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Three Dallas police officers deceased along with seven wounded tonight during protest

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.... BUT its SOOOO Much easier just to kill a black man. ...
Yep. If a white guy killed multiple cops and was holed up while heavily armed the police would have just walked in and calmly asked him to come out. :sarcasm if you didn't get it:

When you know the guy wants to kill cops why would you send any more cops into harms way?
 

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You mean a parking garage? What if there were no glass windows to permit entry of stun grenades or tear gas canisters?

When you're surrounded by a SWAT team after killing cops with an assault rifle, and you don't surrender but display a "come and get me pig" attitude, you're seeking a death wish. It seems like he was from his past behaviour.
Well there were even still the cops had the robot for camera views and knew where the guy was, it would have been easy and pretty safe to get to a safe area and rain tear gas and stun grenades on him. Like I said SWAT teams are trained to deal with situations like this. If they are not going to do their jobs when there is danger then we do not need SWAT teams.
 

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Four off-duty Minneapolis police officers working the Minnesota Lynx game at Target Center Saturday night walked off the job after the players held a news conference denouncing racial profiling, then wore Black Lives Matter pregame warm-up jerseys.

Lt. Bob Kroll, president of the Minneapolis Police Federation, the union that represents rank-and-file officers, praised them for quitting. “I commend them for it,” he said.

Kroll said the four officers also removed themselves from a list of officers working future games. He did not know who the officers were. “Others said they heard about it and they were not going to work Lynx games,” he said.

Asked if other officers will fill in for those who quit, Kroll said, “If (the players) are going to keep their stance, all officers may refuse to work there.”

The black shirts worn by the three-time W read, “Change starts with us, justice and accountability” and the names of Philando Castille and Alton Sterling on the back along with “Black Lives Matter.”

A St. Anthony police officer killed Castile in Falcon Heights and Sterling in Baton Rouge, setting off protests here and nationwide.

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Thats fine, just get private security to replace them. If they refuse to respond to an emergency they are history.
 

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You missed the point, or just dismissed the point.
Segregation is still a major issue in the US and accounts for why most crimes are committed by folks who are the same colour as their victims.
Because they live in the same community.

Check this map:
http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html
I dont get the logic then of blaming white cops?
I wont get into the "segregation is still a major problem" as this is a complex socio-economic issue.
 

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Yep. If a white guy killed multiple cops and was holed up while heavily armed the police would have just walked in and calmly asked him to come out. :sarcasm if you didn't get it:

When you know the guy wants to kill cops why would you send any more cops into harms way?
Because that is THEIR JOB. What next you gonna be shocked that in war that each side wants to kill their other sides soldiers? The big part of this whole issue is the big fat yellow streak of cowardice that runs through North American police culture. The "shoot first ask questions later" approach. Now the entire investigation is hindered and more cops may die if this guy had accomplices they do not know about. Its sloppy, lazy and cowardly police work. If you want a safe job DON'T BE A COP. How hard is that to understand.
 

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Four off-duty Minneapolis police officers working the Minnesota Lynx game at Target Center Saturday night walked off the job after the players held a news conference denouncing racial profiling, then wore Black Lives Matter pregame warm-up jerseys.

Lt. Bob Kroll, president of the Minneapolis Police Federation, the union that represents rank-and-file officers, praised them for quitting. “I commend them for it,” he said.

Kroll said the four officers also removed themselves from a list of officers working future games. He did not know who the officers were. “Others said they heard about it and they were not going to work Lynx games,” he said.

Asked if other officers will fill in for those who quit, Kroll said, “If (the players) are going to keep their stance, all officers may refuse to work there.”

The black shirts worn by the three-time W read, “Change starts with us, justice and accountability” and the names of Philando Castille and Alton Sterling on the back along with “Black Lives Matter.”

A St. Anthony police officer killed Castile in Falcon Heights and Sterling in Baton Rouge, setting off protests here and nationwide.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/282924-...out-over-player-comments-blm-warm-up-jerseys/
Those cops are assholes. The shirts were balanced and fair acknowledging the dallas cops and the two black men.

But here is the missing narrative.

Those women were trying to raise awareness and taking a stand in a peaceful way.

One of the women is a multiple time mvp on a championship team. Problem is most people wouldn't know any of that.

When is kobe or LeBron going to use his celebrity and wealth for good?

