sick of people imposing on my humans rights.

No sympathy here.

So ends my Labour Day rant.
 

basketcase

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Hey, I'm actually seeing a psychologist for anxiety problems and I was actually told to expose myself as well.. She just told me to deal with it (just in a nice, professional way).

Looks like the same for PTSD people.
You are aware that anxiety and PTSD aren't the same thing right?
 

explorerzip

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TTC riders stop your whining about it being hot - for one token you can go from Warden to Kipling. Try to drive that distance on a token's worth of gas. In Europe it would cost you way more to travel that distance - you might be in another country.
Clearly, you haven't ridden on a packed train at rush hour without a/c. You can't exactly open a window on the subway.
 

italianguy74

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It amazes me how many lefties are instantly willing to jump on the bandwagon if it is about something that opposes western culture.

So when can we expect to ground all flights at the airport so elderly Vietnamese people don't mistaken a cargo plane for a B-52 coming to carpet bomb their neighborhood?
 

yeahyeahyeah

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She told you to just deal with it? Well if that works for you, Godspeed.

No it's not the same for PTSD people. You can't really link them all in the same category. A military veteran suffering from PTSD processes their anxiety completely differently than a kidnapping/torture victim or say someone who was involved in an car accident.

You can't tell a victim of torture to just "deal" with it.

I was a clinical research assistant this summer and dealing with victims of PTSD was a large part of my work. Let me tell you, people definitely heal differently. Circumstances are merely a part of the equation.
I'm afraid you're missing a rather large point: There is PTSD in almost every dominion of public life. As a society we measure things in numbers and proportion. I am daily suffering from PTSD from all the idiots on Harleys who destroy every shred of sanity on a daily basis, but I'm not compensated with an eradication of Harleys (sadly). This article is a moronic piece not in that it attempts to give dignity and recognition to the trauma of refugees, but that it speaks of getting rid of a rather innocuous piece of zigzag'ing aircraft display as said recognition.

Um no. The very fact of living in a peaceful city where you don't have open violence from every direction is pretty much the best way to avoiding "triggering" (what a fucking word that is. Adjust your diapers, kids, you will never reach adulthood) refugees. I'm sure they will survive one day of silly airshow aeronautics.

I have tremendous sympathy for refugees and their "PTSD" (or what a normal person just might call "trauma"). My sympathy means my tax dollars go to giving them a better life in a peaceful city. All the rest of that article is moronic drivel. It's typical Liberal overreach, and it has all the reek of campus identity politics gone mad.
 

Spacealien2

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I'm afraid you're missing a rather large point: There is PTSD in almost every dominion of public life. As a society we measure things in numbers and proportion. I am daily suffering from PTSD from all the idiots on Harleys who destroy every shred of sanity on a daily basis, but I'm not compensated with an eradication of Harleys (sadly). This article is a moronic piece not in that it attempts to give dignity and recognition to the trauma of refugees, but that it speaks of getting rid of a rather innocuous piece of zigzag'ing aircraft display as said recognition.

Um no. The very fact of living in a peaceful city where you don't have open violence from every direction is pretty much the best way to avoiding "triggering" (what a fucking word that is. Adjust your diapers, kids, you will never reach adulthood) refugees. I'm sure they will survive one day of silly airshow aeronautics.

I have tremendous sympathy for refugees and their "PTSD" (or what a normal person just might call "trauma"). My sympathy means my tax dollars go to giving them a better life in a peaceful city. All the rest of that article is moronic drivel. It's typical Liberal overreach, and it has all the reek of campus identity politics gone mad.
The author of the article is a cunt. He's trying to get people lose their jobs who have different opinions. https://twitter.com/CraigDamian/status/772144347298922496
 

johnwesleyharding

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My guess is somewhere between 5-20% of refugees suffer from PSTD.

Interestingly enough ,more than two thirds of escorts surveyed suffered from more severe PTSD than combat vets from Vietnam ( 20-30%) in contrast, the condition is found in less than 5 percent of the general population.


"Using a severity scale developed by scientists who study post-traumatic stress in the military, Dr. Farley's team found that the prostitutes averaged a slightly more severe form of the disease than even Vietnam veterans seeking treatment for the condition."


http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/18/science/many-prostitutes-suffer-combat-disorder-study-finds.html
 

Chloë.

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I'm afraid you're missing a rather large point: There is PTSD in almost every dominion of public life. As a society we measure things in numbers and proportion. I am daily suffering from PTSD from all the idiots on Harleys who destroy every shred of sanity on a daily basis, but I'm not compensated with an eradication of Harleys (sadly). This article is a moronic piece not in that it attempts to give dignity and recognition to the trauma of refugees, but that it speaks of getting rid of a rather innocuous piece of zigzag'ing aircraft display as said recognition.

Um no. The very fact of living in a peaceful city where you don't have open violence from every direction is pretty much the best way to avoiding "triggering" (what a fucking word that is. Adjust your diapers, kids, you will never reach adulthood) refugees. I'm sure they will survive one day of silly airshow aeronautics.

I have tremendous sympathy for refugees and their "PTSD" (or what a normal person just might call "trauma"). My sympathy means my tax dollars go to giving them a better life in a peaceful city. All the rest of that article is moronic drivel. It's typical Liberal overreach, and it has all the reek of campus identity politics gone mad.
While we do measure things in terms of numbers and proportion, there's something to be said for dealing with issues in excess. That's the main issue of acute stress disorder. There is such thing as a healthy amount which can contribute to overall productivity, but as we all know, copious amounts of the same thing is detrimental to your health. Same deal here.

I'm not even for the entire article itself but it does open my eyes to how someone else may interpret the celebration. Why is that so terrible? I personally like the air show, but I empathize with those who may not enjoy it due to the negative conditioning they've been subject to. My heart goes out to them. I'm just annoyed by the blatant bigotry of some of the comments here surrounding refugees as a whole. It's one thing to say that someone should attempt to embrace their new surroundings and something completely different to state that they should assimilate or leave.
 
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