Do you have a Ph.D in human sexuality? Do you also have a Nobel Prize in Medical Science? The great Alan Turing was incredibly gifted and has been credited with ending WWII vs. Nazi Germany, but by your 'deductive reasoning', he had a psychological disorder. We used to call such persons, mentally retarded, and yet, that doesn't seem to be a fair label here? Maybe it's more complicated than you say? Maybe you oversimplify because you're ignorant?
Gender neutral driver licences and health cards for Ontairio
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Do you have a Ph.D in human sexuality? Do you also have a Nobel Prize in Medical Science? The great Alan Turing was incredibly gifted and has been credited with ending WWII vs. Nazi Germany, but by your 'deductive reasoning', he had a psychological disorder. We used to call such persons, mentally retarded, and yet, that doesn't seem to be a fair label here? Maybe it's more complicated than you say? Maybe you oversimplify because you're ignorant?
Well, in a hospital setting it is an important fact, whether someone is born male or female. From possible treatments to rooming assignments, the biological designation we are given and identified by is very significant. What isn't important or significant is how one identifies sexually, this is a personal preference, nothing more. So this gender neutral government ID, health card and licensing is a stupid idea. Let people identify as they please, but government ID should identify one as they are, biologically speaking, not what they identify as.
Not analogous and illogical. Sorry.
Age is not an externally derived identifier.
Discrimination has nothing to do with someone's photo I.D.
Really? You mean, without that I.D. indicating 'M', a hospital won't know that a trans-gendered person has a penis?
So if someone lives and looks like a female, their I.D. should state male? Doesn't that cause confusion?
If one goes into emerg, they only know your sex from your government ID, same thing for any day surgery. Now, most people are easily identifiable biologically, but there are some that are not.
If you're a trauma patient, unless they look, they won't know. They'll know if they cut the clothes off of you though. But run of the mill, day surgeries and emerg visits, nobody would know.
It's easy to sit here and say that's a man and that's a woman, but there are some, by the way they dress and look, you could be fooled to think otherwise and that's what they are striving for.
For practical purposes, it may not be a big deal. But it apparently is a big deal for those who do not want to be labelled as an M when they are X, or who used to be M/F and are now F/M. It seems to be an issue of rights.
I really doubt that a hospital will strictly or only rely on the gender classification shown on your DL, especially in this day and age of LGBT civil rights, assuming it is relevant in the first place to any diagnosis or medical treatment.
If the patient is conscious, they can ask for further clarification. If the patient is unconscious, they will check themselves.
If a medical doctor is unable to ascertain the status of a persons genetalia, maybe he/she/X should go back to medical school.
This change in Ontario health and drivers cards has absolutely no impact on the medical profession. It gives people of Ontario the freedom to state what gender they prefer to be part of. Means nothing for the rest of us.
I would think that gender would be important information on an ID that gets you medical assistance.
Such as?
The only thing I can see that comes remotely close is a woman is pregnant might impact some emergency treatments. Of course the vast majority of women aren't pregnant and even if they are the EMT's first responsibility is stabilizing the mother for transport to hospital.
It's not that indicating gender or sex on an I.D. violates rights per se; it is NOT having a CHOICE that violates someone's rights.
So if I need stitches on my forehead, it is a pre-condition for treatment by the hospital to know my gender at birth?
Maybe I'll get a new license with an "X". It may come in handy when I try to get in to Curves for some exercise.
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The next step is to have age neutral cards by the same logic. Photographs could be used to discriminate according to race, so maybe cards issued with no picture?
The next step is to have age neutral cards by the same logic. Photographs could be used to discriminate according to race, so maybe cards issued with no picture?
My post was sarcastic but your post is non sequitur as you are defending unfortunate and tormented individuals. Rather than have any gender, why not let persons who do not want to be identified by gender to call themselves whatever they please on their government issued id?
So you are saying that having a choice to indicate gender or not indicate gender on a government issued ID is a RIGHT? If that is what you are saying, since when was this choice a right? It's a government ID. I mean at some point INDIVIDUALISM has to give way to rules and regulations for orderly conduct of a society. Sorry but liberalism sometimes goes too far. This is a case in point.