People missed the example that ali tried to make as a pro athlete..

It is up to people like jay z, Russell Simmons, chris rock, Michel Jordan to do more for black people.
 

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Those cops are assholes. The shirts were balanced and fair acknowledging the dallas cops and the two black men.

But here is the missing narrative.

Those women were trying to raise awareness and taking a stand in a peaceful way.

One of the women is a multiple time mvp on a championship team. Problem is most people wouldn't know any of that.
Why does it matter that she's an MVP on a championship team? What you call raising awareness can easily be interpreted as taking sides since the shirts contain "Black Lives Matter" which is a phrase that is being hijacked by or associated with some radicals.

When is kobe or LeBron going to use his celebrity and wealth for good?
I think Lebron and teammates made a statement by wearing hoodies after the Trayvon Martin incident.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lebron and Kobe both donate to charity and take part in fundraisers. What should they be doing according to you?


People missed the example that ali tried to make as a pro athlete..

It is up to people like jay z, Russell Simmons, chris rock, Michel Jordan to do more for black people.
What was the example that Ali tried to make? What do you want Jay Z et al to do?
 

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You're right, police should withdraw from black communities and let gangs handle justice.

That will surely bring down crime.
 

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Those cops are assholes. The shirts were balanced and fair acknowledging the dallas cops and the two black men.

It is up to people like jay z, Russell Simmons, chris rock, Michel Jordan to do more for black people.
Chris Rock has many thoughts on the struggles of black people. If you listen to some of what he has to say, you might start calling him an asshole as well.
 

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Black Lives Matter terrorists blocked off a bridge and prevented a suffering child from traveling to the hospital so they could hold up some protest signs while browsing the internet on their cell phones.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55161
 

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...because having competent police who don't shoot harmless black guys for selling CDs or for not having their driver's licence on them is mutually exclusive from having competent police who know how to solve basic crimes like burglaries and murders. right.

because having better communication between dispatch and police in the field so that cops don't end up killing 12-year-old boys toting toy guns (which both 911 caller and dispatch suspected of being a toy) after two seconds of surveying the scene will totally destroy all progress made towards good police work when it comes to investigating rapes and drug trafficking.

because "tough" policing has ever brought crime rates down, ever. no. it's community policing that has brought crime rates down. it's the economy doing well that brings down crime rates. it's better social welfare programs. it's harm reduction programs. it's even the legalization and accessibility of abortion, so criminals-to-be aren't bred to begin with. it has never been tough on crime approaches. the only people who support tough on crime approaches are delusional politicians looking for a cheap way to make an empty statement. oh, and ignorant, yabbering members of the public who actually don't know anything about crime stats and what drives them.

#logic #youdon'tknowhow
Its the answer that the right wing doesn't want to hear.
They want to fix all problems with more 'security' and guns.
 

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The people of El Paso, Texas flooded City Hall Tuesday morning to support their Chief of Police, Greg Allen, who came under fire by local officials after he called Black Lives Matter a “radical hate group.” Allen’s comments followed last Thursday night’s massacre of Dallas police that left five officers dead and nine others wounded.
The officers were killed while defending protestors who peacefully protested against police. While the protestors were not blamed for the shooting committed by Micah X. Johnson, Allen voiced his feelings about the how Black Lives Matter stirred up hatred for law enforcement.

“Black Lives Matter, as far as I’m concerned, is a radical hate group,” Allen said after a press conference Friday to local reporters. “For that purpose alone I think the leadership of this country needs to look a little bit harder at that particular group. The consequences of what we saw in Dallas is due to their efforts.”

On Tuesday, July 12, El Paso Police Union officials announced Allen, the city’s black police chief, received death threats over his comment.


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016...lling-blm-radical-hate-group-citizens-defend/
 

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Post-Modern Patty Rollers: Baton Rouge, Falcon Heights, Dallas

by Linda Burnham

A thick strand in the history of U.S. policing is rooted back in the slave patrols of the 19th century. Patty rollers were authorized to stop, question, search, harass and summarily punish any Black person they encountered. The five- and six-pointed badges many of them wore to symbolize their authority were predecessors to those of today’s sheriffs and patrolmen. They regularly entered the plantation living quarters of enslaved people, leaving terror and grief in their wake. Together with the hunters of runaways, these patrols had a crystal clear mandate: to constrain the enslaved population to its role as the embodiment and producer of massive wealth for whites and to forestall the possibility that labor subordinated to the lash might rebel at the cost of white lives.

How far have we come, really? Having extricated ourselves from a system of bottomless and blatant cruelty we have evolved a system that depends on the patty rollers of today to constrain and contain a population that, while no longer enslaved, is ruthlessly exploited, criminally neglected and justifiably aggrieved. Ruthlessly exploited by the low-wage industries that depend on ample supplies of cheap labor, by the bottom feeders of capital – pay-day loan companies and slumlords come to mind –** by the incarceration-for-profit industry, by the municipalities that meet their budgets by preying on poor people, generating revenue by way of broken taillights, lapsed vehicle registrations and failures to signal.

Criminally neglected by policy makers – 152 years’ worth and counting – at every level of government. And so our education policy appears to be: starve the public system until it collapses and to hell with the children whose parents have no alternative. Housing policy stubbornly stacked against the development and maintenance of low-income housing. Jobs policy that, against an ideological backdrop that touts personal fulfillment and prosperity through honest effort, reduces grown men to selling loosies and cd’s on street corners to provide for their families.

Justifiably aggrieved because we still must assert, against the relentless accumulation of evidence to the contrary, that Black lives matter.

And all this on top of the foundational failure to financially repair or compensate the formerly enslaved or their descendants.

So today’s patty rollers are expected to contain any overflow of bitterness and anger on the part of the exploited, neglected and aggrieved, maintaining order in a fundamentally – and racially – disordered system. Their mandate is as clear as that of their forefathers: to constrain a population whose designated role is to absorb absurdly high rates of unemployment and make itself available for low-wage, low-status work without complaint, much less rebellion. Those who fear a spiraling descent into disorder, know this: we are merely witnessing the periodic, explosive surfacing of entrenched disorders we have refused to face or fix.

Our narratives and debates about good cops and rogue cops, better training and community policing are important but entirely insufficient. No doubt the patty rollers of the 1850s could have been trained to reign in their brutality. Given the gloriously diverse dispositions of our human family, patrollers likely ranged from the breathtakingly cruel to the queasily reluctant enforcers of patent injustice. All that is, at bottom, beside the point. Whether cruel or kind, restrained or rogue, their job was to police – and by policing, maintain – a barbaric system.

Today’s police can be better trained to recognize implicit bias, to dial back on aggression and deescalate tense encounters. All to the good, as far as it goes. But none of it changes their core mandate in poor Black communities: to control and contain, by any means necessary, a population that has every reason to be restive and rebellious.

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“Was he colored?” That’s what my grandmother would say whenever she heard news about a criminal act. She knew that if the alleged perpetrator were “colored” his criminality would be read not simply as the act of an individual, but as an expression of an ingrained racial tendency. Somehow being Black meant that the actions of every random thief, rapist or murderer who was also Black redounded to you and your people. I imagine most Black families had a version of “Was he colored?” And I wouldn’t be surprised if Muslim American families have an equivalent expression today. Untying the knot of individual culpability and the consequences of racial belonging is nowhere near as straightforward as it might seem.

I was on a dance floor on Thursday night, desperately trying to shake off the news from Baton Rouge and Falcon Heights. My phone was in my back pocket and, like an idiot, when it buzzed with an incoming text, I left the dance floor and stepped outside to the news from Dallas. Though the action was still unfolding, I immediately surmised that the shooter was “colored,” and that he had been trained by the U.S. military.

It has fallen to President Obama, time and again, to make sense out of the incomprehensible and bind the wounds of a nation apparently bent on self-destruction. In the aftermath of Dallas, Obama quickly condemned the despicable violence of a demented, troubled individual. The president’s intent was clear and laudable. He sought to defuse tensions by definitively asserting that the shooter’s action was not associated with a political movement or a particular organization, that his murderous deeds should in no way be linked to African Americans in general. He struggled to shift the focus from “Was he colored?” to “Clearly he was crazy, right?”

But before boxing Micah Johnson up and setting him aside as deranged and demented it’s worth asking a few questions. Honestly, good people, did anybody in their right mind – that is, not troubled or demented – think that the police could continue to pick off Black people at will and on camera without producing a Micah Johnson? And is troubled and demented shorthand for “traumatized by repeated exposure to the graphic depiction of the murder of people who look just like me?” Or for “agonized by the fact that the officers of the law who placed a handcuffed man in the back of a van and snapped his spine in an intentionally “rough ride” were neither held criminally accountable nor labeled troubled and demented?” Or for “depressed beyond imagining and haunted by the ghosts of the men and women whose lives were snatched by the side of the road, down back alleyways, and in precinct stations from one end of the country to the other before the era of cell phone video?” Or for “pierced through the heart by the voice of four-year-old Dae’Anna, comforting her mama?” Because if demented and troubled is shorthand for any of that, then Micah Johnson may have been a lone gunman, but he is far from alone.

That whoosh you heard on Friday morning was the sound of people rushing to condemn the Dallas shootings, or to extract condemnations from others. There is, of course, no moral justification for gunning down police officers. And, retaliatory violence aimed at the armed representatives of the state, beyond being a suicidal provocation, also shuts down all avenues for advancing the cause of racial justice. But there is a lot of room for reflection between the cheap polarities of condemn or condone.

So here we are, once again, with calls from all quarters for dialogue across the racial divide. But if the long years before the emergence of the various movements for Black lives have taught us anything, it is this: our purported partners in dialogue simply turn their backs and leave the table as soon as the pressure is off. This moment calls for the vigorous defense of our right to continued protest and the intensification and elaboration of multiple movements for Black lives – for the sake of our ancestors and the generations to come. And for the sake of this country that is our home.
 

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Why didn't all these problems manifested themselves from 1865-1970? before the start of the welfare state which mandates that a man should not be in the home that is getting welfare?

1% of White Americans owned slaves and 28-30% of free blacks owned slaves during slavery. the first recorded slave
owner in the U.S.A was a black man





http://fox59.com/2016/07/12/police-man-fires-more-than-a-dozen-shots-into-home-car-of-impd-officer/

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind.-- March Eugene Ratney, according to Department of Correction records, wasn’t due to be released from prison until this past June 6 after serving half of a 12-year sentence following his conviction as a serious violent felon with a weapon. Ten days later, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department (IMPD) officers were called to an east side address where Ratney’s sister said he had pulled a gun and threatened to kill her.

Investigators now report, and neighbors confirmed, Ratney, on parole, was the man clad in a Black Lives Matter t-shirt and screaming profanities at police, who shot up an IMPD officer’s house not far from his own home early this morning.

The officer and his family were uninjured.
 

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This thread is an example of why Canadian society and the Board are so great. It demonstrates how we can debate/discuss/argue a highly sensitive subject openly and honestly without anyone being accused of being a racist/bigot/Islamophobe/homophobe/sexist, personal attacks, insults, etc.

"We are all brothers and sisters, all lives matter to the Great."

While I don't agree 110% with everything the police and our black citizens do and say, I wish them no harm as I hope they wish me no harm.
 

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...because having competent police who don't shoot harmless black guys for selling CDs or for not having their driver's licence on them is mutually exclusive from having competent police who know how to solve basic crimes like burglaries and murders. right.

because having better communication between dispatch and police in the field so that cops don't end up killing 12-year-old boys toting toy guns (which both 911 caller and dispatch suspected of being a toy) after two seconds of surveying the scene will totally destroy all progress made towards good police work when it comes to investigating rapes and drug trafficking.

because "tough" policing has ever brought crime rates down, ever. no. it's community policing that has brought crime rates down. it's the economy doing well that brings down crime rates. it's better social welfare programs. it's harm reduction programs. it's even the legalization and accessibility of abortion, so criminals-to-be aren't bred to begin with. it has never been tough on crime approaches. the only people who support tough on crime approaches are delusional politicians looking for a cheap way to make an empty statement. oh, and ignorant, yabbering members of the public who actually don't know anything about crime stats and what drives them.

#logic #youdon'tknowhow
Here's an idea, stop saying that these guys are being shot for the original offence and start realizing they are getting shot for attacking the police. The initial infraction can be minor but the actions after are what dictate what the police will do.
 

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Here's an idea, stop saying that these guys are being shot for the original offence and start realizing they are getting shot for attacking the police.
Saying they got shot for attacking the police doesn't have the same media "star power" as saying one was shot for selling CD's and the other was shot for a broken taillight.

BTW: Since when is a protest "peaceful" when the protesters are urging people to murder cops and/or white people?
 
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